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Ibayd Te'Jori	Posted - 2008.11.23 17:52:00 - [1] I am looking to raise 20billion isk via 20 (twenty) 1 billion isk bonds to expand my current capital production by mid December. This isk will be used to purchase the capital component bpos I do not own, a full set of carrier bpos and shore up capital for mineral purchases. ROI is 5% monthly with the first payout scheduled for March 1st. Bonds will be repurchased for 110% face value if before March 1st and 105% after. The delay on interest is to allow time for research and an entire month of full production and sales before depressing the available mineral capital. I expect to be able to repurchased all bonds by September although I reserve the right to repurchase any bond at any time. Without a history in this forum or a public name in the game I do not know what sort of legitimacy I can lend to this offering. Any interested investors will be given references that will hopefully relieve any doubts. I will also be happy to submit to an audit. The investment itself is pretty foolproof. Component BPOs will remain in highsec, at a NPC station. Ship BPOs will be transfered once to lowsec and stay in an NPC station. If the market tanks, BPOs and minerals can be liquidated to buy back all bonds. I plan to remain in an npc corp to insulate myself from wardecs. The rate of return is not exceptional by any means, but it is significantly higher than an EBANK savings account. Any questions/comments/feedback is appretiated though I would ask any potential investors contact me through EVEmail.
Sikozu Prioris Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2008.11.23 17:55:00 - [2] Just no.
Packtu'sa Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp	Posted - 2008.11.23 18:03:00 - [3] Selling high-priced bonds is something I personally like to see (instead of folks who sell bonds at 1m/ea. or something) but a 1bn price tag for a single bond is a bit prohibitively high. What is your existing business? Details are needed here. Keeping payouts withheld until a later date typically is looked down upon here because it only encourages scams, even if not premeditated. If you "reserve the right to repurchase any bond at any time" you are effectively attaching a call option with no specified call dates. This means you could strategically purchase bonds to avoid paying a month's interest. It's great that you are willing to submit to an audit, but that's really not good enough. You'll need to have already spoken to an auditor and submitted your information to them before you post here. Ideally, they're ready to make their report as soon as you post. To say that the investment is 'foolproof' is hardly true. How will you secure mineral transport? How will you secure BPO transport? If the market tanks, you'll be able to liquidate minerals favorably, but how will you liquidate the blueprints? If the carrier or component markets become unprofitable, selling those blueprints will be quite tough. To compare yourself to EBANK really doesn't help you. An EBANK account allows you to make withdrawals and deposits on demand and the interest payments are made daily. EBANK also offers a set of other services (like loans et cetera) which make it a more attractive product. It is not, however, in the same lineup as investment products. It's best if questions are asked and answered here. Confidentiality will only hurt you. Packtu'sa [NCIC] Founder/CEO, Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.11.23 18:21:00 - [4] My first question: Why are you hiding your main? To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
Ibayd Te'Jori	Posted - 2008.11.23 18:36:00 - [5] -The high value bond is to lower my overall paperwork. Twenty potential people I need to answer to is a lot less intimidating than two hundred. I also think it's possible, but if I get less than expected response I may need to try smaller amounts. -Sorry if it wasn't clear. I am expanding my capital production. I produce capital ships albiet for little profit as I own very few of the bpos. Currently it's to order and the alliance I am associated with supplies me with all the business I can handle. -There is a close to 35% profit margin on capitals at current mineral prices with blueprint cost excluded. -At PE 0 dreads/carriers build in just under 12 days. That is 2.5 per owned print a month. Ideally. -I am withholding payouts because I am buying capital ship bpo's which take a fair amount of time to research. Since it was a long-term investment (september seems pretty longterm to me), I thought it more prudent to hold onto capital and stockpile capital components during the research time rather than pay it back as interest. That is why I offered the higher buyback. It is not equal to 1/2 of December and January without interest, but it is close. If this is really a problem, I will consider changing it to pay interest beginning February 1st. I hope the above explains my hesitation in doing that. -I probably worded the foolproof investment badly. In so far as the initial 20billion losing value, the chances are slim to none. The capital market is going no where and unless CCP decreases the npc cost for these blueprints, their value will not decrease. I see no chance of getting ganked in a freighter in highsec with recent concord changes. I will debate this all day. There is a chance I could lose a freighter moving capital components to lowsec, however the politics of the region and history dictate it will not be a problem. Details can be discussed in private. -I was only comparing the Rate of Return to an EBANK Saving accounts Rate of Return. I recognize EBANK has a lot going for it that I don't. I am more than happy to talk to anyone about details via private convo or EVEmail and will continue to answer questions here as I notice them.
