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Zumion
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Posted - 2008.11.28 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Zumion on 28/11/2008 23:08:30
Hi all,
Everyone tells me that you are not allowed to buy ISK (and I don't want to either).
But EVE allows selling of time codes for ISK. So surely all one has to do is buy a time code for 35 bucks and sell it for half a billion ISK?
In fact, offering the facility to sell timecodes for ISK is surely encouraging this?
Or have I missed something here?
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Karentaki
Gallente
Fighting While Intoxicated
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.11.28 23:27:00 -
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You are correct, CCP allows buying of ISK via that means, but that is only because it boosts subscriber numbers and makes them more money. Buying ISK via illegal means usually results in keyloggers, and your account being stolen, and CCP don't want the headache of dealing with that (in addition to lost subscribers), so they try to encourage those that do want to buy ISK to do it legally through them.
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Kachak
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.11.29 00:08:00 -
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confirming iskies r goode
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.29 01:43:00 -
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Buying Isk from CCP actually doesn't spawn more money ingame. What happens is you buy a 30 or 60 day time card and sell it (through CCP of course) to another player in exchange for an agreed amount of Isk.
No money is spawned ingame and the wealthy players are spending their ingame money to play EvE.
Remember though, unless it's through CCP, it's not legit. Buying Isk other than the method mentioned above is a violation of the EULA and CCP will come down hard on you for it.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.29 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zumion
Everyone tells me that you are not allowed to buy ISK (and I don't want to either).
Not directly for RL cash, no.
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But EVE allows selling of time codes for ISK.
Correct. You CAN buy ISK, but only in exchange for other player's subscription time.
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So surely all one has to do is buy a time code for 35 bucks and sell it for half a billion ISK?
More like 0.6 bil ISK
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In fact, offering the facility to sell timecodes for ISK is surely encouraging this?
Or have I missed something here?
Yes. You missed the fact it's limited per seller to amount needed to run their account "for free" (i.e. for ISK).
For the buyer, it's more expensive than buying from an (EULA-wise illegal) RMTer.
For the seller, it doesn't allow him to convert ISK into RL cash.
At most, the seller can play for free, and that's it.
No incentive to "ISK farm", since you can't make RL money from it.
No incentive to farm, no damage to the game.
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Baldour Ngarr
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.29 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
For the seller, it doesn't allow him to convert ISK into RL cash.
At most, the seller can play for free, and that's it.
So instead of 1.2 bill in his wallet and $0 in his bank account, he has 0ISK in his wallet and $70 in his bank account.
Exactly which part of "doesn't allow him to convert ISK into RL cash" did you think this was?
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Lucia Aurea
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.29 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
So instead of 1.2 bill in his wallet and $0 in his bank account, he has 0ISK in his wallet and $70 in his bank account.
Exactly which part of "doesn't allow him to convert ISK into RL cash" did you think this was?
While it's true that the seller enjoys a RL fiscal benefit from the transaction, it's limited to the amount he would have paid to play the game for a given time. He could have enjoyed the same fiscal benefit by suspending his subscription. The idea is that it's not a way to "farm" potentially unlimited ISK and convert it to RL cash, only to defer the cost of playing.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.11.29 21:39:00 -
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There are some people (e.g. lazy high school and college students) who have lots of time to play EVE but not a lot of RL money.
There are other people (e.g. hard-working adults) for whom $15 a month isn't a lot of money, but who do not have time to grind ISK to buy internet spaceships.
What the timecard system does is, it allows the latter to pay for the EVE subscriptions of the former, in exchange for in-game (imaginary) money. Therefore it makes the game accessible and fun to more people than would otherwise be possible. It's a win-win situation.
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Tranka Verrane
Public Venture Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.30 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Akita T
For the seller, it doesn't allow him to convert ISK into RL cash.
At most, the seller can play for free, and that's it.
So instead of 1.2 bill in his wallet and $0 in his bank account, he has 0ISK in his wallet and $70 in his bank account.
Exactly which part of "doesn't allow him to convert ISK into RL cash" did you think this was?
What the rules are intended to subvert is the possibility of making a real life income from my gaming. Even in the UK, suppose I was in receipt of state benefits or a student and able to both sell ISK for GTC and RL cash; a few years ago I could have easily made myself 10-20 pounds per day if I ran the game as a business, making 150-300 mill isk per day, supplememnting my income as well as a part time job and for much more fun.
The availability of being able to buy isk legitimately combined with the penalties for doing it illegally have driven down ISK prices to a point where anyone selling ISK directly does it for a pittance, and with the danger of having your account banned and therefore your entire flow cut off it is no longer worth it, hence the introduction of keyloggers and other such scams to make it worthwhile.
The upshot is that if you want to buy ISK it is now amazingly chreap to do so illegally, but also amazingly dangerous.
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Caelum Mortuos
Gallente
Zero G Research and Development
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Posted - 2008.12.01 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Akita T
For the seller, it doesn't allow him to convert ISK into RL cash.
At most, the seller can play for free, and that's it.
So instead of 1.2 bill in his wallet and $0 in his bank account, he has 0ISK in his wallet and $70 in his bank account.
Exactly which part of "doesn't allow him to convert ISK into RL cash" did you think this was?
Player pays other player 1.2bil for 2 time codes, he then gets 2 time codes, which CCP instantly credits to his account as game time, he never gets real money, nor does he get something he can sell for real money. Sure he gets something which you can argue has $70 of value, but he never actually gets the money.
I assume you're just posting to argue even though you clearly have never used the process before, nor know anything about it  
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