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Sarinas
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:37:00 -
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By "old" I mean those who started playing the game at the time it was released, or even during any beta stage.
I'm reading a pretty lengthy story written by someone who claims to be one such player and he claims that he paid 35 millions for a Moa. Was that possible at the time? --- I bring you joy, I bring you pain, I bring you some sunshine And some rain. |
Sarinas
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:37:00 -
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By "old" I mean those who started playing the game at the time it was released, or even during any beta stage.
I'm reading a pretty lengthy story written by someone who claims to be one such player and he claims that he paid 35 millions for a Moa. Was that possible at the time? --- I bring you joy, I bring you pain, I bring you some sunshine And some rain. |
Jesloy
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:40:00 -
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Yes.
And... it's still possible - want one for 35 mil? ;)
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Jesloy
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:40:00 -
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Yes.
And... it's still possible - want one for 35 mil? ;)
Free Corp is recruiting |
Sarinas
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:41:00 -
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So he didn't get ripped off and that amount would've been average at the time? --- I bring you joy, I bring you pain, I bring you some sunshine And some rain. |
Sarinas
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:41:00 -
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So he didn't get ripped off and that amount would've been average at the time? --- I bring you joy, I bring you pain, I bring you some sunshine And some rain. |
GraveDigger
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:44:00 -
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MOA never cost that much, no way
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GraveDigger
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:44:00 -
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MOA never cost that much, no way
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Procion
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Procion on 09/07/2004 22:49:10 in beta npc prices for ships were really high ,225m+ for a battleship that was back when there were no blueprints ingame apart from for ammo one's i think the only corps who managed to get a battleship in the last stage of beta was omega corp and rus corp
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Procion
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Procion on 09/07/2004 22:49:10 in beta npc prices for ships were really high ,225m+ for a battleship that was back when there were no blueprints ingame apart from for ammo one's i think the only corps who managed to get a battleship in the last stage of beta was omega corp and rus corp
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Sarinas
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:54:00 -
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Okay, thanks for the input.
If anyone's interested in reading the story, it's there: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=288672328&perpage=1#post288672328
As far as I'm concerned I'm quite convinced that it's basically a big, romanticized heap of lies, but since I wasn't there at the time the author claims to have played the game, I can't really tell. --- I bring you joy, I bring you pain, I bring you some sunshine And some rain. |
Sarinas
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:54:00 -
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Okay, thanks for the input.
If anyone's interested in reading the story, it's there: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=288672328&perpage=1#post288672328
As far as I'm concerned I'm quite convinced that it's basically a big, romanticized heap of lies, but since I wasn't there at the time the author claims to have played the game, I can't really tell. --- I bring you joy, I bring you pain, I bring you some sunshine And some rain. |
SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: SlightlyMad on 09/07/2004 22:59:08 people have paid 80 million for a shuttle or 100mill for 1 ISK
So I guess it could happen
Seriously though.
I think MOA's was some 15M at the highest when they first showed. Nothing says he didn't pay that much tho. But he didn't need to unless he really wanted. * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: SlightlyMad on 09/07/2004 22:59:08 people have paid 80 million for a shuttle or 100mill for 1 ISK
So I guess it could happen
Seriously though.
I think MOA's was some 15M at the highest when they first showed. Nothing says he didn't pay that much tho. But he didn't need to unless he really wanted. * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
Syphin
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:56:00 -
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Dont think moas ever got that high. If i remember right Tier 3 cruisers started around 20million maybe less. - - - - - - - Disclaimer I take no responsibility for the spelling or grammar usage in the above statement Nor do i agree with its ideas and or claims Or even acknowledge its existance. |
Syphin
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:56:00 -
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Dont think moas ever got that high. If i remember right Tier 3 cruisers started around 20million maybe less. - - - - - - - Disclaimer I take no responsibility for the spelling or grammar usage in the above statement Nor do i agree with its ideas and or claims Or even acknowledge its existance. |
Gundog Prime
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Gundog Prime on 09/07/2004 23:00:37 I remember lending Vlademeir 4mil (He had more cash of his own) for his and in fact our first Cruiser (Crusader Exploration / Free Space Exploration) and then he went head to head with CONCORD and lost it I Believe he did manage to pod a miner he was paid 1mil to kill though before CONCORD Pwn'd him --------------------------------------------------------------
[email protected] - BEWARE THE CHEAP PAINT SIG -- Joshua Calvert, the true gamer's gamer |
Gundog Prime
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Gundog Prime on 09/07/2004 23:00:37 I remember lending Vlademeir 4mil (He had more cash of his own) for his and in fact our first Cruiser (Crusader Exploration / Free Space Exploration) and then he went head to head with CONCORD and lost it I Believe he did manage to pod a miner he was paid 1mil to kill though before CONCORD Pwn'd him --------------------------------------------------------------
[email protected] - BEWARE THE CHEAP PAINT SIG -- Joshua Calvert, the true gamer's gamer |
Kilhu Emmek
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Posted - 2004.07.09 23:12:00 -
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I paid 250k for my first probe.