Valoche Mrehl	Posted - 2008.11.23 18:41:00 - [6] Ibayd is my main in so far as he has more SP than I do and handles everything dealing with industry/carebearing. Join SONE-public for a wee bit of evidence showing he isn't some random alt. He is in an npc corp because he gets a pass on wardecs that way and I haul a LOT of minerals.
Monkey Saturday Unknown Soldiers Soldiers Of New Eve	Posted - 2008.11.23 19:14:00 - [7] I'll buy one.
Xabier THE SORORITY CODE RED ALLIANCE	Posted - 2008.11.23 19:42:00 - [8] Care to give more details on your current operation and identify your main. Xabiers Capital Bond #1 Xabiers Capital Bond #2
Ibayd Te'Jori Perkone	Posted - 2008.11.23 19:59:00 - [9] As stated by Valoche Mrehl, this is my main in regards to industry/manufacturing/missions/highsec etc. He is also the highest sp character I own. I spend most of my time online in Ibayd. He is in an npc corp to keep his freighter safe from wardecs. I appretiate that might not be good enough so I posted with Valoche Mrehl who links me to a specific corp and a specific alliance. Granted, not the corp or alliance I do any building with, but I do not see drawing more attention to my capital production, in regards to logistics, to be at all beneficial. I do not want to tempt griefers. SONE-Public channel will also show that Ibayd is not some recent face. Yes, I could have made that channel yesturday and yes my being a moderator of a public channel does not make me qualified to run this operation. However in any investment there has to be some level of trust. My business is building capitals. As stated above, I currently produce capitals to order. My manufacturing capabilities with the component blueprint market allows me to churn out ten odd capitals a month but it's a serious isk drain purchasing capital component copies and ship blueprint copies. Not to mention the time drain running around picking up all those copies, trying to contact blueprint copy salesmen, chasing down Sale Order forum posters, dealing with supply and demand, watching prices quadruple because of orcas... There are so many positives to owning all pieces of the capital construction chain, I cant believe I built those other ships before trying to raise the isk :P
Xabier THE SORORITY CODE RED ALLIANCE	Posted - 2008.11.23 20:03:00 - [10] Edited by: Xabier on 23/11/2008 20:03:37 Originally by: Ibayd Te'Jori There are so many positives to owning all pieces of the capital construction chain, I cant believe I built those other ships before trying to raise the isk :P Neither can I. Xabiers Capital Bond #1 Xabiers Capital Bond #2
Estel Arador Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.23 20:06:00 - [11] Can't you raise the isk needed for the BPO's within your alliance?
Ibayd Te'Jori Perkone	Posted - 2008.11.23 20:11:00 - [12] I can raise some (Thanks monkey!) and I hope to get others to invest, but after asking around, there simply wasn't 20billion in liquid assets that people could loan. That or they lied to me :-( I wanted to raise the money in house. Tried to, but no go. Your alliance hiring? ;-)
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.11.23 20:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Xabier Edited by: Xabier on 23/11/2008 20:03:37 Originally by: Ibayd Te'Jori There are so many positives to owning all pieces of the capital construction chain, I cant believe I built those other ships before trying to raise the isk :P Neither can I. I see what you did there
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.11.23 20:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Ibayd Te'Jori -The high value bond is to lower my overall paperwork. Twenty potential people I need to answer to is a lot less intimidating than two hundred. I also think it's possible, but if I get less than expected response I may need to try smaller amounts. Just issue shares and the paperwork won't be an issue, it really does make dividends easy. If you're worried about people controlling votes in your corp or not having a suitable corp then roll a fresh alt and have him make a holding corp expressly for that purpose. It worked well for Kwint Industries. As far as having 200 people to answer to, most will still invest large sums. I for instance threw 5B at an IPO last month and I think EBANK took 9B of it. Plus, most investors never ask questions and in the rare event that they do want something unreasonable tell them 'no' and offer to buy back their shares at face value. With Kwint Industries I get about 3 requests a month, most of which are along the lines of handling a bond sale and I've never turned one down. Getting your IPO vetted by the community is brutal and it has to be because of the high scam rate but you'll be surprised how little attention you get once it's up and running.
