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Illia Pol
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Posted - 2004.07.08 06:50:00 -
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I've been doing R&D missions for 6ish months and have almost 200k RP...still no BP. The initial proposal of the R&D system was so compelling that I sunk all my efforts into getting an early lead in the technology sector. Obviously, this was a wasted effort. At this point, I think even CCP has admitted that the BP distribution design is FUBAR.
My EVE play currently involves logging in to train skills from level 4 to 5 and completing 1 mission a week. I'm about 10 minutes and 1 nip away from canceling my account. Can anyone please give me a good reason to hang in there?
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Illia Pol
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Posted - 2004.07.08 06:50:00 -
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I've been doing R&D missions for 6ish months and have almost 200k RP...still no BP. The initial proposal of the R&D system was so compelling that I sunk all my efforts into getting an early lead in the technology sector. Obviously, this was a wasted effort. At this point, I think even CCP has admitted that the BP distribution design is FUBAR.
My EVE play currently involves logging in to train skills from level 4 to 5 and completing 1 mission a week. I'm about 10 minutes and 1 nip away from canceling my account. Can anyone please give me a good reason to hang in there?
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.08 07:07:00 -
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You do know that there are ways to bork your attempts.
Ask yourself,
Do my agents have the same predictable patents for the skills they research in? If not your wasting your time. Example you have a level 3 agent who researches starship engineering and electronic engineering. THis type of agent who teaches things that never would share the same predictable patterns would never give a blueprint.
And I think thats really the only reason you can bork research I think. At least thats what I gathered.
So if your agent lists the same predictable patterns or shares at least 1 with the skills that he/she teaches, thats the blueprint your in the lottery for.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.08 07:07:00 -
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You do know that there are ways to bork your attempts.
Ask yourself,
Do my agents have the same predictable patents for the skills they research in? If not your wasting your time. Example you have a level 3 agent who researches starship engineering and electronic engineering. THis type of agent who teaches things that never would share the same predictable patterns would never give a blueprint.
And I think thats really the only reason you can bork research I think. At least thats what I gathered.
So if your agent lists the same predictable patterns or shares at least 1 with the skills that he/she teaches, thats the blueprint your in the lottery for.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2004.07.08 08:35:00 -
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ok heres one of my agents. 4 research fields, all level 3.
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-Electromagnetic Physics predictables:
Sensor Booster II Blueprint, LADAR Backup Array II Blueprint, Tracking Link II Blueprint, Signal Amplifier II Blueprint, RADAR Backup Array II Blueprint
-Rocket Science predictables:
1MN MicroWarpdrive II Blueprint, 100MN Afterburner II Blueprint
-Caldari Starship Engineering predictables:
Buzzard Blueprint
-Graviton Physics predictables:
Prototype Cloaking Device I Blueprint, Improved Cloaking Device II Blueprint, Mobile Medium Warp Disruptor I Blueprint, Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Blueprint
This agent does not research any fields that share a patent. Are you telling me that because of this, this agent will not give ANY patents out? That just can't be right.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2004.07.08 08:35:00 -
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ok heres one of my agents. 4 research fields, all level 3.
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-Electromagnetic Physics predictables:
Sensor Booster II Blueprint, LADAR Backup Array II Blueprint, Tracking Link II Blueprint, Signal Amplifier II Blueprint, RADAR Backup Array II Blueprint
-Rocket Science predictables:
1MN MicroWarpdrive II Blueprint, 100MN Afterburner II Blueprint
-Caldari Starship Engineering predictables:
Buzzard Blueprint
-Graviton Physics predictables:
Prototype Cloaking Device I Blueprint, Improved Cloaking Device II Blueprint, Mobile Medium Warp Disruptor I Blueprint, Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Blueprint
This agent does not research any fields that share a patent. Are you telling me that because of this, this agent will not give ANY patents out? That just can't be right.
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.07.08 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Asharee Intrefer on 08/07/2004 08:49:28
I can't say I belive a word of what Sinist says... I would very much like to see him refer to a dev response or something else that can back that statement up...
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.07.08 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Asharee Intrefer on 08/07/2004 08:49:28
I can't say I belive a word of what Sinist says... I would very much like to see him refer to a dev response or something else that can back that statement up...
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.07.08 09:09:00 -
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Edited by: JP Beauregard on 08/07/2004 11:29:50
I've re-read Sinist's nonsense five times and it's still nonsense. There is nothing in the bp lottery design to suggest that he may have a point and I certainly haven't heard anything along those lines before.