NPC bastards.
Gradient is hiring. Read our Code of Conduct before applying.
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Kilhu Emmek
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Posted - 2004.07.09 23:12:00 -
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I paid 250k for my first probe.
NPC bastards.
Gradient is hiring. Read our Code of Conduct before applying.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2004.07.09 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan on 09/07/2004 23:20:10
It wasnt Battleship BP's Procion. it was cruiser prints, OC had the Thorax and someone else had the MOA print and someone else got the Maller (RUS got Maller?)
There was some usual bug about missing skills or something, the usual "woot new item/BPO, damn no skill to go with it!" Same mistake STILL keeps being made. then we get other things like Jump drives where the skill has been around for eons and... no item. Wtf..
AFAIK anyway, unless there was some other beta event i dont remember?
Best thing was buying ships that came pre fitted from the market, Breechers had miner V's fitted :)
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Tristan
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Posted - 2004.07.09 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan on 09/07/2004 23:20:10
It wasnt Battleship BP's Procion. it was cruiser prints, OC had the Thorax and someone else had the MOA print and someone else got the Maller (RUS got Maller?)
There was some usual bug about missing skills or something, the usual "woot new item/BPO, damn no skill to go with it!" Same mistake STILL keeps being made. then we get other things like Jump drives where the skill has been around for eons and... no item. Wtf..
AFAIK anyway, unless there was some other beta event i dont remember?
Best thing was buying ships that came pre fitted from the market, Breechers had miner V's fitted :)
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svetlana
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Posted - 2004.07.09 23:33:00 -
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the expensive moa sounds possible to me- of course any ship could be sold at any price if a player was the only one selling in a certain region. it would depend on what region you were looking at prices and if some of the first players started selling that high.
at release thoraxes were definately over 14mil (back then i thought i would never be able to fly one since even 100k was a lot to me at that time;).
about a month or so in, i was trying hard to afford my first cruiser and i had chosen omen (lev 2 cruiser) the first one i bought was around 11mil and i felt LUCKY i got that low a price. then when they dropped to 9mil i bought another--i rushed to buy it before another player did, was so worried i'd miss out on such a good deal;)
when the superhighway was put in all regional markets simultaneously crashed, even lev3 cruisers dropped to a low of around 6mil for a while. then with meg and zyd scarcity, and slightly higher common mineral prices-- the prices for cruisers have stabilized in a low-middle range we have today.
btw... way back then we were running blockades at gate fronts with no sentrys, was quite a rush-- every now and then old m3g4 would almost get one of my omens, but thanks to some piloting skill i still have both those original omens to this day;)
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svetlana
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Posted - 2004.07.09 23:33:00 -
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the expensive moa sounds possible to me- of course any ship could be sold at any price if a player was the only one selling in a certain region. it would depend on what region you were looking at prices and if some of the first players started selling that high.
at release thoraxes were definately over 14mil (back then i thought i would never be able to fly one since even 100k was a lot to me at that time;).
about a month or so in, i was trying hard to afford my first cruiser and i had chosen omen (lev 2 cruiser) the first one i bought was around 11mil and i felt LUCKY i got that low a price. then when they dropped to 9mil i bought another--i rushed to buy it before another player did, was so worried i'd miss out on such a good deal;)
when the superhighway was put in all regional markets simultaneously crashed, even lev3 cruisers dropped to a low of around 6mil for a while. then with meg and zyd scarcity, and slightly higher common mineral prices-- the prices for cruisers have stabilized in a low-middle range we have today.
btw... way back then we were running blockades at gate fronts with no sentrys, was quite a rush-- every now and then old m3g4 would almost get one of my omens, but thanks to some piloting skill i still have both those original omens to this day;)
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2004.07.09 23:42:00 -
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I remember seeing Moas for 16mil back in the day, I think sellers played on peoples ignorance of not knowing how much it cost to actually make the ships so they benefited from huge profit margins until people found out the true value of ships like the Moa and pricewars ensued, making it drop to around 6-7mil. The market was different back then, everything was new ground so there wasn't any real right or wrong.
If you fast forward to today you will pretty much the same story with interceptors, and you wonder why people complain that their full insurance only covers a fraction of the cost of their interceptor compared to what they paid for it.
