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Lucy Light
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:00:00 -
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carebearing needs nerfing
i keep reading adapt or die in many other posts. meh. i'm adapting but that doesn't change the fact i like direction the game is taking. and no, you can't have my stuff coz i'm not going anywhere.
if you are a pvper, use this post to whine about your experience. or, on the contrary, use it to say how good pvping is nowadays.
if you are a empire war mongrel, if you are a low sec pirate, if you are a 0.0 pvper tell us what's your PVP experience and how it is evolving in your eyes.
add more points. but! don't debate other users experiences posts. that's just their experience. ask for clarification if necessary but don't criticise. please. this is not the post.
maybe some CSM will pick up this post and give some thought to the pvp cause
if you are a carebear, go and whine about your nerfed missioning raven somewhere else.
eve is not just about mining and ratting.
this is mine whine. again, it is mostly empire based as i "work" in empire most of my time. in my opinion it's getting way too easy to survive in empire and low sec:
frigates, cruisers, tranport are almost impossible to catch at any gate
catching anything else on the new large gates it's matter of luck more than anything
warp scrambler may disable a mwd, but only if you can get in range.. and on the new large gates? even an inty is hard pressed to reach the target before it warps
hics can hold a target until it returns the gate and jumps back
30 seconds aggression timer is too short before being allowed to redock. if a fleet commits outside a station and gets ganked.. let it burn
30 seconds aggression waiting time at the gate is way too long for the chaser
cloaks on no-cloacking ship should stop working after a certain amount of time and stay inactive for a certain amount of minutes. give a chance to the probers
probes needs some love when scanning ships. we want ship names, or ship pilots names
on board ship scanner is too fiddly.
it would be nice if we could use the ship system scanner to scan ships maybe within a few au and get warp points
if someone logs after being engaged, the ship should stay in space for at least 1 hour! they dont deserve to keep it!
you need at least a 5 man gang to be effective at the best of times
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I like to eat one nutella sandwich for breakfast |
Illwill Bill
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:08:00 -
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Posting to confirm that my sig quotes the truth. |
Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 16/11/2008 15:15:00
Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 16/11/2008 15:13:52
Fail thread is fail. Mostly because you can't stop carebears posting on your thread...
Wait, hang on. This is a QR whine in disguise. Nice try to troll, though. |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:14:00 -
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You forgot this:
[x]Locked. |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:17:00 -
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Mining veldspar is as easy as ever, I don't see the issue. |
Maud
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:21:00 -
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To be honest PVP has been on a downward slide eversince the lag issues started to dictate combat results.
the realy sad issue is that ccp didn't seem to take into account the demographics of forum posters/whineers making the majority of forum complaints.
The average PVPer keeps their client closely monitored or they die. Little or no time for forum posts.
However the Production/Mining player is bored senseless fighting even the most vicious asteroid into a can and has plenty of time to post on forums/make tea etc
And hence the Ill thought of nerf on all established players who PVP.
NB. I know the irony of me posting this but to be honest i don't seem to have the will to log in anymore.
for meat least this latest patch has sucked any fun remaining in EVE out of the game. |
Hana Lena
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Hana Lena on 16/11/2008 15:21:55
I beat some priats off me in a L4 the other day they sat there for an hour and a hafe nuting me ... I didn't notice. |
Lester Mako
Gallente
Mako Logistico
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:26:00 -
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Is that my tea kettle going off? Be right back... |
Lt Shard
Shoot To Thrill
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Lt Shard on 16/11/2008 15:31:59
Im going to actually yell you instead of being like the 1st 3 ^^^
Well, I PvP. Not lately. I have been ratting to get money and the wardeck Is full of alts and go after one person. Im never on then :|. So i Rat in 0.0 the corp is working on a better pvp experience down there.
Now For feed back
frigates, cruisers, tranport are almost impossible to catch at any gate
Frigs and cruisers can be caught. Its quite easy if you have an inty.
catching anything else on the new large gates it's matter of luck more than anything
The new gates are nice but there are none of them here so your problem :d
warp scrambler may disable a mwd, but only if you can get in range.. and on the new large gates? even an inty is hard pressed to reach the target before it warps
then use a disruptor.
30 seconds aggression timer is too short before being allowed to redock. if a fleet commits outside a station and gets ganked.. let it burn
The dock timer is fine.