But there is plenty in the lottery design to sugest that you have had the kind of luck that most researchers are likely to have under the current system. The bad kind.
But since you were never guaranteed any results and still chose that career, I don't see why you should have reason to complain.
I so hate compulsive achievers...
JP Beauregard
=== The Pilkington Guides to EVE === |
JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.07.08 09:09:00 -
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Edited by: JP Beauregard on 08/07/2004 11:29:50
I've re-read Sinist's nonsense five times and it's still nonsense. There is nothing in the bp lottery design to suggest that he may have a point and I certainly haven't heard anything along those lines before.
But there is plenty in the lottery design to sugest that you have had the kind of luck that most researchers are likely to have under the current system. The bad kind.
But since you were never guaranteed any results and still chose that career, I don't see why you should have reason to complain.
I so hate compulsive achievers...
JP Beauregard
=== The Pilkington Guides to EVE === |
Judicator
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Posted - 2004.07.08 11:03:00 -
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You should try and stick your nose in PvP you silly carebear
I seriously think that is a very viable way of getting back on track and have fun playing again for you. If you have done agent missions for 6 months time you must have build up decent reserves of ISK, items and bpo/bpc.'s to use.
Before you roll eyes and go "But I don't have a Battelship" I'll tell you that you do not need a Battelship to PvP. Skilled frigate pilots are also in high demand.
A side effect of getting into PvP is that you'll likely end up with access to good NPC spawns and high end ore as a result for fighting. Thus you get out of empire and with accesss to good spawns and ore you can easily get a BS at some point.
0.0 is ruled by and with guns. Those that wield them have the power and the access. You'll likely end up with lots of friends wich make 0.0 much safer than going at it alone or in a small group and ofc lots of enemies too, but that's part of the job.
Got implants? Screw them tbh. If you die you die and if not you'll keep the implants and the reward they offer.
Cash, you can also make sigs. You did mine way back. A few of those a week and you'll easily keep yourself in Interceptors unless you really, really waste them al lot.
I suggest you speak with darth solo or Shadowthrone from Celestial Apocalypse. Or make a post on the eve-o corp and faction board.
Just don't join PA or CA they are bad m'kay
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.07.08 11:03:00 -
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You should try and stick your nose in PvP you silly carebear
I seriously think that is a very viable way of getting back on track and have fun playing again for you. If you have done agent missions for 6 months time you must have build up decent reserves of ISK, items and bpo/bpc.'s to use.
Before you roll eyes and go "But I don't have a Battelship" I'll tell you that you do not need a Battelship to PvP. Skilled frigate pilots are also in high demand.
A side effect of getting into PvP is that you'll likely end up with access to good NPC spawns and high end ore as a result for fighting. Thus you get out of empire and with accesss to good spawns and ore you can easily get a BS at some point.
0.0 is ruled by and with guns. Those that wield them have the power and the access. You'll likely end up with lots of friends wich make 0.0 much safer than going at it alone or in a small group and ofc lots of enemies too, but that's part of the job.
Got implants? Screw them tbh. If you die you die and if not you'll keep the implants and the reward they offer.
Cash, you can also make sigs. You did mine way back. A few of those a week and you'll easily keep yourself in Interceptors unless you really, really waste them al lot.
I suggest you speak with darth solo or Shadowthrone from Celestial Apocalypse. Or make a post on the eve-o corp and faction board.
Just don't join PA or CA they are bad m'kay
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dreschke
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Posted - 2004.07.08 12:03:00 -
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The bottom line is why are you playing this game? You need to ask yourself this question.. If your decision is that you enjoy playing this sim, then go in the direction that offers you the most fun.
Our corp as example is a totally freelance style corp, that has a strong emphasis on research, production, and minning, with a few out there in 0.0, hunting and being hunted.. We have had the same research experiance as you, yet with the numbers we have had a fair share of T2 BPO's dropped to us..But that is not why we play the game.. we play because we love this crazy game, love the hunt, love the art, love the chat.....well whatever you do,, have fun...otherwise what are you wasting your time on this for? Good Luck..
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dreschke
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Posted - 2004.07.08 12:03:00 -
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The bottom line is why are you playing this game? You need to ask yourself this question.. If your decision is that you enjoy playing this sim, then go in the direction that offers you the most fun.
Our corp as example is a totally freelance style corp, that has a strong emphasis on research, production, and minning, with a few out there in 0.0, hunting and being hunted.. We have had the same research experiance as you, yet with the numbers we have had a fair share of T2 BPO's dropped to us..But that is not why we play the game.. we play because we love this crazy game, love the hunt, love the art, love the chat.....well whatever you do,, have fun...otherwise what are you wasting your time on this for? Good Luck..
