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Hesidak Uroboroon Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 10	Posted - 2012.04.08 22:51:00 - [1] - Quote I loved fanfest this year, but there was only one thing that dissapointed me and that was the public speaking skills of some of the presenters. Now don't think for one second that this is making me not love fanfest and eve and everything related to it in all of its entirety, but some people watching recordings on youtube and the rest of the lawless void called the internet might be thrown from eve because they can't take a presenter seriously because they can't speak in front of a crowd. Just some advice, because i have seen some nasty comments on the youtube recordings of fanfest presentations about the speaking skills of some presenters, and even though most of the people you find on youtube are idiots they may have been potential players before they saw that.
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 743	Posted - 2012.04.08 22:55:00 - [2] - Quote protip: Neckbeards should remain in their basements, and have no place speaking in front of a real life audience in a promotional capacity. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Shalia Ripper 116	Posted - 2012.04.08 22:57:00 - [3] - Quote Hesidak Uroboroon wrote: I loved fanfest this year, but there was only one thing that dissapointed me and that was the public speaking skills of some of the presenters. Now don't think for one second that this is making me not love fanfest and eve and everything related to it in all of its entirety, but some people watching recordings on youtube and the rest of the lawless void called the internet might be thrown from eve because they can't take a presenter seriously because they can't speak in front of a crowd. Just some advice, because i have seen some nasty comments on the youtube recordings of fanfest presentations about the speaking skills of some presenters, and even though most of the people you find on youtube are idiots they may have been potential players before they saw that. Are they professional public speakers/actors? No. What a moronic complaint. If someone is turned off of EvE because a programmer/marketer/CEO is not a polished speaker, screw em. We don't want them to be TED speakers, we want a good game from them. If they were great speakers and bad game designers/artists/coffee fetchers, we would all be playing something else. Get it now? Why can't I just delete my signature CCP? WHYYYYYYY?
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 756	Posted - 2012.04.08 23:43:00 - [4] - Quote I have no problem watching people being nervous during public speaking. Lets all start making fun of people displaying normal emotions.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 123	Posted - 2012.04.08 23:50:00 - [5] - Quote Shalia Ripper wrote: Are they professional public speakers/actors? No. What a moronic complaint. If someone is turned off of EvE because a programmer/marketer/CEO is not a polished speaker, screw em. We don't want them to be TED speakers, we want a good game from them. If they were great speakers and bad game designers/artists/coffee fetchers, we would all be playing something else. Get it now? Yeah I understand nerdy computer geeks are the stereotypical poor public speaker. But don't tell me that there isn't a single person who works on EVE and knows the gameplay that can give a competent presentation. I mean have you seen kil2 and other players commentating on the alliance tournament? They are light years ahead of the CCP presenters and I'd wager kil2 knows 10x more about EVE than any CCP developer. Some presentations were great, CCP Sreegs for one, compare his stuff to some of the others. Some of the presentations given by CCP were downright embarrassing for a professional company. No seriously, if anyone were to give that presentation in college or even high school for a project, they'd fail. It's 2012 and CCP employees don't know how to work powerpoint or speak to a group of people and even worse CCP puts those people onto a giant video stage facepalm. And the fact that people paid to see such horribly unprepared presentations, that's a ripoff CCP.
Emiko Luan Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire 54	Posted - 2012.04.08 23:57:00 - [6] - Quote Your tears are delicious. +welcome to my world+ http://venomzer0.deviantart.com
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 94	Posted - 2012.04.09 00:04:00 - [7] - Quote You're right. Resign Hilmar!! Never too late to make amends for Incarna. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita.
Snowflake Tem The Order of Symbolic Measures 66	Posted - 2012.04.09 00:17:00 - [8] - Quote non judgement wrote: I have no problem watching people being nervous during public speaking. Lets all start making fun of people displaying normal emotions. I don't either - but paying for a public speaking seminars for those that want it could boost confidence all round. besides, there is no harm in adding another string to their skill queue... don't underestimate the power of fine oratory, it has moved civilisations.