Ibayd Te'Jori Perkone	Posted - 2008.11.23 20:44:00 - [15] I would still like to keep the bonds at the 1 billion mark. If I am unable to raise sufficient capital I will speak to current bond holders and split bonds into smaller denominations. Right now it's not a priority.
little sis Amarr At Swords' Points Soldiers Of New Eve	Posted - 2008.11.23 22:03:00 - [16] I will vouch for Ibayd as I have been doing lots of trades and even let him a Orca BPO for a week (rented of course). This is not a scam. Check my corps contracts if you don't believe me.
Mr Horizontal Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.23 22:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Ibayd Te'Jori -Sorry if it wasn't clear. I am expanding my capital production. I produce capital ships albiet for little profit as I own very few of the bpos. Currently it's to order and the alliance I am associated with supplies me with all the business I can handle. -There is a close to 35% profit margin on capitals at current mineral prices with blueprint cost excluded. -At PE 0 dreads/carriers build in just under 12 days. That is 2.5 per owned print a month. Ideally. Why and how will you succeed where others who are very trustworthy have failed? Originally by: Ibayd Te'Jori -I am withholding payouts because I am buying capital ship bpo's which take a fair amount of time to research. Since it was a long-term investment (september seems pretty longterm to me), I thought it more prudent to hold onto capital and stockpile capital components during the research time rather than pay it back as interest. That is why I offered the higher buyback. It is not equal to 1/2 of December and January without interest, but it is close. If this is really a problem, I will consider changing it to pay interest beginning February 1st. I hope the above explains my hesitation in doing that. Sorry, I simply don't understand how, if you know so much and are doing so well in capitals, why you can't use your current success to pay investors and use the inherent value you will gain from utilising the new capital to increase the size of your business. Equally if you're in it for the long term, then consistent ROI every month should be the least we expect, but this would make it an IPO versus a bond, in which case you have undersold yourself even more than otherwise in your writeup - especially in the wake of the recent resurgence in the market which have all pretty much been very well written. Originally by: Ibayd Te'Jori -I was only comparing the Rate of Return to an EBANK Saving accounts Rate of Return. I recognize EBANK has a lot going for it that I don't Considering that EBANK had structured its rates specifically so it wouldn't interfere with the bond/IPO market, and the fact our plans for the near future are very public knowledge, I find this a little shortsighted. Equally, even the most hard-nosed veterans in here can barely get 4% ROI. And when you think that only 9 months ago, 7% ROI was the 'norm', this is the kind of territory you need to be able to afford to pay investors and make it worthwhile for yourself. If you get under 5%, you're lucky. Sorry but first the fact this is to do with capitals (a known graveyard of investments) and the fact you've been a little too keen with your expectations, shows too much lack of due diligence and research into investors requirements and in all likelihood from the evidence provided, the market you'll be dealing in. /autofail. Chairman \| www.eve-bank.net
Ibayd Te'Jori Perkone	Posted - 2008.11.23 23:18:00 - [18] -I don't understand the comparison to Cyberdyne. Naive and ill-informed as I am, I do not know the history of their corporation. How will I succeed? As stated in previous posts, the capital market is not going anywhere and the numbers show large profits. Even if the profits are meager, the ROI is still achievable. -I do not understand where you got the presumption I was "doing so well" with capitals. I have built a number of capitals, but it has been a royal pain in the bum with a lot of wasted time as described in above posts. I am planning to reinvest my earnings from previous capital by buying up any unfilled bonds and if that's not an issue using the extra capital to buy more minerals and maintain buy orders. The rest of that paragraph is really beyond me. A ROI is the least of an investors concerns in a long term bond? I don't follow. -As for the EBANK comparison, I don't know what else to say. I was not comparing EBANK to this bond offer in anyway other than to compare the number 3 (% profit on a savings account) to the number 5 (% ROI on this bond). I even note in the first post that it is not exceptional. I was hoping to find some investors who simply sit on their isk earning lowly interest or nothing. Idle funds. I cannot compete with the rate of return an active trader can get or even a larger business like Xabier's. The ROI was selected because it was a total I felt would be easily attainable each month as well as supplying extra gains so as to give me a means of buying back the bonds within the timeframe. If you do not like the above offer, please be my guest and do not invest. If you have any more questions, comments or concerns, please keep them coming. If you're trolling, please stop.
