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Skylia	Posted - 2008.11.27 01:14:00 - [1] Just curious. Lets say I got podded tommorw. (I'm just a 12mil SP Alt) and I had NO CLONE at all. Would I lose ALL my SP? A percentage, or how does it work. Someone asked in DCM chat today and no one really knew a definate answer. I'm curious to know the answer, but obviously I have a clone and will not test it out for myself Anyone know a definitive answer?
Rob Eagle eXtended Amarr Research 24	Posted - 2008.11.27 01:15:00 - [2] Edited by: Rob Eagle on 27/11/2008 01:15:37 -256,000 from your highest ranked level 5 skill. Also, you always have a Clone Grade Alpha anyway :)
knifee Caldari Euphoria Released	Posted - 2008.11.27 01:16:00 - [3] You lose a percentage of the difference between your SP and your clone. The SPs come off your highest trained skill. I cant remember the percentage though, I think its only 10%.
Skylia	Posted - 2008.11.27 01:18:00 - [4] Edited by: Skylia on 27/11/2008 01:23:51 Ahh i see. was about to say 256,000 would be 10% of my Caldari Freighter skill at lvl 5 (rank 10). Doesn't seem that bad. Still lost time none the less. Something that can never be made up Edit : So what would happen if some uber 70mil SP character pulled a super fail and got podded with no clone?? If it a percentage system? I'm talking NO CLONE at all. Not even an under graded clone. A super fail you got podded yesterday and forgot to buy a new one fail and got podded again today before grabbing a new one. Edit 2 : ahh didnt realize you always have a basic clone regardless. But still that only holds a couple mil no? (im not in a station with med bay to check) So if you had a clone that holds say 5mil. and got podded with 70 mil you would lose 10% of 65mil?
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2008.11.27 01:30:00 - [5] Edited by: Shar''Tuk TheHated on 27/11/2008 01:31:44 Originally by: Skylia Edited by: Skylia on 27/11/2008 01:23:51 Ahh i see. was about to say 256,000 would be 10% of my Caldari Freighter skill at lvl 5 (rank 10). Doesn't seem that bad. Still lost time none the less. Something that can never be made up Edit : So what would happen if some uber 70mil SP character pulled a super fail and got podded with no clone?? If it a percentage system? I'm talking NO CLONE at all. Not even an under graded clone. A super fail you got podded yesterday and forgot to buy a new one fail and got podded again today before grabbing a new one. Edit 2 : ahh didnt realize you always have a basic clone regardless. But still that only holds a couple mil no? (im not in a station with med bay to check) So if you had a clone that holds say 5mil. and got podded with 70 mil you would lose 10% of 65mil? If this happened I think the least of their worries is lost SP. That person might want to grab the helmet, they are about to miss the short bus... silly window licker.. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Skylia	Posted - 2008.11.27 01:34:00 - [6] Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated Stuff Oh I understand my situation is truly an epic fail, and is extremely rare. I'm just curious on the definitive formula without testing it first hand. I searched some other topics and the Eve site but I really found no full description or formula for the actual loss you would endure on such a fail level. Agree though forgetting to clone is basicly thumbing down the short bus
manfrog Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.11.27 01:48:00 - [7] 5 % of the highest ranking skill had to retrain BS lv 5 28 days of it anyway to big of a hurry to get back into the fight :) oooops ........... WoW that way ------->>>>
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc	Posted - 2008.11.27 01:49:00 - [8] Edited by: Farrellus Cameron on 27/11/2008 01:49:43 It depends on what skills you have you. It maxes out at whatever % of your most valuable skill, i.e., took the most time. If you had Gallente Titan V trained, it would take off like a good chunk of skill points from level V. But that's it. I believe that's the highest skill multiplier in the game at X16. Once you reach a certain amount of SP its effect is pretty much the same no matter how many you how many more SP you have. They make sure the loss isn't too devastating. ----------------------------------------------------
Skylia	Posted - 2008.11.27 01:55:00 - [9] I see, thanks bunches. so a % of your top skill. Gotcha. Ugh i'd hate to lose a chunk of freighter 5. (my highest skill hehe) My lesson of the day is complete.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.11.27 02:03:00 - [10] I'm........so.....startled....... It's so furry! Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Skylia	Posted - 2008.11.27 02:11:00 - [11] Originally by: An Anarchyyt I'm........so.....startled....... It's so furry! Hey now ! Some of us have teeth ! I have 1900 sp in missiles and i'm looking for YOU !
