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Chris Tao
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Posted - 2008.11.22 23:54:00 -
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I cant really understand the purpose of that ship. What can a 1.2bil vinicator do that a 300 mill navy mega cant`?
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Luftt
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Posted - 2008.11.23 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Luftt on 23/11/2008 00:06:27 it has an extra mid slow which gives it an advantage in pvp. it also doesnt suffer from the cap loss when MWD is equipped. you also get a 25% dmg bonus to hybrids without having BS 5.
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Katana Seiko
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.23 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Katana Seiko on 23/11/2008 00:49:31 Good point... I'll have a vindicator please. --- "Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign for a diseased mind." -Terry Pratchett |
IHaveTenFingers
Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.23 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Luftt
it has an extra mid slow which gives it an advantage in pvp.
What advantage would that be? You can have your cookie cutter MWD + point + web + cap booster on a navy megathron. Let's not forget that the navy megathron also has an extra lowslot for one more magstab.
Quote: it also doesnt suffer from the cap loss when MWD is equipped.
Although this actually translates to a cap INCREASE now, it still does not give a real clear advantage, considering cap stability is derived from cap boosters.
Quote: You also get a 25% dmg bonus to hybrids without having BS 5.
You would fly any battleship, let alone a navy / faction BS without the approporate spaceship commands at 5?
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OK USA
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Posted - 2008.11.23 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: OK USA on 23/11/2008 03:48:57
Originally by: IHaveTenFingers
Originally by: Luftt
it has an extra mid slow which gives it an advantage in pvp.
What advantage would that be? You can have your cookie cutter MWD + point + web + cap booster on a navy megathron. Let's not forget that the navy megathron also has an extra lowslot for one more magstab. ECCM or a sensor booster.
Quote: it also doesnt suffer from the cap loss when MWD is equipped.
Although this actually translates to a cap INCREASE now, it still does not give a real clear advantage, considering cap stability is derived from cap boosters. I don't know about you but I will take a cap increase over a decrease anyday
Quote: You also get a 25% dmg bonus to hybrids without having BS 5.
You would fly any battleship, let alone a navy / faction BS without the approporate spaceship commands at 5?
I actually would, im not going to spend like 60 days just to get into a BS.
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Pilk
Blade.
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Posted - 2008.11.23 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: OK USA Edited by: OK USA on 23/11/2008 03:48:57
Originally by: IHaveTenFingers
Originally by: Luftt
it has an extra mid slow which gives it an advantage in pvp.
What advantage would that be? You can have your cookie cutter MWD + point + web + cap booster on a navy megathron. Let's not forget that the navy megathron also has an extra lowslot for one more magstab. ECCM or a sensor booster.
Quote: it also doesnt suffer from the cap loss when MWD is equipped.
Although this actually translates to a cap INCREASE now, it still does not give a real clear advantage, considering cap stability is derived from cap boosters. I don't know about you but I will take a cap increase over a decrease anyday
Quote: You also get a 25% dmg bonus to hybrids without having BS 5.
You would fly any battleship, let alone a navy / faction BS without the approporate spaceship commands at 5?
I actually would, im not going to spend like 60 days just to get into a BS.
Why are we posting in bold?
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Morgan La'Chance
Caldari Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.11.23 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Chris Tao I cant really understand the purpose of that ship. What can a 1.2bil vinicator do that a 300 mill navy mega cant`?
Navy Megas used to cost 800 million.
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Spike 68
Retrofitted Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.11.23 06:31:00 -
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vindicator > navy thron > vindicator if you dont know why you shouldnt fly one anyway so the reasons are of no use to you.
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Spike 68
Retrofitted Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.11.23 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: IHaveTenFingers
Although this actually translates to a cap INCREASE now.
It used to if you had Minmatar bs 5.
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Mirei Jun
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Posted - 2008.11.23 08:55:00 -
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This ship was awesome... before the speed changes. Now its value has waned. This is mainly due to the fact that any battleship with an MWD cannot attain enough speed to close in on a target quickly.
Additonally, when pilotted by someone with Gal Battleship Level 5, it is in no way better then a normal Thron. . Instead of spending 1B on a Vindi just buy a high quality faction or complex MWD (and have plenty of isk left over). Or, if you want the extra mid just go for a Hyperion.
The developers have their focus on other areas of the game so I won't hold my breath waiting for this ship to be "fixed".
Maybe if they get really cheap I will fly one just for cool black and green motif.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.23 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mirei Jun Additonally, when pilotted by someone with Gal Battleship Level 5, it is in no way better then a normal Thron.
Besides that irrelevant extra midslot, more hp and better agility you mean? Boink! |
Mirei Jun
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Posted - 2008.11.24 02:57:00 -
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Such things aren't worth the 900M in cost -Especially when the purpouse this ship was designed for is no longer a valid game tactic.