D3F4ULT 25	Posted - 2012.04.09 00:28:00 - [9] - Quote I'd rather have the honest opinion, expressions, and reactions of the developers themselves on a almost, one on one with the crowd. Not some rehearsed bullshit without real reactions. This is how fanfest has always worked. There was at least two presentations that the Speakers seemed to be either hungover pretty much or just blatantly didn't know what his presentation was about. Other than that, this years round of presentations were far more interesting for me to watch and certainly considering on getting the HD stream if I can't go next time around. Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs )
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 756	Posted - 2012.04.09 03:11:00 - [10] - Quote Snowflake Tem wrote: non judgement wrote: I have no problem watching people being nervous during public speaking. Lets all start making fun of people displaying normal emotions. I don't either - but paying for a public speaking seminars for those that want it could boost confidence all round. besides, there is no harm in adding another string to their skill queue... don't underestimate the power of fine oratory, it has moved civilisations. I'm not underestimating "the power of fine oratory". I'm just not expecting them to be more than what they are. If they were the leaders of our world, it would be nice if they had great command and grace, in front of a crowd. They are only game developers. I expect them to be great at making games, not public speaking.

Richard Hammond II Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 161	Posted - 2012.04.09 03:33:00 - [11] - Quote Snowflake Tem wrote: non judgement wrote: I have no problem watching people being nervous during public speaking. Lets all start making fun of people displaying normal emotions. I don't either - but paying for a public speaking seminars for those that want it could boost confidence all round. besides, there is no harm in adding another string to their skill queue... don't underestimate the power of fine oratory, it has moved civilisations. There was this guy, He was german.... GREAT speaker, not so great a guy tho Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Serene Repose Perkone Caldari State 554	Posted - 2012.04.09 04:01:00 - [12] - Quote Mark this up to the decline of the West. There was a time, oh so long ago, when one was required to obtain skill in penmanship and oratory - some modicum of public speaking ability. These were marks of accomplished people, and a standard one strove to meet during one's schooling. You're now in the midst of the self-indulgent generations who place the "I" before the "we." "Why should I be bothered to learn these things when my career as a computer geek will never require me to use them?" So, yes, we're supposed to be charmed by the awkward communication skills of those whose "genius" lies in other more "useful" areas. But, doesn't this view rather limit the expectations of potential? It's not as though people who know they're doing public presentations once a year couldn't take the time out to actually learn how to do it. It's not rocket science. It's just that they don't place emphasis on it as being significant...any old thing will do. Does it damage anything? If you place no importance on aesthetics, and are purely utilitarian in your outlook, probably not so you'd notice. If you've looked out your window lately and noticed Western Civ's habitations are a shade on the ugly side across the board, and wonder why, this aesthetic thing may have something to do with it. Speaking of YouTube...those people who do those homemade vids in their bedrooms or the room their computer happens to be in, are inadvertantly showing what really poor decorators they are. Mintchip, for instance, often has a bookcase behind her with all the books in a stack, or falling over. Once she had a drawer that wouldn't close 'cause some lacy thing was poking out of it. It's evidence they're not looking at their surroundings with an appraising eye, as though they're part of the whole. Yet, they are. Everyone's free to downplay it. "So what?" Or, to wonder why the complete picture is so far from the presenter's vision. Don't they think about what they're doing before they do it? Of course not. If you're a computer whiz, all you're worried about is did you get the camera to work? Is the sound coming through? But, you're using a camera to create a visual image. You're using the sound in the same way. Production values are intended to increase the aesthetic value of the image involved. So, we make our mark. Is it elegant, and beautiful? Dynamic? Powerful? "I am," comes the response, "'cause what I'm saying is so knowledgeable." Or, is it wall to wall aesthetic trash marking our place in cultural history as the ones who threw aesthetics out the window. I guess it all depends on standards of excellence. I wouldn't call CCP's contribution to aesthetic value "awesome." But, then, that's a word that gets tossed around so much it's lost its value, too. Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold
Senshi Hawk Occupational Hazzard Ushra'Khan 12	Posted - 2012.04.09 04:08:00 - [13] - Quote That's like saying you expect the women at Comicon to be as sexually attractive as the fantasy characters that they portray.