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2008.11.27 02:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Skylia Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated Stuff Oh I understand my situation is truly an epic fail, and is extremely rare. I'm just curious on the definitive formula without testing it first hand. I searched some other topics and the Eve site but I really found no full description or formula for the actual loss you would endure on such a fail level. Agree though forgetting to clone is basicly thumbing down the short bus What your asking about happened to this guy. Basically the goons told this guy he could join the goons. They killed him over and over at a outpost not allowing him to update his clone but tricking him to undock to get podded over and over. All this time they mocked him on T.S. There was a video of it not sure if its still up but may be in the thread. Goons being evil DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2008.11.27 03:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Skylia Edited by: Skylia on 27/11/2008 01:37:30 Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated Stuff Oh I understand my situation is truly an epic fail, and is extremely rare. I'm just curious on the definitive formula without testing it first hand. I searched some other topics and the Eve site but I really found no full description or formula for the actual loss you would endure on such a fail level. Agree though forgetting to clone is basicly thumbing down the short bus So can anyone actually give the definitive forumla Preview of a truly Extreme Epic Fail with Evil people. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Skylia	Posted - 2008.11.27 14:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated Originally by: Skylia Edited by: Skylia on 27/11/2008 01:37:30 Originally by: Shar'Tuk TheHated Stuff Oh I understand my situation is truly an epic fail, and is extremely rare. I'm just curious on the definitive formula without testing it first hand. I searched some other topics and the Eve site but I really found no full description or formula for the actual loss you would endure on such a fail level. Agree though forgetting to clone is basicly thumbing down the short bus So can anyone actually give the definitive forumla Preview of a truly Extreme Epic Fail with Evil people. "you guys are attacking me?" "attacking? no!? should be armor repairing" wow lol.
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2008.11.27 18:04:00 - [15] Yeah, though he SHOULD have known better. You still have to feel bad for the guy losing 1M SP. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!

CCP Prism X Gallente C C P	Posted - 2008.11.27 18:07:00 - [16] If you have more SPs than your current clone can handle and you are podded: The difference between your clone and your current SP is calculated and you lose X% of the difference from your last trained skill. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008.

Skylia	Posted - 2008.11.28 10:38:00 - [17] so it's taken from the most recent skill trained and not the highest ranked? I also assume (bad word i know) X% = 10% of the difference as stated above? Just curious of the exact mechanics is all. It shouldn't happen to me (at least I would think i'm smart enough for it not to ) I hope..
Estel Arador Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.28 10:47:00 - [18] I thought it was 5% of the skill you have most SP in; of course being contradicted by a dev makes me think I might be wrong.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.11.28 10:52:00 - [19] Edited by: Shadowsword on 28/11/2008 10:52:29 It happened to me once, years ago, and I lost 5% SP. You'll forgive me if I don't try it again to check if it's still the same amount. :p ------------------------------------------
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:08:00 - [20] It was 5% of the difference between what your clone covers and what you have taken from the highest ranked skill you have - not exceeding 1 level of the skill. however since PrismX has spoken then maybe it has changed ... I'll do a test on Sisi -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:12:00 - [21] Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 28/11/2008 11:14:14 Current SP minus Clone SP is answer. Take 5% of answer and substract this from the skill with the most skillpoints, but don't take more than 50% of those skillpoints. Been using this to confirm people's SP loss for the past 2 years and it was accurate to the minute. Edit: For the most people it turns out their max skill loss is 1,024,000 of the Battleship skill which is 15 to 20 days of training. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Current SP minus Clone SP is answer. Take 5% of answer and substract this from the skill with the most skillpoints, but don't take more than 50% of those skillpoints. Been using this to confirm people's SP loss for the past 2 years and it was accurate to the minute. A quick test on sisi = 5% of (Current SP - Clone SP) taken from the Skill with the most SP this can equal more than 50% of the Skill i.e. my industrial alt lost 97.5k from Advanced Mass production 5 taking it to 42% Done now I don't think I can arrange it so that I an loose more than 1 level ... -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
Krystal Demishy	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:47:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Prism X you lose X% X% ?? How is that one calculated? How can i know the value of 'my' x ?
Darth Vaders Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:48:00 - [24] I ll give you an example of a situation i witnessed long time ago at 00. There was a guy in our sector that said he had bought a character from E bay and that he had a Thanatos of which he ignored the value at that point and that last night he had lost it and that he just wanted to be left to go to a safer sector but he was trapped in the middle of 00. After countless of questions we realised he had no clone and in case of a podding he was revived into our station but he wasn't able to use the medical service so to be transfered to a safer system or upgrade his clone. So what happens in that situation? Is there no way for such a player to be transfered in empire somehow? Cause as things were described to me he would get Poded and be revived into OE-4HB station only to find out he can't use the medical service there so to transfer his next clone to somewhere safer.... Any clues?