30 seconds aggression waiting time at the gate is way too long for the chaser
The gate timer Is also fine dont shoot it till it jumps then. jump with it
probes needs some love when scanning ships. we want ship names, or ship pilots names
This is where cov ops is nice. THEY SCOUT. The ships. Warp to 100 
on board ship scanner is too fiddly.
I find the onboard scaner usefull.
it would be nice if we could use the ship system scanner to scan ships maybe within a few au and get warp points
Probes
if someone logs after being engaged, the ship should stay in space for at least 1 hour! they dont deserve to keep it!
Its 15 min You can find them still.
you need at least a 5 man gang to be effective at the best of times
No. |
arbiter reformed
Minmatar
Systematic Chaos.
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:32:00 -
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to be honest ive been enjoying qr changes for the most part. versatile fleets seem to be the name of the game untill the new cool arives.
that said ive not had much experience fighting in qr since everyone seems to have ****ed off
falcons are obviously gonna get nerfed soon, which is great they kill small roaming gangs (5 or less)
you cant reallyy solo in a bs anymore. atleast not as easily, not sure how i feel about this one personally but it sounds right, i like the idea of having well thought out wingmen..
must say tho i think the devs are looking closely at how things are going and will hopefully fill any gaps with t3?
would be nice to see some resurgance of some sort of nanoish ship aslong as you cant really hold your own with just blobbing with them
anyway ill think of more later |
von Mannstein
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:32:00 -
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In reply to the OP gatecamping is such a fundamental part of Eve that relevant and effective changes are likely to require a thorough reworking of many fundamental gameplay mechanics. It is therefore a question of extent, impact and priority. |
Cyber Blue
Gallente
Cyber Blue Consulting
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Lucy Light
eve is not just about mining and ratting.
Classic, how many times have I seen the pvp crowd shout, the game is only about pvp. Meaning, the pve crowd, etc. didn't matter. Everyone matters, however, thus CCP will continue to try and take care of everyone's playstyle as best they can. I applaud CCP for their efforts.
They are moving in the right direction, in my opinion.
My opinion, gate camping shouldn't be allowed at all except in 0.0 No Empire would allow their trade lanes to be closed down by pirates.
Anyways, I am willing to listen to everyone's side of the argument. I have yet to see anything that swayed my opinion. Not to mention, the arguments you put forth are silly and cater to only giving yourself the upper hand in every situation. Everything must be balanced between the predator and the prey in a game like this.
All I want is to get rid of local.  |
Lucy Light
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:51:00 -
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ok.. anybody else that can read instructions?
I like to eat one nutella sandwich for breakfast |
arbiter reformed
Minmatar
Systematic Chaos.
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: arbiter reformed on 16/11/2008 15:53:39
Originally by: Cyber Blue
Originally by: Lucy Light
eve is not just about mining and ratting.
Classic, how many times have I seen the pvp crowd shout, the game is only about pvp. Meaning, the pve crowd, etc. didn't matter. Everyone matters, however, thus CCP will continue to try and take care of everyone's playstyle as best they can. I applaud CCP for their efforts.
They are moving in the right direction, in my opinion.
My opinion, gate camping shouldn't be allowed at all except in 0.0 No Empire would allow their trade lanes to be closed down by pirates.
Anyways, I am willing to listen to everyone's side of the argument. I have yet to see anything that swayed my opinion. Not to mention, the arguments you put forth are silly and cater to only giving yourself the upper hand in every situation. Everything must be balanced between the predator and the prey in a game like this.
All I want is to get rid of local.
lowsec gatecamps arnt hard to bust, i think this game would be rather dull if everyone and there dyslexic gran could run through lowsec unscathed. (that said i think lowsec needs some help)
i hear alot of pve'ers say they dont go too 0.0 because of camps but in reality good 0.0 is as safe if not safer than highsec.. -yes really!-
as for local yes somthing needs to change but why would som1 like you want that, do you realise how easy i could kill you and you mission running friends with a delayed local even in highsec?
ps. dont you love my sig
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 16/11/2008 15:53:56
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ok.. anybody else that can read instructions?
Me! But you're nobody I care about, so I don't care!
You have an alt that runs missions, right? You're a carebear then, and you can't post on this thread. Which means that technically you cannot enforce those rules.
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arbiter reformed
Minmatar
Systematic Chaos.