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Miss KillSome
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.26 12:39:00 -
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well, apart for exta mid slot for eccm, i dont think vindi is worth that much of a price. Navy megas go for 280mil and have one extra LOW slot, which is way more important if u really wanna gank fit mega (which is only viable setup this days..either u melt them or they orbit u at 9km and slowly eat u down..) ----- TCODA corporation is recruiting! TCODA is awesome! |
Laice
Caldari Judicial Blade Novus Aevum
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Posted - 2008.11.27 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Miss KillSome well, apart for exta mid slot for eccm, i dont think vindi is worth that much of a price. Navy megas go for 280mil and have one extra LOW slot, which is way more important if u really wanna gank fit mega (which is only viable setup this days..either u melt them or they orbit u at 9km and slowly eat u down..)
If your finding a navy mega at 280 mil check the contract again, its most likely a scam with a normal megathron for sale and a ludicrous price, ~500 mil you should be looking for. If its too good to be true it is.
Regards Laice
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Puk Jinn
Tempestas Oriens Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.11.27 08:10:00 -
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Quote: If your finding a navy mega at 280 mil check the contract again, its most likely a scam with a normal megathron for sale and a ludicrous price, ~500 mil you should be looking for. If its too good to be true it is.
that¦s not true.. 300 +/- is the normal price since months.
cheers Mr.Jinn
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sliver 0xD
exiles. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2008.11.27 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: sliver 0xD on 27/11/2008 12:16:00
Originally by: ElCoCo
Originally by: Mirei Jun Additonally, when pilotted by someone with Gal Battleship Level 5, it is in no way better then a normal Thron.
Besides that irrelevant extra midslot, more hp and better agility you mean?
elcoco knows his game :)
for me i use the vindicator and the navy mega totaly difrent.
the navy mega is a tanker. fitt it with huge passive tank with slaves. makeing it slow but able to last. a perfect cheap solution when you want to upgrade your mega. realy hot bait!
the vindicator is a more agile ship. i would go with double armor rep and hardening. this will make the hp low but with the agility and speed high. the active tank you should be a great to last for a while.
i think the price difrence is in the fact that navy isue ships are no longer hard to get. every nub can get one from his agent. where the vindicator no longer is being droped by a static 10/10 plex.
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Tanx0r
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Posted - 2008.12.04 16:54:00 -
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Chelm's large armor rep has "designed for vindicators" printed on the bottom of it.
Of all the faction ships this one and the machariel suffered most from the latest patches. Currently I happily fly a tachyon fitted nightmare. I think nightmares are the only current faction bs that are still better then marauder class ships for damage.
Either way you're flying blob magnet with any of them.
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OK USA
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Posted - 2008.12.05 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: OK USA Edited by: OK USA on 23/11/2008 03:48:57
Originally by: IHaveTenFingers
Originally by: Luftt
it has an extra mid slow which gives it an advantage in pvp.
What advantage would that be? You can have your cookie cutter MWD + point + web + cap booster on a navy megathron. Let's not forget that the navy megathron also has an extra lowslot for one more magstab. ECCM or a sensor booster.
Quote: it also doesnt suffer from the cap loss when MWD is equipped.
Although this actually translates to a cap INCREASE now, it still does not give a real clear advantage, considering cap stability is derived from cap boosters. I don't know about you but I will take a cap increase over a decrease anyday
Quote: You also get a 25% dmg bonus to hybrids without having BS 5.
You would fly any battleship, let alone a navy / faction BS without the approporate spaceship commands at 5?
I actually would, im not going to spend like 60 days just to get into a BS.
Why are we posting in bold?
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So you dont complain you cant read it when I have my text underneath his and its not bold?
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Stitcher
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2008.12.05 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 05/12/2008 22:43:16 IT'S BLACK, SHINY AND SCARY-LOOKING
totally worth the extra ISK, imo.
On a side note, the last time I ran into one of those things it massacred five battleships before we brought it down, solo. would have been three, but nobody bothered to pop the drones. -
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Nikolae Varius
Amarr Exiled. Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.12.06 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 05/12/2008 22:43:16 On a side note, the last time I ran into one of those things it massacred five battleships before we brought it down, solo. would have been three, but nobody bothered to pop the drones.
wut.
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Torhas
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 05/12/2008 22:43:16 IT'S BLACK, SHINY AND SCARY-LOOKING
totally worth the extra ISK, imo.
On a side note, the last time I ran into one of those things it massacred five battleships before we brought it down, solo. would have been three, but nobody bothered to pop the drones.
5 noobs you mean.
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Torhas
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 06:00:00 -
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Edited by: Torhas on 10/12/2008 06:00:46 DMG ? Kronos > Navy Meg > Vindi
Active Tank ? Kronos > Navy Meg > Vindi
Passive Tank ? Navy Meg > Vindi > Kronos
Price ? Vindi ~1B > Kronos ~600m > Navy Meg ~300m
See my point ?
No Vindi doesn't worth his price anymore.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.10 06:43:00 -
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Gank Kronos. I'll pwn a Vind anyday. xD
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