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.07.08 15:01:00 -
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Research Answer
Its all good.
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Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies |
Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.07.08 15:01:00 -
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Research Answer
Its all good.
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Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies |
SPIONKOP
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Posted - 2004.07.08 15:44:00 -
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I know how Illia feels.
Whilst I have not been doing R&D agent work full time I have invested in the Skills to have access to 9 agents. An if I am in the area will do a few R&D agent missions.
I have 120,000 RP's and I know that given time I will get a BPO, assuming they don't change the rules.
Problem is I have no idea when the time will come. It could be weeks, months or years. A key element of the game for me is building stuff. Our small corp has some nice LVL 1 BPO's but we can't yet afford a battleship BPO. A nice Tech II BPO could help the corp move in a new direction and allow us to acquire a new role in eve. I am not sure that the BP distibution system is FUBAR but wish I knew how close/far I am to a Tech II BPO.
Those that say this is only a PVP game are much mistaken, PVP, mining, trading, manufacturing and agent have a place in this game and the beauty of this game is that you can do any or all of them.
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SPIONKOP
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Posted - 2004.07.08 15:44:00 -
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I know how Illia feels.
Whilst I have not been doing R&D agent work full time I have invested in the Skills to have access to 9 agents. An if I am in the area will do a few R&D agent missions.
I have 120,000 RP's and I know that given time I will get a BPO, assuming they don't change the rules.
Problem is I have no idea when the time will come. It could be weeks, months or years. A key element of the game for me is building stuff. Our small corp has some nice LVL 1 BPO's but we can't yet afford a battleship BPO. A nice Tech II BPO could help the corp move in a new direction and allow us to acquire a new role in eve. I am not sure that the BP distibution system is FUBAR but wish I knew how close/far I am to a Tech II BPO.
Those that say this is only a PVP game are much mistaken, PVP, mining, trading, manufacturing and agent have a place in this game and the beauty of this game is that you can do any or all of them.
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Chith
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Posted - 2004.07.08 17:25:00 -
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Whether or not some may choose to admit it, all aspects of EVE are pvp. You are competing with players by all measures. Even research. Research just happens to be the most volitile, however. It's the hardest kind of competition to guide with your own guile. I can understand where some folks are comming from -- I also have well in excess of 110k rps in a particular field (STARSHIP ENGINEERING, BIG SURPRISE!). Damn my greed.
I'm not surprised that I do not have a print. Those are the odds. For a week or so CCP let us see all the numbers. At that time, I had about 2.1% of the points in the pool, and my pool share was converging towards 1.4% given the current influx of my own points and total points. As far as I can tell, somewhere between 5 and 10 prints have been released in that time. Dems the breaks; I am not a unique and individual snowflake. Just sorta wishing I did Electronic Engineering instead with all those agents, heh.
Given how it is, I still think the agent mission system is very fair and balanced as it is suppposed to work. It is also indeed frustrating, though. Playing the game does not entitle you to win. Especially when it's such an easy and autonomic process to play (that being the research process itself).
The only thing I think is really borked is that those who actively maintain a bunch of agents only gain a 2x advantage over those people who never ever do. Upping that to 3x would likely be appropriate. I'm one of those guys who never touches them.
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Chith
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Posted - 2004.07.08 17:25:00 -
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Whether or not some may choose to admit it, all aspects of EVE are pvp. You are competing with players by all measures. Even research. Research just happens to be the most volitile, however. It's the hardest kind of competition to guide with your own guile. I can understand where some folks are comming from -- I also have well in excess of 110k rps in a particular field (STARSHIP ENGINEERING, BIG SURPRISE!). Damn my greed.
I'm not surprised that I do not have a print. Those are the odds. For a week or so CCP let us see all the numbers. At that time, I had about 2.1% of the points in the pool, and my pool share was converging towards 1.4% given the current influx of my own points and total points. As far as I can tell, somewhere between 5 and 10 prints have been released in that time. Dems the breaks; I am not a unique and individual snowflake. Just sorta wishing I did Electronic Engineering instead with all those agents, heh.
Given how it is, I still think the agent mission system is very fair and balanced as it is suppposed to work. It is also indeed frustrating, though. Playing the game does not entitle you to win. Especially when it's such an easy and autonomic process to play (that being the research process itself).