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Penguin
Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 16/11/2008 15:53:56
Quote:
ok.. anybody else that can read instructions?
Me! But you're nobody I care about, so I don't care!
You have an alt that runs missions, right? You're a carebear then, and you can't post on this thread. Which means that technically you cannot enforce those rules.
can we keep some dignity here this thread has atleast some potential to be somthing better than most whine threads
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2008.11.16 15:58:00 -
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More and more non-consensual combat is removed from empire each expansion. Eve doesn't seem to be a harsh world anymore except in outlaw space.
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Cyber Blue
Gallente
Cyber Blue Consulting
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Posted - 2008.11.16 16:09:00 -
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as for local yes somthing needs to change but why would som1 like you want that, do you realise how easy i could kill you and you mission running friends with a delayed local even in highsec?
ps. dont you love my sig
What did I say that made me a mission runner? I don't recall being able to do even L3s. Anyways, the reason I would want local gone is because, my opinion, it would spice the game up for a lot of different playstyles.
I did not say I want people running through lowsec unscathed either.
Not to mention, I am not sure how easy you could kill me. It's possible fairly easy, however, maybe not.
Hmm, I can't see sigs, I must need to turn something on. 
End of line... |
Lucy Light
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Posted - 2008.11.16 16:15:00 -
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frigates, cruisers, tranport are almost impossible to catch at any gate
Frigs and cruisers can be caught. Its quite easy if you have an inty.
a sensor boosted inty for frigates. and then again, maybe. on top of that you still need to be able to kill them. so there you go. and to fit your sensor booster you just lost your? mwd? scram? web? you need your fleet support.
catching anything else on the new large gates it's matter of luck more than anything
The new gates are nice but there are none of them here so your problem :d
where's here? 0.0? i was talking about empire
warp scrambler may disable a mwd, but only if you can get in range.. and on the new large gates? even a mwding inty is hard pressed to reach the target before it warps
then use a disruptor.
ok. let's say i'm flying the typical interceptor. with 3 mids. typical setup is mwd, disr and web
i use a disruptor. which means their MWD will stay on. so i go in close to web them. case 1: my web is not as effective, and they mwd back to the gate and jump
case 2: in order to use my web i get into their webbing range. my inti goes pop
case 3: i stay out their webbing range (and mine) then they just get back to the gate and jump
let's change my mids: disr, scrambler, and web
maybe i should use a disruptor first.. then slow boat torwad them and put a web on. then a scrambler. and hey that's it. and hold on. im doing 500m/s without ab and mwd. what's stopping them from webbing me and killing my paper thin ship?
maybe i need some backup again
30 seconds aggression timer is too short before being allowed to redock. if a fleet commits outside a station and gets ganked.. let it burn
The dock timer is fine.
what can you kill in 30 secs? little? very little?
30 seconds aggression waiting time at the gate is way too long for the chaser
The gate timer Is also fine dont shoot it till it jumps then. jump with it
and if they warp away before jumping?
probes needs some love when scanning ships. we want ship names, or ship pilots names
This is where cov ops is nice. THEY SCOUT. The ships. Warp to 100
alts do this already. try scanning in busy systems like motsu or jita or amarr, or rens, or perimeter, or orvolle etc...
on board ship scanner is too fiddly.
I find the onboard scaner usefull.
and in that direction we have... a couple of ships. they are safed between a and b. going to call my alt prober. oh look.. been in system using my scanner for 10 minutes and they logged.
ill try again later
it would be nice if we could use the ship system scanner to scan ships maybe within a few au and get warp points
Probes
alts use them already. it would be nice if we could use the system scanner without the needs of probes, maybe to a lesser extent
if someone logs after being engaged, the ship should stay in space for at least 1 hour! they dont deserve to keep it!
Its 15 min You can find them still.
i know. i would like one hour thou
you need at least a 5 man gang to be effective at the best of times
No.
sorry mate. you can kill something solo. but chances are you will need your mates to help
and again. i'm just listing a number of points that make my game frustrating. and this is what this point is supposed to be.
I like to eat one nutella sandwich for breakfast |
Mr shifta
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Posted - 2008.11.16 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lucy Light
carebearing needs nerfing
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if you are a carebear, go and whine about your nerfed missioning raven somewhere else.
eve is not just about mining and ratting.
