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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.07.11 14:55:00 -
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If you are fighting Serpentis I suggest 8x Ogre because they do thermal and that is what Serpentis is least resistant to. Their shield to 19% resist to it and the armor got 37% across the board. At least for the "standard" ones.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.07.11 14:55:00 -
[32]
If you are fighting Serpentis I suggest 8x Ogre because they do thermal and that is what Serpentis is least resistant to. Their shield to 19% resist to it and the armor got 37% across the board. At least for the "standard" ones.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2004.07.17 21:55:00 -
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I suggest you try and fight NPC's at a distance.
Ushally I use rails and a MWD, I simply head towards a planet or somthing that I can warp to. If the rats get close hit the MWD and get out of there range. Doing this you can stay out of range and keep them at your optimal. Mind you it isn't really all that much fun. You will never fear for your ship and battles can take a while. But it can be a good way to make money. And get some decent loot.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2004.07.17 21:55:00 -
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I suggest you try and fight NPC's at a distance.
Ushally I use rails and a MWD, I simply head towards a planet or somthing that I can warp to. If the rats get close hit the MWD and get out of there range. Doing this you can stay out of range and keep them at your optimal. Mind you it isn't really all that much fun. You will never fear for your ship and battles can take a while. But it can be a good way to make money. And get some decent loot.
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Drusilla
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Posted - 2004.07.19 21:02:00 -
[35]
So...how do you MWD users keep the MWD from eating your CAP down to nothing in no time flat?
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Drusilla
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Posted - 2004.07.19 21:02:00 -
[36]
So...how do you MWD users keep the MWD from eating your CAP down to nothing in no time flat?
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.19 21:41:00 -
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Good cap skills, good nav skills, a cap module or two, and selective usage.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.19 21:41:00 -
[38]
Good cap skills, good nav skills, a cap module or two, and selective usage.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 21:42:00 -
[39]
Thorax sucks ass, Blackbird is the uber l33t boss that will waste your pretty ***** any day
LMAO
Dont believe me? Just contact O Ren and her harpy brood.
Losers
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 21:42:00 -
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Thorax sucks ass, Blackbird is the uber l33t boss that will waste your pretty ***** any day
LMAO
Dont believe me? Just contact O Ren and her harpy brood.
Losers
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Galton Grimm
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Posted - 2004.07.19 21:53:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Galton Grimm on 19/07/2004 21:58:11
high:
4x 250mm railguns
1x small neutron blaster (optional)
med:
2x 10mn afterburner
1x Tech II medium shield booster
low:
5x Power diagnostic system I
Dual afterburners gives you the speed to choose the range of engagement, and 5 pds provide power to run them almost indefinitely, and to run the shield booster a long long time. Recharging cap between fights doesn't take much time with this setup.
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Galton Grimm
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Posted - 2004.07.19 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Galton Grimm on 19/07/2004 21:58:11
high:
4x 250mm railguns
1x small neutron blaster (optional)
med:
2x 10mn afterburner
1x Tech II medium shield booster
low:
5x Power diagnostic system I
Dual afterburners gives you the speed to choose the range of engagement, and 5 pds provide power to run them almost indefinitely, and to run the shield booster a long long time. Recharging cap between fights doesn't take much time with this setup.
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Aristan
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Posted - 2004.07.19 23:14:00 -
[43]
 Originally by: Nikodemus22
1 empty high slot
Have you thought of using it for emergency ammo storage?
Buy yourself a dual 150 (which has a 160 round capacity), pop it in the slot, put it offline, and fill it up with your primary ammo, then keep one round of a differnt kind of ammo so that you can hotswap in during those not-so-rare emergencies where you didn't quite pack enough ammo.
Just an idea. 
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Aristan
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Posted - 2004.07.19 23:14:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Nikodemus22
1 empty high slot
Have you thought of using it for emergency ammo storage?
Buy yourself a dual 150 (which has a 160 round capacity), pop it in the slot, put it offline, and fill it up with your primary ammo, then keep one round of a differnt kind of ammo so that you can hotswap in during those not-so-rare emergencies where you didn't quite pack enough ammo.
Just an idea.
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.07.20 08:29:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 20/07/2004 08:36:11
I make lev 3 kill mission and i killed a LOT of Nullifiers, Mortifier, Inferno and Ereaser guristas ( 55k-115k pirates) and escort with a long sange setup.
