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Silentbrick
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.11.21 20:45:00 -
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The purpose behind a war dec is so that two corps/alliances can fight in high and low security space without concord interference. This is all well and good, and should be kept.
However, this latest trend of war deccing people and essentially not bothering to show up kind of makes the whole thing pointless. So here's what I propose:
1. The corp/alliance that initiates the war dec is required to get at least -1- kill per day of the war dec.
2. Failure to get a kill for a day would mean that the corp/alliance that declared war pays a penalty for wasting Concords time with their lack of actually fighting.
3. The penalty payment could either be done as the dec fees are or paid to the members of the corp/alliance that was decced.
4. Penalty payment should be 5 million isk PER member of the corp/alliance that was decced.
This will ensure that corps and alliances declaring war actually come out to fight, lest they get hit with massive penalty payments. I suppose an alternative would be that if the corp deccing fails to get a kill for a day, you shorten or end the war.
Now, while some would say that this encourages people not to undock, from what I have seen that's not actually the case with many dec's. On the contrary, we've always had the problem of finding the WT's who dec us and then immediately seem to run away or hide from us. If you are going to declare war, then you should be made to actually fight or suffer for it.
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Hesod Adee
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.11.21 20:55:00 -
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I agree with punishing people who declare a war but don't turn up. But I'm not sure about the specific trigger for 'not turning up' because if you force a trading corp to stay docked up, that still hurts them because they can't haul.
Maybe require the corp declaring war to either get one kill a day, or spend a specific length of time uncloaked in space in a system having war targets online in it (for example, camping the station they are docked up in). |
Drake Draconis
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.21 22:48:00 -
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At the risk of seeing people NOT READ THIS POST CAREFULLY and make assumptions.. let me be clear on whats being said here.
1: Corp A War Dec's Corp B
2: Corp A doesn't show up to fight at all
3: Corp A Gets slapped with fines from CONCORD
/me thumbs up
1: Corp A War Dec's Corp B
2: Corp B dosen't show up to fight at all
3: Corp B Gets slapped with fines from CONCORD
/me thumbs down
Get it? Got it? Good.
But ONLY in that case... otherwise forget about it.
Punish the War Dec'er... not the recipent.
As the recipent has no choice in the matter... the Declarer of Wars DOES have a choice.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.11.21 23:49:00 -
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If someone launches a dec and doesn't show up, there already is a penalty - 2 million isk per week. That's not huge, but a lot of wars are small, so a flat rate would have to be set around that level. This isn't necessarily a perfect system, and I'd be willing to listen if you had a concrete suggestion for change, but the status quo isn't terrible enough that I'll advocate blind change.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.21 23:50:00 -
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The whole war dec mechanic needs reworked.
I don't really see why this is an issue? If I dec you and change my mind, I paid for the right to kill you if I want to. I don't see why it should be mandatory.
What if we try to kill you, but you kill us all and we don't get a kill? Do we still have to pay?
As for the "RP" of wasting Concords' time, they took the payment. Now you're also wanting them to keep track of kills?
Instead make this part of the revamp. One of the win conditions is getting a kill. If we go three days without killing anyone, the war is retracted due to lack of interest or everyone being dead.
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Captain Thunk
Captain Morgan Society
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Posted - 2008.11.22 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Thunk on 22/11/2008 00:58:07
No.
If someones paid for a war and didn't turn up, they've already wasted their money.
The proposition is ridiculous and has little basis - People should *not* be 'fined' when they're already wasted their money. If people want to waste their own money that's their right, but to add fines ontop of the privilege? no, that's just silly.
If Ivy League are just interested in having a war dec removed, you could try 20 alt corps decing a 21st and absorbing it into the alliance. I hear that works.
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Lou Phillipo
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Posted - 2008.11.22 03:40:00 -
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Edited by: Lou Phillipo on 22/11/2008 03:41:12
Brilliant! You're a genius!
Corp A wardecs corp B
Corp B slips into their alt corp
Corp A station camps the remote traders logging on from corp B
Corp A gets to pay more because corp B remained docked or logged into alts all day.
Just brilliant. Nice to know you're putting that uni education to such good use.
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Hammerlock
Caldari
Mentat Assassins
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Posted - 2008.11.22 08:48:00 -
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lame...
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.22 17:02:00 -
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The fee for paying a war-dec is too cheap even then.. its chump change to most Corps.
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Karando
Random Goods
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Posted - 2008.11.22 19:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Lou Phillipo
Just brilliant. Nice to know you're putting that uni education to such good use.
They are busy with learning how to do essential stuff like activating weapons against NPCs all day long, that are the challanges eve uni members really face.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.11.23 02:29:00 -
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Ya there's a bunch of alt corps around right now so mercs can wardec people for 2mil each war. They just have to corpjump around to get to the war they want to play in.
2mil to wardec a corp is such a waste of time. Oftentimes you can park a cloaked ship in their home system and jam up the game for many people. That's no fun at all.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.11.24 06:50:00 -
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Thumbs down. Ridiculous. I never pay attention to this section of the forum, but if ideas like this are going to keep cropping up, maybe I should, just to keep them from happening. 
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Posted - 2008.11.24 13:08:00 -
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.25 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 25/11/2008 01:33:55
Originally by: Hesod Adee
I agree with punishing people who declare a war but don't turn up.
The easiest way to solve this is to re-do the making of a war dec mutual mechanic. I think when you make a wardec mutual, the war should last forever unless one side asks to surrender and the other side accepts.
That way when you war dec, there is always a risk the otherside make it mutual and you find you are unable to back out until they let you.
Currently the only consequence to war decc'ing a corp is the loss of 1mil isk, which is hardly anything to most players, especially if you just use alts for your war dec grief corp and have your mission running main safely tucked away in a friendly corner of 0.0 or in NPC corp missioning away
Edit: apparently it is 2mil isk now to wardec according to one of the above posters....
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