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eve isnt JUST about pvping either kinda negates your whole whine.....
nerf pvp'ers whining about carebears whining about pvp'ers
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Lucy Light
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Posted - 2008.11.16 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cyber Blue
All I want is to get rid of local.
i would like local to provide warp in points
I like to eat one nutella sandwich for breakfast |
Lucy Light
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Posted - 2008.11.16 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Lucy Light on 16/11/2008 16:18:13
Originally by: Mr shifta
Originally by: Lucy Light
carebearing needs nerfing
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if you are a carebear, go and whine about your nerfed missioning raven somewhere else.
eve is not just about mining and ratting.
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eve isnt JUST about pvping either kinda negates your whole whine.....
nerf pvp'ers whining about carebears whining about pvp'ers
i know eve isn't just about pvping. i just think the game is just becoming too forgiving |
Josef Odinssen
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Posted - 2008.11.16 16:22:00 -
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Carebearing needs nerfing????
WTF???
which part of SANDBOX does you not understand???
its like this:
peoples give CCP money.
Peoples does what the hell they wants, everyone who pays their money has a equal right to do exactly what they want with the game.
Whats REALLY wrong with Eve is CCP listening to people who spend too much time trolling forums desperate to enforce their playstyle/will/misdirection on the rest of the playing community who rather play than post.
Imagine if Grand Theft Auto had been designed by forum troll committee instead of a bunch of talented game designers.
i don't like way my neighbour cuts his lawn, should i be allowed to nerf his lawnmower to cut a way he likes it or should i simply respect the fact that we live in the same street and its his focking grass and hes free to cut it any way he chooses.
the PVP/carebear thing is getting very tired. Last time I checked the vision of Eve was for a complex and diverse universe based on society not a shoot-em-up for enraged teenagers to pew pew 24/7, if you aren't getting enough combat your PS3 -> that way.
Im not a carebear but how i want to play != how you want to play or any of the other paying subscribers.
and if you honestly want to make a constructive post about PVP - dont start it with troll statement "carebearing needs nerfing".
you either
A: want to make a constructive post about PVP
B: want to go on the usual "oh noes carebears!" rant
decide and edit.
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Neth'Rae
Gallente
Decorum Inc
Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.16 16:22:00 -
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Trying to make people follow your rules in the thread = FAIL..
And I'm a carebear, hi!  |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.16 16:23:00 -
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I'm an empire market PvPer, and I agree PVE-ers need a serious nerf 
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Furb Killer
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.16 16:23:00 -
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I still wonder how the wirates got this idea that mainly carebears whine. Okay we now had the raven whines but they arent nearly as bad as all the whirate whines we get lately.
Busting low sec gatecamps? They all run the station as soon as something comes close to them that has equal or more firepower.
High sec 'pvp' = usually suicide ganking, wardeccing miners = riskfree pvp, and deserves to be nerfed. |
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.11.16 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lucy Light
carebearing needs nerfing
i keep reading adapt or die in many other posts. meh. i'm adapting but that doesn't change the fact i like direction the game is taking. and no, you can't have my stuff coz i'm not going anywhere.
if you are a pvper, use this post to whine about your experience. or, on the contrary, use it to say how good pvping is nowadays.
Let's start here. You lose just about ALL credibility by posting that first statement (as well as in the title). What it says is that you don't want people who would inherently disagree with your statements posting here. "Only post if your bias is the same as mine."
Originally by: Lucy Light
if you are a empire war mongrel, if you are a low sec pirate, if you are a 0.0 pvper tell us what's your PVP experience and how it is evolving in your eyes.
add more points. but! don't debate other users experiences posts. that's just their experience. ask for clarification if necessary but don't criticise. please. this is not the post.
"Fill this post with replies that agree with my own, but don't you dare actually try to refute any of them with logic."
Originally by: Lucy Light
maybe some CSM will pick up this post and give some thought to the pvp cause
if you are a carebear, go and whine about your nerfed missioning raven somewhere else.
eve is not just about mining and ratting.
It's also not just about pvp. CCP implemented both of these things into their game for a reason, and expansion after expansion we see more missions being added in. Honestly I'd be all for making eve more pvp based then it currently is (especially after that ridiculous concord buff), but whiny posts like these don't accomplish anything. Also, a lot of PVEers took a big hit a few days ago because of the missile nerf. (My domi is still teh sex though  )
Originally by: Lucy Light
this is mine whine. again, it is mostly empire based as i "work" in empire most of my time. in my opinion it's getting way too easy to survive in empire and low sec:
Empire? sure. Lowsec? Nah. It's easy to find stuff to kill if you float around lowsec for a bit. Ratters/mission runners/miners are easy to catch, stop trying to shut down gates and actually go looking for something to kill.