HI SLOTS
5x 250mm with tungsten ammos ( 40-52 km range )
MED SLOTS
1x MWD, 1 small Shield booster, 1 cap recharger ( cannot fit a medium booster cause i'l lack of 8 power  )
LOW SLOTS
1x tech 2 dammage mod, 4x power unit ( +10% powercore)
Small booster is not a problem because i'm NEVER BEEN HITTED BY 1 SHOT.
What i do is this:
1) Warp 60 km away
2) lock as many npc's u can ( i can lock 5 .. it depends on your skills)
3) set "keep distance" when u are at 50 km far from the biggest one,
4) kill fighters before they reach u
5) check distance from NPC cruiser, cause some have a MWD so activate your MWD if u are going under 30km ( not in autorepeate mode)
6) kill cruiser
7) grab all loot
This way only thing can kill u is boredom.
Some hints:
4x 250mm are not enough to kill a 100k pirate with tungsten ammo ( they repair faster as u deal dammage). If u will use only 4 turrets u need to use at least lead ammo but this way u can be into fire range.
Iridium ammo have enough range to keep u in safe and deal more dammage, but u need to pay more attention cause u must be at 40km far and u are near on npc fire range ( expecially pay attention on heavy missiles).
Newer used 1 drone but bring it anyway with u for emergency. [;)]
p.s) I have 5 engineering, electronics and weapon upgrades, dunno if is viable with lower skills.
p.p.s) DO'NT TRY TO USE AB'S as someone suggested cause guristas eraser top speed is 1000m/s and 2 ab are not enough to keep distance. If u do that u must change strategy. ( blasters, drones and good tanking)
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.07.20 08:29:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 20/07/2004 08:36:11
I make lev 3 kill mission and i killed a LOT of Nullifiers, Mortifier, Inferno and Ereaser guristas ( 55k-115k pirates) and escort with a long sange setup.
HI SLOTS
5x 250mm with tungsten ammos ( 40-52 km range )
MED SLOTS
1x MWD, 1 small Shield booster, 1 cap recharger ( cannot fit a medium booster cause i'l lack of 8 power )
LOW SLOTS
1x tech 2 dammage mod, 4x power unit ( +10% powercore)
Small booster is not a problem because i'm NEVER BEEN HITTED BY 1 SHOT.
What i do is this:
1) Warp 60 km away
2) lock as many npc's u can ( i can lock 5 .. it depends on your skills)
3) set "keep distance" when u are at 50 km far from the biggest one,
4) kill fighters before they reach u
5) check distance from NPC cruiser, cause some have a MWD so activate your MWD if u are going under 30km ( not in autorepeate mode)
6) kill cruiser
7) grab all loot
This way only thing can kill u is boredom.
Some hints:
4x 250mm are not enough to kill a 100k pirate with tungsten ammo ( they repair faster as u deal dammage). If u will use only 4 turrets u need to use at least lead ammo but this way u can be into fire range.
Iridium ammo have enough range to keep u in safe and deal more dammage, but u need to pay more attention cause u must be at 40km far and u are near on npc fire range ( expecially pay attention on heavy missiles).
Newer used 1 drone but bring it anyway with u for emergency. [;)]
p.s) I have 5 engineering, electronics and weapon upgrades, dunno if is viable with lower skills.
p.p.s) DO'NT TRY TO USE AB'S as someone suggested cause guristas eraser top speed is 1000m/s and 2 ab are not enough to keep distance. If u do that u must change strategy. ( blasters, drones and good tanking)
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.07.20 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Drusilla
So...how do you MWD users keep the MWD from eating your CAP down to nothing in no time flat?
Make sure its set to manual. Most of the time a single burst of MWD suffices to get you back into your optimal and out of theirs.
The skills:
Train High Speed Manuvering to reduce MWD cap usage by up to 25% at level V.
Energy Systems Operation - reduced CAP recharge time by 25% at level V.
Energy Management - increases total CAP by 25% at level V (with a corresponding 25% increase in recharge rate because the recharge time of the cap is not increased!)
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.07.20 08:30:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Drusilla
So...how do you MWD users keep the MWD from eating your CAP down to nothing in no time flat?
Make sure its set to manual. Most of the time a single burst of MWD suffices to get you back into your optimal and out of theirs.
The skills:
Train High Speed Manuvering to reduce MWD cap usage by up to 25% at level V.
Energy Systems Operation - reduced CAP recharge time by 25% at level V.
Energy Management - increases total CAP by 25% at level V (with a corresponding 25% increase in recharge rate because the recharge time of the cap is not increased!)