Uagen Zlepe Unknown Soldiers Soldiers Of New Eve	Posted - 2008.11.23 23:34:00 - [19] Id like to reserve one bond AKA Sahra Baker/Necronom
Mameu	Posted - 2008.11.23 23:45:00 - [20] I'd like to get 2 of those.
Panzer Trek Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.11.23 23:48:00 - [21] Edited by: Panzer Trek on 23/11/2008 23:49:53 i will pay for one, i dont need the isk really. so id lyk to see it pan out and have a nice little income every month.
Xabier THE SORORITY CODE RED ALLIANCE	Posted - 2008.11.24 00:04:00 - [22] Personally I don't know why you don't take a loan option as the rates your likely to get will be lower then the rates you'll have to offer to get outside investment. Xabiers Capital Bond #1 Xabiers Capital Bond #2
Sikozu Prioris Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2008.11.24 00:51:00 - [23] Edited by: Sikozu Prioris on 24/11/2008 00:52:17 Originally by: Xabier Personally I don't know why you don't take a loan option as the rates your likely to get will be lower then the rates you'll have to offer to get outside investment. Exactly. The vast majority of the capital can be locked down, making it a partially secured bond (if you are dead set on a bond that is, otherwise get a partially secured loan from a bank). Make a corp, for in which all the blueprints can be locked down in the stations you manufacture. You would have to get a md-trusted person on board to be the ceo of that corp to lock down the bpo's and arguably he might want a small % of profit for doing so, or simply a free bond or two in the bond. If you can't trust someone we would trust to lock down the bpo's then why should anyone invest?
Ibayd Te'Jori Perkone	Posted - 2008.11.24 01:06:00 - [24] Yes, I had not considered BMBE and, again, thank you for the tip. I plan to talk to Tornsoul when I see him on next. While I am not opposed to locking the bpo's in theory, having to form a corp would detract from the major benefit of an NPC corp: wardec protection. The other option that has been offered is having BMBE or similar lock down the BPO's themselves and do the production for me. This would work great if they are willing to do the production near my base of operations and work (somewhat) to my schedule. Otherwise the logistics become tedious and production time will potentially be lost. I am not 100% sure how this would work out and I do plan to speak with a BMBE rep to figure out just that. Neither of the above is, imho, better then having the BPOs under my control in my base of operations available when minerals are there and build slots are open. Does Chribba need my login info?
Amarr Citizen 155 Tleilex Developments	Posted - 2008.11.24 01:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Ibayd Te'Jori Does Chribba need my login info? Man, that statement alone makes me want to toss massive amounts of isk at this guy. Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Xabier THE SORORITY CODE RED ALLIANCE	Posted - 2008.11.24 01:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Ibayd Te'Jori Neither of the above is, imho, better then having the BPOs under my control in my base of operations available when minerals are there and build slots are open. Alas for most investors you having sole control over any assets and remaining in a NPC corp is an unacceptable risk. Not to say you can't achieve your goals here, just that you may find it difficult. Xabiers Capital Bond #1 Xabiers Capital Bond #2
Ibayd Te'Jori Perkone	Posted - 2008.11.24 21:35:00 - [27] 14/20 still available as of this morning. Please feel free to convo/message me in game to get full details of the business plan, answer any questions you might have etc.
Auri Hella Downwind Trading Guild	Posted - 2008.11.24 23:00:00 - [28] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Ibayd Te'Jori Does Chribba need my login info? Man, that statement alone makes me want to toss massive amounts of isk at this guy.
Gerdan BloodELF Shade.	Posted - 2008.11.24 23:48:00 - [29] i will take one bond a good guy by all account's
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2008.11.25 10:56:00 - [30] Without the component BPOs being locked down somewhere safe, I see this as being too high risk for the stated return. I'd be willing to discuss putting forward one of my corps to hold, lock down, research and manufacture from these BPOs.

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