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Blakarius
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Posted - 2004.07.12 16:22:00 -
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I've had to learn the hard way that the right equipment on my Megathron makes all the difference in the world. I lost it in 0.0 roid field this weekend due to game bugs (couldn't warp or release drones for duration of fight) and I know CCP isn't going to give a crap so I've got to rely on other skills to get out in time.
What I need to know is specifically what is the optimal Mining and Survival loadout for a Megathron. I will rely on a Scorpion for RAT duty so I don't have to refit constantly. I still need to buy both ships, so if you have any deals for this newb, please let me know that as well.
For a Mining geared Megathron:
1. How many warp stabs would allow me to warp away clean every time? Is this possible?
2. 1600mm plates?
3. EW? What equipment?
4. Shield Hardeners? What kind of damage do 0.0 rats do? Invulnerability Field any good?
5. Armor Repairers used during combat? Is this typical? Which ones, specifically, if so?
ANY other advice?
thanks in advance..
Blak
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Blakarius
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Posted - 2004.07.12 16:22:00 -
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I've had to learn the hard way that the right equipment on my Megathron makes all the difference in the world. I lost it in 0.0 roid field this weekend due to game bugs (couldn't warp or release drones for duration of fight) and I know CCP isn't going to give a crap so I've got to rely on other skills to get out in time.
What I need to know is specifically what is the optimal Mining and Survival loadout for a Megathron. I will rely on a Scorpion for RAT duty so I don't have to refit constantly. I still need to buy both ships, so if you have any deals for this newb, please let me know that as well.
For a Mining geared Megathron:
1. How many warp stabs would allow me to warp away clean every time? Is this possible?
2. 1600mm plates?
3. EW? What equipment?
4. Shield Hardeners? What kind of damage do 0.0 rats do? Invulnerability Field any good?
5. Armor Repairers used during combat? Is this typical? Which ones, specifically, if so?
ANY other advice?
thanks in advance..
Blak
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O Ren
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Posted - 2004.07.12 16:47:00 -
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A n00b who is about to buy a Megathron AND Scorpion but has no idea what equipement to put on them?
Maybe we should start selling Battleship setups on E-bay.
That way people like you can buy a complete package. You know ,2 battleships, 500mil ISK and datailed instructions on what gear to put on your ship.
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O Ren
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Posted - 2004.07.12 16:47:00 -
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A n00b who is about to buy a Megathron AND Scorpion but has no idea what equipement to put on them?
Maybe we should start selling Battleship setups on E-bay.
That way people like you can buy a complete package. You know ,2 battleships, 500mil ISK and datailed instructions on what gear to put on your ship.
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2004.07.12 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Wuubaa on 12/07/2004 17:39:29
1 - 3 at least 5 would be ideal incase you get scrambled by 4 npc frigs at once (rare but not unheard of) best idea DONT let them get close. Warp away by they get to you or make sure uve got missles+drones to take them down fast. Mining face a warpable object and run as soon as the NPC's spawn.
2 - IMO waste of time. Armour Hardeners specific to the damage the NPC's do and an armour rep would be preferable if your relying on armour to save you.
3 - IIRC npc's are difficult to jam due to them having high sensor strengths. So pretty much no point. Use your slots to save your ass and make urself last longer in a fight.
4 - Shield Hardeners for a shield tank. Pretty vital. A mega is not really a shield tank. But a scorp is. Check eve-db for the damage types NPC's do. Invul fields... waste of time.
5 - They are vital if your armour tanking. Remember ONLY shield tank OR armour tank. Not both. Dont start putting shield boosters and armour reps on 2 mediocre defences arent as good as one good 1. Named ones are ofc better - lower cpu usage greater repair ability. Small for frigs Medium for cruisers, Large for BS.
Feel free to correct me if im wrong 
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2004.07.12 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Wuubaa on 12/07/2004 17:39:29
1 - 3 at least 5 would be ideal incase you get scrambled by 4 npc frigs at once (rare but not unheard of) best idea DONT let them get close. Warp away by they get to you or make sure uve got missles+drones to take them down fast. Mining face a warpable object and run as soon as the NPC's spawn.
2 - IMO waste of time. Armour Hardeners specific to the damage the NPC's do and an armour rep would be preferable if your relying on armour to save you.