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.07.20 08:39:00 -
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As an alternative, suprise yourself. Pull off all the hybrid weapons, equip a full set of lasers - Focused Medium Beams fit, and keep a variety of crystals on hand to swap on the fly - the long range crystals do more (or only) EM damage, at the shorter range end of the spectrum you get a decent amount of thermal.
I switched to lasers during the height of the tracking nerfs and was so pleased at being able to hit stuff that I just havnt even tried rails recently. Because I do think that ship bonuses are not to be ignored, Im training Amarr cruiser so I can fly a laser config native, but I think its damned silly that lasers do better on gallente ships than rails.
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.07.20 08:39:00 -
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As an alternative, suprise yourself. Pull off all the hybrid weapons, equip a full set of lasers - Focused Medium Beams fit, and keep a variety of crystals on hand to swap on the fly - the long range crystals do more (or only) EM damage, at the shorter range end of the spectrum you get a decent amount of thermal.
I switched to lasers during the height of the tracking nerfs and was so pleased at being able to hit stuff that I just havnt even tried rails recently. Because I do think that ship bonuses are not to be ignored, Im training Amarr cruiser so I can fly a laser config native, but I think its damned silly that lasers do better on gallente ships than rails.
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.07.20 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Drusilla
So...how do you MWD users keep the MWD from eating your CAP down to nothing in no time flat?
Drusilla, u must condiser two things:
1) key on using mwd is to be out of enemy fire, so u do'nt need to use shield booster.
2) Using MWD in manual mode bring your top speed around 800m/s. That allows u to be at safe distance, u ned to activate it 2 times only vs a npc mwd user.
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.07.20 08:41:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Drusilla
So...how do you MWD users keep the MWD from eating your CAP down to nothing in no time flat?
Drusilla, u must condiser two things:
1) key on using mwd is to be out of enemy fire, so u do'nt need to use shield booster.
2) Using MWD in manual mode bring your top speed around 800m/s. That allows u to be at safe distance, u ned to activate it 2 times only vs a npc mwd user.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.07.20 12:10:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Detaurus
Thorax sucks ass, Blackbird is the uber l33t boss that will waste your pretty ***** any day
LMAO
Dont believe me? Just contact O Ren and her harpy brood.
Losers
Tell that to the blackbirds I have personally handed eviction notices to with a thorax. LMAO was it? Stop shooting miners with your l337 happy meal setup and go work on people with PvP skills.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.07.20 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Detaurus
Thorax sucks ass, Blackbird is the uber l33t boss that will waste your pretty ***** any day
LMAO
Dont believe me? Just contact O Ren and her harpy brood.
Losers
Tell that to the blackbirds I have personally handed eviction notices to with a thorax. LMAO was it? Stop shooting miners with your l337 happy meal setup and go work on people with PvP skills.
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.07.20 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: DeFood
As an alternative, suprise yourself. Pull off all the hybrid weapons, equip a full set of lasers - Focused Medium Beams fit, and keep a variety of crystals on hand to swap on the fly - the long range crystals do more (or only) EM damage, at the shorter range end of the spectrum you get a decent amount of thermal.
I switched to lasers during the height of the tracking nerfs and was so pleased at being able to hit stuff that I just havnt even tried rails recently. Because I do think that ship bonuses are not to be ignored, Im training Amarr cruiser so I can fly a laser config native, but I think its damned silly that lasers do better on gallente ships than rails.
IMHO is a bad idea because:
1) this mean loose to at least 15% cos u need to have gallente cruiser 3 to fly a thorax ( i have gallente cruiser 4 , so for me is 20% dammage ).
2) this mean also fitting weapons with bigger powercore requirement ( that u do'nt have.. it's already very hard to fit 5x 250mm ) and with lesser CPU requirement, so u will have lot of CPU unused but you will be lack of powercore.
3) laser suck more cap but u cannot fit cap rechargers cos u need low slots to increase your powercore.
4) u need to use radio crystals to keep long distance but it destroy shields but almost make not dammage on armour/hull. so killing a 100k pirate will dure 1 hour.
Use a maller if u will use lasers ....
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.07.20 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: DeFood
As an alternative, suprise yourself. Pull off all the hybrid weapons, equip a full set of lasers - Focused Medium Beams fit, and keep a variety of crystals on hand to swap on the fly - the long range crystals do more (or only) EM damage, at the shorter range end of the spectrum you get a decent amount of thermal.
I switched to lasers during the height of the tracking nerfs and was so pleased at being able to hit stuff that I just havnt even tried rails recently. Because I do think that ship bonuses are not to be ignored, Im training Amarr cruiser so I can fly a laser config native, but I think its damned silly that lasers do better on gallente ships than rails.