Originally by: Lucy Light
frigates, cruisers, tranport are almost impossible to catch at any gate
catching anything else on the new large gates it's matter of luck more than anything
warp scrambler may disable a mwd, but only if you can get in range.. and on the new large gates? even an inty is hard pressed to reach the target before it warps
hics can hold a target until it returns the gate and jumps back
See my last point.
Originally by: Lucy Light
30 seconds aggression timer is too short before being allowed to redock. if a fleet commits outside a station and gets ganked.. let it burn
30 seconds aggression waiting time at the gate is way too long for the chaser
I was under the impression that it was a 1 minute timer on stations and gates.
Originally by: Lucy Light
cloaks on no-cloacking ship should stop working after a certain amount of time and stay inactive for a certain amount of minutes. give a chance to the probers
probes needs some love when scanning ships. we want ship names, or ship pilots names
on board ship scanner is too fiddly.
it would be nice if we could use the ship system scanner to scan ships maybe within a few au and get warp points
you've got to be kidding... Just how easy do you want to make this? I do agree about the cloaking thing though, SS+cloak needs a counter, but you're asking CCP to just hand you kills with that other stuff.
Originally by: Lucy Light
if someone logs after being engaged,the ship should stay in space for at least 1 hour! they dont deserve to keep it!
I'd rather know that a DC/CTD won't kill me kthnx
Originally by: Lucy Light
you need at least a 5 man gang to be effective at the best of times
EVE-Online, putting the M in MMORPG :P |
Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.11.16 16:31:00 -
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I am a PvPer and I fight other PvPers. When you have two parties that want to fight then all the issues you raised are kinda meaningless.
When you define PvP as ganking PvEers then I can see why you have issues. CCP changed the onus on the PvEr having to go out of their way to survive to the PvPer having to go out of their way to counter survivability factors.
There is nothing wrong with the current setup. It should be difficult to kill someone who wants to avoid a fight and it should be extremely difficult to gank people solo. |
xhardxcorex
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Posted - 2008.11.16 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Neth'Rae
Trying to make people follow your rules in the thread = FAIL..
And I'm a carebear, hi!
You know what makes it doubly hard? Not following the rules yourself
Quote:
add more points. but! don't debate other users experiences posts. that's just their experience. ask for clarification if necessary but don't criticise. please. this is not the post.
Didn't he just respond to every point a previous poster made?
Delusions of grandeur = Ignorance and is forgivable.
Hypocrisy = Stupidity and is not forgivable.
One last thing...
Adapt or forumragecrywhine. |
Mr shifta
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Posted - 2008.11.16 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Josef Odinssen
Carebearing needs nerfing????
WTF???
which part of SANDBOX does you not understand???
its like this:
peoples give CCP money.
Peoples does what the hell they wants, everyone who pays their money has a equal right to do exactly what they want with the game.
Whats REALLY wrong with Eve is CCP listening to people who spend too much time trolling forums desperate to enforce their playstyle/will/misdirection on the rest of the playing community who rather play than post.
Imagine if Grand Theft Auto had been designed by forum troll committee instead of a bunch of talented game designers.
i don't like way my neighbour cuts his lawn, should i be allowed to nerf his lawnmower to cut a way he likes it or should i simply respect the fact that we live in the same street and its his focking grass and hes free to cut it any way he chooses.
the PVP/carebear thing is getting very tired. Last time I checked the vision of Eve was for a complex and diverse universe based on society not a shoot-em-up for enraged teenagers to pew pew 24/7, if you aren't getting enough combat your PS3 -> that way.
Im not a carebear but how i want to play != how you want to play or any of the other paying subscribers.
and if you honestly want to make a constructive post about PVP - dont start it with troll statement "carebearing needs nerfing".
you either
A: want to make a constructive post about PVP
B: want to go on the usual "oh noes carebears!" rant
decide and edit.
Maybe i have it all wrong..., but the above quote is pretty much why i like eve so much. No amount of whineing will change that... hopefully. |
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