But the market is dynamic and is always changing.
If I told you that once upon a time, Cu vapour mining lasers were selling at 5mill a piece, you'd never believe me. If I told you cruiser prototype gauss guns were selling at 7mill, you'd never believe me. If I told you once upon a time you could get zydrine for under a 1000 isk a piece, you'd laugh out loud.
Back then, corporations needed to pool their funds together to buy BPo's and negotiate copies, but now, even an individual can buy a BS bpo. ISK and wealth in EVE is not spread regionally, its concentrated in individuals and powerful corporations who effectively control the market.
Zydrine has inflated four and a half times the normal npc price, Megacyte was as high as almost 20k earlier this year and has thankfully fallen to around 6-6.5k. Iso is up, nocx is up, pyrite is up, only mex has fallen.
As corporations grow and expand, empire is being mined out, the ore rate of growth is simply not enough to keep up. These things all have a knock on effect to the price of ships, ammo and mods.
Wars boost the economy by creating a demand in ships but also boost the prices of mega/zyd as there is less people to mine it and bring it safely back to empire thus the price goes up ridiculously.
In certain regions where there are no wars, there is no reason for mega and zyd to be so high. But no one will sell for less when they can make more. Driving down the price of mins back to NPC levels takes a unified effort and much co-operation between corporations and traders.
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2004.07.09 23:42:00 -
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I remember seeing Moas for 16mil back in the day, I think sellers played on peoples ignorance of not knowing how much it cost to actually make the ships so they benefited from huge profit margins until people found out the true value of ships like the Moa and pricewars ensued, making it drop to around 6-7mil. The market was different back then, everything was new ground so there wasn't any real right or wrong.
If you fast forward to today you will pretty much the same story with interceptors, and you wonder why people complain that their full insurance only covers a fraction of the cost of their interceptor compared to what they paid for it.
But the market is dynamic and is always changing.
If I told you that once upon a time, Cu vapour mining lasers were selling at 5mill a piece, you'd never believe me. If I told you cruiser prototype gauss guns were selling at 7mill, you'd never believe me. If I told you once upon a time you could get zydrine for under a 1000 isk a piece, you'd laugh out loud.
Back then, corporations needed to pool their funds together to buy BPo's and negotiate copies, but now, even an individual can buy a BS bpo. ISK and wealth in EVE is not spread regionally, its concentrated in individuals and powerful corporations who effectively control the market.
Zydrine has inflated four and a half times the normal npc price, Megacyte was as high as almost 20k earlier this year and has thankfully fallen to around 6-6.5k. Iso is up, nocx is up, pyrite is up, only mex has fallen.
As corporations grow and expand, empire is being mined out, the ore rate of growth is simply not enough to keep up. These things all have a knock on effect to the price of ships, ammo and mods.
Wars boost the economy by creating a demand in ships but also boost the prices of mega/zyd as there is less people to mine it and bring it safely back to empire thus the price goes up ridiculously.
In certain regions where there are no wars, there is no reason for mega and zyd to be so high. But no one will sell for less when they can make more. Driving down the price of mins back to NPC levels takes a unified effort and much co-operation between corporations and traders.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.09 23:46:00 -
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I never think MOAS's were that much. THe MOA was 6 million or so back when they first came out. They were regarded as the best cruiser back then also. Not alot of people had enough money to buy a cruiser so the prices of 5 or 6 7 8 million was alot.
10+ million for a cruiser? Never. And I have been playing since day 1 of retail. But then again people always arent so bright so anything is possible.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.09 23:46:00 -
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I never think MOAS's were that much. THe MOA was 6 million or so back when they first came out. They were regarded as the best cruiser back then also. Not alot of people had enough money to buy a cruiser so the prices of 5 or 6 7 8 million was alot.
10+ million for a cruiser? Never. And I have been playing since day 1 of retail. But then again people always arent so bright so anything is possible.
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2004.07.09 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Procion Edited by: Procion on 09/07/2004 22:49:10 in beta npc prices for ships were really high ,225m+ for a battleship that was back when there were no blueprints ingame apart from for ammo one's i think the only corps who managed to get a battleship in the last stage of beta was omega corp and rus corp
I remember having a BS in the last stages of beta. The last day to be exact. Many flew BS that day _____________
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2004.07.09 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Procion Edited by: Procion on 09/07/2004 22:49:10 in beta npc prices for ships were really high ,225m+ for a battleship that was back when there were no blueprints ingame apart from for ammo one's i think the only corps who managed to get a battleship in the last stage of beta was omega corp and rus corp
I remember having a BS in the last stages of beta. The last day to be exact. Many flew BS that day _____________
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