IMHO is a bad idea because:
1) this mean loose to at least 15% cos u need to have gallente cruiser 3 to fly a thorax ( i have gallente cruiser 4 , so for me is 20% dammage ).
2) this mean also fitting weapons with bigger powercore requirement ( that u do'nt have.. it's already very hard to fit 5x 250mm ) and with lesser CPU requirement, so u will have lot of CPU unused but you will be lack of powercore.
3) laser suck more cap but u cannot fit cap rechargers cos u need low slots to increase your powercore.
4) u need to use radio crystals to keep long distance but it destroy shields but almost make not dammage on armour/hull. so killing a 100k pirate will dure 1 hour.
Use a maller if u will use lasers ....
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.07.20 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Use a maller if u will use lasers ....
Oh I don't doubt its a bad idea. What ... suprised me when I first did it however (switched to lasers) was, even with the loss in bonuses, the laser Thorax did the missions I was doing more effectivly than any railgun build I had tried.
Well, my original attempt was to use 5x dual 150MM guns for the supposed higher tracking, but then I needed to use iron ammo to keep a decent optimal. I switched to midrange lasers :- Focused Medium Beams as having low requrements, and roughly the same (listed) optimal as 150MMs. The ship was immediately more effective.
So I cried for a bit, then purchased Amarr frigate and cruiser and will soon have a Maller.
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.07.20 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Use a maller if u will use lasers ....
Oh I don't doubt its a bad idea. What ... suprised me when I first did it however (switched to lasers) was, even with the loss in bonuses, the laser Thorax did the missions I was doing more effectivly than any railgun build I had tried.
Well, my original attempt was to use 5x dual 150MM guns for the supposed higher tracking, but then I needed to use iron ammo to keep a decent optimal. I switched to midrange lasers :- Focused Medium Beams as having low requrements, and roughly the same (listed) optimal as 150MMs. The ship was immediately more effective.
So I cried for a bit, then purchased Amarr frigate and cruiser and will soon have a Maller.
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.07.20 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 20/07/2004 13:06:03
Originally by: DeFood
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Use a maller if u will use lasers ....
Oh I don't doubt its a bad idea. What ... suprised me when I first did it however (switched to lasers) was, even with the loss in bonuses, the laser Thorax did the missions I was doing more effectivly than any railgun build I had tried.
Well, my original attempt was to use 5x dual 150MM guns for the supposed higher tracking, but then I needed to use iron ammo to keep a decent optimal. I switched to midrange lasers :- Focused Medium Beams as having low requrements, and roughly the same (listed) optimal as 150MMs. The ship was immediately more effective.
So I cried for a bit, then purchased Amarr frigate and cruiser and will soon have a Maller.
Never user dual 150mm because i think cannot give u good dammage and cannot give u enough optimal range to keep you safe. U should try 250mm with iridium/tunghsten ammo and be over 40km distance ( use keep at range option ) for a safelly hunt.
For good fitting u must chose between blasters (for dammage) and 250mm's (for range). Dual 150mm are simply a "low end guns". A choise if u cannot fit nothing better.
About maller, i'm not sure it's better than thorax cos i saw many guys telling that it have too too litle powercore, but i have never used one.
Give us some feedback when u tried .it 
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2004.07.20 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 20/07/2004 13:06:03
Originally by: DeFood
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Use a maller if u will use lasers ....
Oh I don't doubt its a bad idea. What ... suprised me when I first did it however (switched to lasers) was, even with the loss in bonuses, the laser Thorax did the missions I was doing more effectivly than any railgun build I had tried.
Well, my original attempt was to use 5x dual 150MM guns for the supposed higher tracking, but then I needed to use iron ammo to keep a decent optimal. I switched to midrange lasers :- Focused Medium Beams as having low requrements, and roughly the same (listed) optimal as 150MMs. The ship was immediately more effective.
So I cried for a bit, then purchased Amarr frigate and cruiser and will soon have a Maller.
Never user dual 150mm because i think cannot give u good dammage and cannot give u enough optimal range to keep you safe. U should try 250mm with iridium/tunghsten ammo and be over 40km distance ( use keep at range option ) for a safelly hunt.
For good fitting u must chose between blasters (for dammage) and 250mm's (for range). Dual 150mm are simply a "low end guns". A choise if u cannot fit nothing better.
About maller, i'm not sure it's better than thorax cos i saw many guys telling that it have too too litle powercore, but i have never used one.
Give us some feedback when u tried .it
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