3 - IIRC npc's are difficult to jam due to them having high sensor strengths. So pretty much no point. Use your slots to save your ass and make urself last longer in a fight.
4 - Shield Hardeners for a shield tank. Pretty vital. A mega is not really a shield tank. But a scorp is. Check eve-db for the damage types NPC's do. Invul fields... waste of time.
5 - They are vital if your armour tanking. Remember ONLY shield tank OR armour tank. Not both. Dont start putting shield boosters and armour reps on 2 mediocre defences arent as good as one good 1. Named ones are ofc better - lower cpu usage greater repair ability. Small for frigs Medium for cruisers, Large for BS.
Feel free to correct me if im wrong
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Sm0kE
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Posted - 2004.07.12 17:42:00 -
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why not check the other ****ing threads about fittings, its like 983675 topics about each ****ing battleship....argh
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Sm0kE
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Posted - 2004.07.12 17:42:00 -
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why not check the other ****ing threads about fittings, its like 983675 topics about each ****ing battleship....argh
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Blakarius
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Posted - 2004.07.12 22:31:00 -
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O Ren - You noticed my list of items above? Questions of armor and shield hardners n such? That means I have an idea, Im just asking for advice. Why don't you pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow? Your post was equally as useful.
Sm0ke - Get an appt. with your doctor and ask for an enema. You need one.
Wuuba - Thanks for the info, much appreciated.
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Blakarius
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Posted - 2004.07.12 22:31:00 -
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O Ren - You noticed my list of items above? Questions of armor and shield hardners n such? That means I have an idea, Im just asking for advice. Why don't you pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow? Your post was equally as useful.
Sm0ke - Get an appt. with your doctor and ask for an enema. You need one.
Wuuba - Thanks for the info, much appreciated.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.07.12 23:15:00 -
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give the guy a break u donkies... we all start somewhere, and we are ALL just as bad for not using the forum search...
dont reply if it upsets u as much.
d solo
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.07.12 23:15:00 -
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give the guy a break u donkies... we all start somewhere, and we are ALL just as bad for not using the forum search...
dont reply if it upsets u as much.
d solo
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2004.07.13 01:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Sm0kE
why not check the other ****ing threads about fittings, its like 983675 topics about each ****ing battleship....argh
Yeah, the search function on these boards are such a great help, or ..
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2004.07.13 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sm0kE
why not check the other ****ing threads about fittings, its like 983675 topics about each ****ing battleship....argh
Yeah, the search function on these boards are such a great help, or ..
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: mahhy on 13/07/2004 07:33:00
Originally by: Blakarius
For a Mining geared Megathron:
1. How many warp stabs would allow me to warp away clean every time? Is this possible?
2. 1600mm plates?
3. EW? What equipment?
4. Shield Hardeners? What kind of damage do 0.0 rats do? Invulnerability Field any good?
5. Armor Repairers used during combat? Is this typical? Which ones, specifically, if so?
1.) 2. Least thats what I understand, someone once told me you never get scrambled for more than -2. Otherwise carry 5 or more Heavy Combat drones just in case and you can kill the scrambling frigs no problem.
2.) Personally, I wouldn't.
3.) Nope.. apparently you cant jam npc's anymore? (wasn't aware you ever could!)
4.) Use hardners specific to the type of rats you'll see. Ask around, someone will tell you what damage each type does. For example Sanshas Nation rats use lasers, so they do EM and Thermal damage. Fit EM and Thermal 50% hardners (low slot, active module) for Sanshas.
5.) Sure, and the Mega even does Armor Tanking fairly well from what I hear. If you have another account protecting you (and I wouln't use a Scorp for that myself) fit one armor rep. Probably enough.
Use some other ship for rat killing. The Scorp has crappy damage output compared to even the Armageddon, and since you can no longer jam/EW rats (can anyone confirm this?) it doesn't make much sense.
Oh and good luck in 0.0. If you take any of my advice I will not be held responsible for any property damage, emotional trauma, child neglect, malnutrition, property loss, employment loss, marital problems, mental illness, hair loss, physical trauma or sickness you may develop. 
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: mahhy on 13/07/2004 07:33:00
Originally by: Blakarius
For a Mining geared Megathron:
1. How many warp stabs would allow me to warp away clean every time? Is this possible?
2. 1600mm plates?