Serene Repose Perkone Caldari State 555	Posted - 2012.04.09 06:06:00 - [14] - Quote Senshi Hawk wrote: That's like saying you expect the women at Comicon to be as sexually attractive as the fantasy characters that they portray. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold
ctx2007 Wychwood and Wells 18	Posted - 2012.04.09 13:05:00 - [15] - Quote There was this guy, He was german.... GREAT speaker, not so great a guy tho[/quote] Actually this guy you speak of was Austrian by birth and a failed artist.
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1483	Posted - 2012.04.09 13:20:00 - [16] - Quote I have no problem with the way the presenters speak at Fanfest. For some of them English is not their primary language but I can understand them just fine and they do a great job of getting the information accross. What I do have a problem with is people "gulping" water every 5 seconds and trying to inhale the mic all the time. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
kakmonstret Domain Mining and Trading Corp 2	Posted - 2012.04.09 13:24:00 - [17] - Quote Ehh I have now seen the videos on youtube. Are the presentations skills laking here and there yes. Is it a serious problem? IMHO no! The message comes across and for me it's much more important that the right person presents something. The right person is the one that actually knows what he/she is talking about. What they say is much more important how they say it. This is not meant to be selling or convincing talks they are not running for president!!! Every time you ask for more "polish" you get less spontaneous communication and you increase the risk of devs saying "I won't do that presentation I'm not good enough for it". I would guess that already happens today with is a total shame. Demands like yours only risks to make fanfest less interesting. About the crap about training, well speaking in front of a lot of people is also very much a question of getting used to it. It may be news to you but doing several times at fanfest is a great way of doing that. Don't make fanfest worse by silly things like this, Youtubers being youtubers aren't news either they will always complain about this or that.
Prince Kobol 527	Posted - 2012.04.09 13:31:00 - [18] - Quote The only legit complaint anybody could about fanfest was the problems they were having with the mics when taking questions from the audience
AlleyKat The Unwanted. 220	Posted - 2012.04.09 14:00:00 - [19] - Quote Hesidak Uroboroon wrote: I loved fanfest this year, but there was only one thing that dissapointed me and that was the public speaking skills of some of the presenters. Now don't think for one second that this is making me not love fanfest and eve and everything related to it in all of its entirety, but some people watching recordings on youtube and the rest of the lawless void called the internet might be thrown from eve because they can't take a presenter seriously because they can't speak in front of a crowd. Just some advice, because i have seen some nasty comments on the youtube recordings of fanfest presentations about the speaking skills of some presenters, and even though most of the people you find on youtube are idiots they may have been potential players before they saw that. You mean...they were real human beings??!!?? I'll alert the village elders, you get the pitchforks. I won't have real human beings showing normal behavior when speaking in front of a crowd on my mother fuckin' watch! AK /AlleyKat Joins the Server. /AlleyKat n++pâçGòÉS+Ç Hesidak Uroboroon /Hesidak Uroboroon left the server GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGÇªindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002.
Shalia Ripper 118	Posted - 2012.04.10 06:00:00 - [20] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: blah blah blah Did you notice that the most polished speaker (the new Marketing guy) was the one that imparted the LEAST amount of useful information? Public speaking is not about education, it is about obfuscation. I was trained to speak publicly many years ago. When I decided to forget all I was taught I actually started getting actual points across. Unlike your ramblings. Why can't I just delete my signature CCP? WHYYYYYYY?

Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 203	Posted - 2012.04.10 08:04:00 - [21] - Quote So they may not be great at public speaking, but for most it's a learned skill and like any learned skill they'll get better with practice.