The only thing I think is really borked is that those who actively maintain a bunch of agents only gain a 2x advantage over those people who never ever do. Upping that to 3x would likely be appropriate. I'm one of those guys who never touches them.
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The Tarsis Shriners |
Jdestars
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Posted - 2004.07.10 12:11:00 -
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i started research 6 month ago ,now ive five research agent (skill research project management ) and I do agent's mission every day
during this time i gain only 1 Bpo 
my best agent's are 25K RP in Starship....
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Jdestars
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Posted - 2004.07.10 12:11:00 -
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i started research 6 month ago ,now ive five research agent (skill research project management ) and I do agent's mission every day
during this time i gain only 1 Bpo
my best agent's are 25K RP in Starship....
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Vax Silver
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Posted - 2004.07.10 14:10:00 -
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An idea of mine - let me know what you think
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Vax Silver
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Posted - 2004.07.10 14:10:00 -
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An idea of mine - let me know what you think
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SPIONKOP
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Posted - 2004.07.10 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Vax Silver
An idea of mine - let me know what you think
I agree that we should have a better idea of our chances of getting BPO but knowing exactly when we where going to get one takes the fun and risk out of it. Maybe the agent could give us more feedback or maybe we could move the RP's to another agent. I would like to see an increase in bonus's the agents give us, even though that would hurt 6 of my 8 agents.
Sure I am ****ed off I not got a BPO but we are only a small corp and could not afford to buy RP's. Once again the mega corps would soon have all the BPO's, not by doing the hard slog agent work, but my using their mega wealth and buying their way to the BP.
At the moment I have a chance, small chance maybe. If I get a half decent BPO then that will help the corp, allow us to make a little more isk and maybe give us a new direction.
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SPIONKOP
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Posted - 2004.07.10 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Vax Silver
An idea of mine - let me know what you think
I agree that we should have a better idea of our chances of getting BPO but knowing exactly when we where going to get one takes the fun and risk out of it. Maybe the agent could give us more feedback or maybe we could move the RP's to another agent. I would like to see an increase in bonus's the agents give us, even though that would hurt 6 of my 8 agents.
Sure I am ****ed off I not got a BPO but we are only a small corp and could not afford to buy RP's. Once again the mega corps would soon have all the BPO's, not by doing the hard slog agent work, but my using their mega wealth and buying their way to the BP.
At the moment I have a chance, small chance maybe. If I get a half decent BPO then that will help the corp, allow us to make a little more isk and maybe give us a new direction.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.07.10 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: SPIONKOP
Originally by: Vax Silver
An idea of mine - let me know what you think
Sure I am ****ed off I not got a BPO but we are only a small corp and could not afford to buy RP's. Once again the mega corps would soon have all the BPO's, not by doing the hard slog agent work, but my using their mega wealth and buying their way to the BP.
At the moment I have a chance, small chance maybe. If I get a half decent BPO then that will help the corp, allow us to make a little more isk and maybe give us a new direction.
Dude what are u talking about your a small corp and can't afford the RP's? Do you have any clue how R&D agents operate? Running R&D missions to get tech 2 BPO's is one of the few ways small corps ca compete w/ big corps.
But research sux and tech 1.2 has been a flop so who cares?
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.07.10 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: SPIONKOP
Originally by: Vax Silver
An idea of mine - let me know what you think
Sure I am ****ed off I not got a BPO but we are only a small corp and could not afford to buy RP's. Once again the mega corps would soon have all the BPO's, not by doing the hard slog agent work, but my using their mega wealth and buying their way to the BP.
At the moment I have a chance, small chance maybe. If I get a half decent BPO then that will help the corp, allow us to make a little more isk and maybe give us a new direction.
Dude what are u talking about your a small corp and can't afford the RP's? Do you have any clue how R&D agents operate? Running R&D missions to get tech 2 BPO's is one of the few ways small corps ca compete w/ big corps.
But research sux and tech 1.2 has been a flop so who cares?
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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SPIONKOP
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Posted - 2004.07.11 09:15:00 -
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Yes Trev, I do know how R&D agents work I now have 9 of them but am only able to do R&D missions for 2 of them.
The previous poster, in the displayed link wants to make RP's a commodity you could buy and sell on the market/trade. I am against this but my post did not make this link clear.
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SPIONKOP
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Posted - 2004.07.11 09:15:00 -
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Yes Trev, I do know how R&D agents work I now have 9 of them but am only able to do R&D missions for 2 of them.
The previous poster, in the displayed link wants to make RP's a commodity you could buy and sell on the market/trade. I am against this but my post did not make this link clear.
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