3. EW? What equipment?
4. Shield Hardeners? What kind of damage do 0.0 rats do? Invulnerability Field any good?
5. Armor Repairers used during combat? Is this typical? Which ones, specifically, if so?
1.) 2. Least thats what I understand, someone once told me you never get scrambled for more than -2. Otherwise carry 5 or more Heavy Combat drones just in case and you can kill the scrambling frigs no problem.
2.) Personally, I wouldn't.
3.) Nope.. apparently you cant jam npc's anymore? (wasn't aware you ever could!)
4.) Use hardners specific to the type of rats you'll see. Ask around, someone will tell you what damage each type does. For example Sanshas Nation rats use lasers, so they do EM and Thermal damage. Fit EM and Thermal 50% hardners (low slot, active module) for Sanshas.
5.) Sure, and the Mega even does Armor Tanking fairly well from what I hear. If you have another account protecting you (and I wouln't use a Scorp for that myself) fit one armor rep. Probably enough.
Use some other ship for rat killing. The Scorp has crappy damage output compared to even the Armageddon, and since you can no longer jam/EW rats (can anyone confirm this?) it doesn't make much sense.
Oh and good luck in 0.0. If you take any of my advice I will not be held responsible for any property damage, emotional trauma, child neglect, malnutrition, property loss, employment loss, marital problems, mental illness, hair loss, physical trauma or sickness you may develop.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:42:00 -
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Fit your ship accordingly to NPC types as people said.. here's the damage they are dealing.
Guristas and serpentis - Kinetic & Thermal
Bloods amd Sansha - EM and Thermal
Angels - explosive, EM, kinetic dmg (that's why they are hardest NPCs.. they deal 3 kinds of dmg.)
You certainly should armor tank against bloods and sanshas. And probably for other npcs too.. but you have excellent chance of good shield tanking against guristas and serpentis too.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.13 07:42:00 -
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Fit your ship accordingly to NPC types as people said.. here's the damage they are dealing.
Guristas and serpentis - Kinetic & Thermal
Bloods amd Sansha - EM and Thermal
Angels - explosive, EM, kinetic dmg (that's why they are hardest NPCs.. they deal 3 kinds of dmg.)
You certainly should armor tank against bloods and sanshas. And probably for other npcs too.. but you have excellent chance of good shield tanking against guristas and serpentis too.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.07.13 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 13/07/2004 10:10:45
Can you use a domi for mining and the mega for guarding instead of a scorpion for guarding and a mega for mining ?
I assume you are using two accounts or an alt+main setup to do this so it depends on your skills. But a domi/mega combo would be vastly superior to a mega/scorp combo for this.
Next I would advise to armortank the dominix. Two large repairer and a Thermal or Expl. hardener will do. 2 WCS make a full lowslot loadout. Medslots: cap recharge (try large cap battery for a big boost). Highs: miner 2's.
If you hate risk dont use mining drones, you will have to leave em behind if you get unlucky. And switching to combat drones takes too much time imo.
The megathron setup is easy: 7x425rails, 1xheavy launcher or smartbomb; L shieldbooster, large cap battery, sensor booster and shield hardener; 2x damage mod, 3x tracking mod and 2 slots to fit the lot.
Mine with your nose to a warpable object and do not hug that roid so you dont get stuck on it. Warp immediately when a spawn hits and you should get out safely.
The Mega should be kept at a moon or planet untill a spawn hits the belt. Get the domi safe and warp the mega to a point about 100km from the domi's position/spawnpoint of the rats. Wipe em out from there, which is easy with that setup and 2will work against ANY spawn if your skills are decent. The damage output on that mega is considerable even at 120km.
- EW against NPC's doesnt work.
- A Scorpion up close will get in trouble sooner or later over a heavy spawn due to lag or plain bad luck. A scorpion at range lacks firepower for the really though spawns.
The risk is with your mining ship. It could even pay off just to use a cruiser for that, like a thorax with just miners and MWD+100Mn AB/two 100Mn AB's fitted. Use a armorplates for survivability, but losing it will be cheap. The killing part is riskless, so that Megathron won't be lost.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.07.13 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 13/07/2004 10:10:45
Can you use a domi for mining and the mega for guarding instead of a scorpion for guarding and a mega for mining ?