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:56:00 - [25] Originally by: RaTTuS A quick test on sisi = 5% of (Current SP - Clone SP) taken from the Skill with the most SP this can equal more than 50% of the Skill i.e. my industrial alt lost 97.5k from Advanced Mass production 5 taking it to 42% Done now I don't think I can arrange it so that I an loose more than 1 level ... It's a rank 8 skill, so I assume you mean 975k sp. Capped at 50% means you can't lose more than 1024k sp when it's fully trained. If you lose 1024k you end up at 39% trained to level V. Running the same math for 975k gives me 42% done for level V. You're thinking 50% of skill level which for a rank 8 skill trained to level 5 would be: 2,048,000 - 362,040(level 1 to 4) / 2 = 842,980 I said it was 50% of the total skill which is: 2,048,000 /2 = 1,024,000 Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Jhagiti Tyran Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.28 11:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Darth Vaders I ll give you an example of a situation i witnessed long time ago at 00. There was a guy in our sector that said he had bought a character from E bay and that he had a Thanatos of which he ignored the value at that point and that last night he had lost it and that he just wanted to be left to go to a safer sector but he was trapped in the middle of 00. After countless of questions we realised he had no clone and in case of a podding he was revived into our station but he wasn't able to use the medical service so to be transfered to a safer system or upgrade his clone. So what happens in that situation? Is there no way for such a player to be transfered in empire somehow? Cause as things were described to me he would get Poded and be revived into OE-4HB station only to find out he can't use the medical service there so to transfer his next clone to somewhere safer.... Any clues? This is why its worth keeping at least one jump clone in a safe empire/low sec station with a medical bay.
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.28 12:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Washell Olivaw It's a rank 8 skill, so I assume you mean 975k sp. Capped at 50% means you can't lose more than 1024k sp when it's fully trained. If you lose 1024k you end up at 39% trained to level V. Running the same math for 975k gives me 42% done for level V. You're thinking 50% of skill level which for a rank 8 skill trained to level 5 would be: 2,048,000 - 362,040(level 1 to 4) / 2 = 842,980 I said it was 50% of the total skill which is: 2,048,000 /2 = 1,024,000 yeah 975k - 42% done <- that was my error thinking 42% is less than 50% IYSWIM [I know how it works and you are correct ] so we beat PrismX :-=P -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
Skylia	Posted - 2008.11.28 12:05:00 - [28] Edited by: Skylia on 28/11/2008 12:06:36 Originally by: Krystal Demishy Originally by: CCP Prism X you lose X% X% ?? How is that one calculated? How can i know the value of 'my' x ? yeah i was a bit miffed at that too hence my question to elaborate a bit more Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran This is why its worth keeping at least one jump clone in a safe empire/low sec station with a medical bay. advice noted and put into use
Glassback Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.28 12:17:00 - [29] Edited by: Glassback on 28/11/2008 12:17:21 Originally by: CCP Prism X If you have more SPs than your current clone can handle and you are podded: The difference between your clone and your current SP is calculated and you lose X% of the difference from your last trained skill. Nope, noob Dev. You lose a % of your highest trained skill. I lost 60% of Cap Ships V the other week (it's been at V for over a year)
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.28 12:21:00 - [30] Originally by: Glassback Nope, noob Dev. You lose a % of your highest trained skill. I lost 60% of Cap Ships V the other week (it's been at V for over a year) This is exactly it -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
Evelgrivion Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.28 12:35:00 - [31] IIRC, the absolute maximum SP loss you can take is 2,048,000 points.
Skylia	Posted - 2008.11.28 21:21:00 - [32] Ok so now we have a bunch of answers even some saying the dev is a noob. So what is the one true and correct answer?? lol
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.28 21:30:00 - [33] Originally by: Skylia Ok so now we have a bunch of answers even some saying the dev is a noob. So what is the one true and correct answer?? lol There's one sure and certain way to find out.
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.28 21:33:00 - [34] DOOOOOOO IT!
Vaugue Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.28 21:48:00 - [35] any volunteers !?
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.28 22:51:00 - [36] Originally by: manfrog 5 % of the highest ranking skill had to retrain BS lv 5 28 days of it anyway to big of a hurry to get back into the fight :) oooops same thing happened to me damn you FIX! Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.11.28 23:37:00 - [37] Originally by: Skylia Ok so now we have a bunch of answers even some saying the dev is a noob. So what is the one true and correct answer?? lol Mine is. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Marine HK4861 Caldari Radical Technologies	Posted - 2008.11.29 01:03:00 - [38] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Skylia Ok so now we have a bunch of answers even some saying the dev is a noob. So what is the one true and correct answer?? lol Mine is. You do realise that if we keep on rubbing it in, Prism X might change it in the next patch just to spite us? I can confirm Washell's calculations are correct as of the Revelations patch when I tested it then. If it's changed since, additional testing is required (which will get done when I have the hard drive space to do a Singularity installation).
Maglorre	Posted - 2008.11.29 11:20:00 - [39] Or you could look in the Knowledge Base article about this... Of course, the contents of the KB have been known to be wrong and those errors don't seem to be valid grounds for reimbursement, so YMMV.
Estel Arador Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.29 11:30:00 - [40] Originally by: Skylia Ok so now we have a bunch of answers even some saying the dev is a noob. So what is the one true and correct answer?? lol In case you thought my reply was contradicting the correct answer, I forgot to mention a tiny but crucial part but it's corrected now.

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