Mintchip North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion 61	Posted - 2012.04.10 12:10:00 - [22] - Quote I have little to no idea why I was used as an example in a post in this thread. Something about how I don't care about my surroundings? That makes little to no sense to me. I think Authenticity is one of the things that you get from actually hearing a dev talk about it. I am so sure that all who gave the presentations practiced, and wanted to talk about what they were going to talk about - but yes, maybe they do not have the best skills as a presenter. It's not about being self-indulgent. Removing a WE, i think it's just the opposite. Rather than putting on a "show" or giving the audience something that is fake, or contrived... you get what is truly there. Whether that be someone sitting in their room talking about something, or a nerdy dev explaining about what they've been working on for months. I think it's the decline in people who seem to expect perfection from anything they can get, rather than just listening and learning and appreciating the little things. I think audiences at times expect too much and are too selfish to realize that it's not all about them, but the idea and the thoughts that are there for the taking If the surroundings bother a person so much, or the speaker bothers them so much, maybe the person should stop and think that the world doesn't revolve around them haha xoxo Mint ps - but yeah some of the presenters were really hard to understand.
Snowflake Tem The Order of Symbolic Measures 67	Posted - 2012.04.11 08:50:00 - [23] - Quote non judgement wrote: Snowflake Tem wrote: non judgement wrote: I have no problem watching people being nervous during public speaking. Lets all start making fun of people displaying normal emotions. I don't either - but paying for a public speaking seminars for those that want it could boost confidence all round. besides, there is no harm in adding another string to their skill queue... don't underestimate the power of fine oratory, it has moved civilisations. I'm not underestimating "the power of fine oratory". I'm just not expecting them to be more than what they are. If they were the leaders of our world, it would be nice if they had great command and grace, in front of a crowd. They are only game developers. I expect them to be great at making games, not public speaking. Yeah, but they're all grown up now and playing with the big boys. I love honest and home grown too, but Fanfest has outgrown it, it absolutely will next year with the 10 year thing and alliance panel wariness. I fear you are being nostalgic for the good old days. CCP is truly international now and if it is not careful not far from becoming a Caldari megacorp.
Ciar Meara Virtus Vindice 581	Posted - 2012.04.11 09:46:00 - [24] - Quote Doing a presentation even on something you love and know alot about is quite stressing in a room full of people for some. Now try it in a room of a thousand people with thousands of people watching streaming and your boss watching your from the sidelines. Some of the guys certainly had it harder then others, but they'll only improve if they do more of them. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Mathias Hex Hillcrest Armaments 33	Posted - 2012.04.11 15:52:00 - [25] - Quote Snowflake Tem wrote: non judgement wrote: I have no problem watching people being nervous during public speaking. Lets all start making fun of people displaying normal emotions. I don't either - but paying for a public speaking seminars for those that want it could boost confidence all round. besides, there is no harm in adding another string to their skill queue... don't underestimate the power of fine oratory, it has moved civilisations. This. A two hour seminar would go along way for CCP devs. If your gonna present something to a world audience you should be able to complete a sentance without studdering every word especially when every other word is uh. It's not just CCP, every game developer presentation is kinda awfull! This type of behavior is acceptable from a baseball player. If your giving a presentation for a product your selling you should want your employees to say more than...uh ya uhh were working on it, um I dont know if I can share that uhhhhhhhhhhh sure ya thats cool. A public speaking seminar would definately smooth out the lag from being nervous. The women were all well spoken, perhaps they had seminars available and only the women attended. Next year I would make it mandatory. I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k.
J3ssica Alba Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 306	Posted - 2012.04.11 16:05:00 - [26] - Quote I prefer a dev that loves Eve and speaks about it with passion if not perfect english, than someone with perfect oratory skills and nothing else To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
J Kunjeh 390	Posted - 2012.04.11 16:11:00 - [27] - Quote Mintchip wrote: I have little to no idea why I was used as an example in a post in this thread. Something about how I don't care about my surroundings? That makes little to no sense to me. I read, and re-read that sentence like 5 times, but it still makes little to no sense to me. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á


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