I assume you are using two accounts or an alt+main setup to do this so it depends on your skills. But a domi/mega combo would be vastly superior to a mega/scorp combo for this.
Next I would advise to armortank the dominix. Two large repairer and a Thermal or Expl. hardener will do. 2 WCS make a full lowslot loadout. Medslots: cap recharge (try large cap battery for a big boost). Highs: miner 2's.
If you hate risk dont use mining drones, you will have to leave em behind if you get unlucky. And switching to combat drones takes too much time imo.
The megathron setup is easy: 7x425rails, 1xheavy launcher or smartbomb; L shieldbooster, large cap battery, sensor booster and shield hardener; 2x damage mod, 3x tracking mod and 2 slots to fit the lot.
Mine with your nose to a warpable object and do not hug that roid so you dont get stuck on it. Warp immediately when a spawn hits and you should get out safely.
The Mega should be kept at a moon or planet untill a spawn hits the belt. Get the domi safe and warp the mega to a point about 100km from the domi's position/spawnpoint of the rats. Wipe em out from there, which is easy with that setup and 2will work against ANY spawn if your skills are decent. The damage output on that mega is considerable even at 120km.
- EW against NPC's doesnt work.
- A Scorpion up close will get in trouble sooner or later over a heavy spawn due to lag or plain bad luck. A scorpion at range lacks firepower for the really though spawns.
The risk is with your mining ship. It could even pay off just to use a cruiser for that, like a thorax with just miners and MWD+100Mn AB/two 100Mn AB's fitted. Use a armorplates for survivability, but losing it will be cheap. The killing part is riskless, so that Megathron won't be lost.
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Stella Centauri
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Posted - 2004.07.13 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sm0kE
why not check the other ****ing threads about fittings, its like 983675 topics about each ****ing battleship....argh
Dont see him asking for "the-perfect-fitting"(tm) like all the other "want-the-perfect-but-dont-want-experience-by-testing"-ppl.
My tip would be to not use warp core stabs (if you dont suspect player-rats) but use the low-slots for armor hardening and cap instead. The npc-frigates are the only things scrambling you, so fit 2 large smartbombs (they should reach them I think... think... so dont trust me until you've tested it) IMO letting drones out for killing them takes too long time if you really really wanna get away fast. Besides it gets kinda expensive in the long run, leaving the drones behind.
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Stella Centauri
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Posted - 2004.07.13 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sm0kE
why not check the other ****ing threads about fittings, its like 983675 topics about each ****ing battleship....argh
Dont see him asking for "the-perfect-fitting"(tm) like all the other "want-the-perfect-but-dont-want-experience-by-testing"-ppl.
My tip would be to not use warp core stabs (if you dont suspect player-rats) but use the low-slots for armor hardening and cap instead. The npc-frigates are the only things scrambling you, so fit 2 large smartbombs (they should reach them I think... think... so dont trust me until you've tested it) IMO letting drones out for killing them takes too long time if you really really wanna get away fast. Besides it gets kinda expensive in the long run, leaving the drones behind.
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DeGrand
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Posted - 2004.07.13 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: DeGrand on 13/07/2004 15:59:41
And using smartbombs near your 3 full cans of arkonor isnt costly? I prefer losing a load of drones then :p And btw..some frigs stay out well beyond smartbomb range so dont rely on them to much.
id say 2 warpcorestabs...if tanked well enough you should last at least long enough for the drones to kill 2 frigs..make sure you dont launch them before the frigs have started shooting you tho. I dont dare to mine in my BS tbh..I just pull out the old thorax for that.
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DeGrand
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Posted - 2004.07.13 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: DeGrand on 13/07/2004 15:59:41
And using smartbombs near your 3 full cans of arkonor isnt costly? I prefer losing a load of drones then :p And btw..some frigs stay out well beyond smartbomb range so dont rely on them to much.
id say 2 warpcorestabs...if tanked well enough you should last at least long enough for the drones to kill 2 frigs..make sure you dont launch them before the frigs have started shooting you tho. I dont dare to mine in my BS tbh..I just pull out the old thorax for that.
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Black 5
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Posted - 2004.07.13 17:43:00 -
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blakmsg me ingame mate ill send u a real setup
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Black 5
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Posted - 2004.07.13 17:43:00 -
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blakmsg me ingame mate ill send u a real setup
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