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Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.12.05 12:20:00 - [31] webbing is fine, they probably started the fight on top of him = rip recon no matter what you do.
Yarod Cool Team JAVELIN	Posted - 2008.12.05 13:47:00 - [32] Huginn takes out Harpies pretty well in my experience.
Crellion Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.05 15:07:00 - [33] I think the OP is comedic... However some people take these things seriously post QR such as the poor Jaguar which let my Rapier kill it while tanking sentries at the same time a few days ago.... Mssg to AFs: Rapiers still kill you RUNYOUFOOLS!!! On the other hand an incompetent Thanatos pilot can die to a Taranis depending on fittings so meh... Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Solomon XI Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.12.08 02:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn Fit Warrior 2s. Done. I dunno about you but I can tank a flight of those in a Retribution, with nothing but a sar2 fitted for tank. Even if they do manage to lay some damage on me they tend to go pop pop really fast. I'll take your Retribution on with my Ishkur any day. Where & when, pal?
rgreat Gallente OEG GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.08 03:41:00 - [35] Originally by: Typhado3 Every other recon is designed to do something (damp) they all do their jobs extremely well LoL. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mikal Drey Minmatar Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.08 09:45:00 - [36] hey hey As someone else said "its a rapier" people using a rapier for combat need to die. i saw he had a cloak and the cyno so at least hes done that right and is at least using the ship for its purpose. The Rapier and Huginn both have Target Painter bonusses which would have helped a fair bit. Recons in general have zero tank 2x Extenders will still get you toasted and the DPS of AF's are suprisingly high for their size. The extenders also raise your sig raduis. Id agree that the rapier and Huginn should be totally able to do the job of anti frigate (sizes) and would finally agree that they are broken :''(
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:27:00 - [37] Originally by: Solomon XI Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn Fit Warrior 2s. Done. I dunno about you but I can tank a flight of those in a Retribution, with nothing but a sar2 fitted for tank. Even if they do manage to lay some damage on me they tend to go pop pop really fast. I'll take your Retribution on with my Ishkur any day. Where & when, pal? Sounds like a downright challenge :P Unfortunately the niches I fill don't exactly fit solo pvp. -----
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:58:00 - [38] I'd say it is just well balanced now. I fought a Rupture in my Ishkur and he got a jam off with his ECM drones. Consequentally I could not web him back while he was webbing me. I lost transversal and died shortly after acquiring a lock on him again. He was in 9% hull when I popped and we had both a lot of fun in this fight. BTW - cheers to DiaBlo UK! Just because AF's don't suck anymore after QR does not mean that they are overpowered. It's a question of the right tactics and proper fittings in such a fight and that is what Eve should be about. My opinion is purely personal and not related to my alliance
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.12.10 14:05:00 - [39] Rapier issue is. 1 of the bonus is always wasted. No one uses TP on it. And no one sane would (for that role any half arsed cheap vigil will fill the role). TP bonus on rapier and huggin should be changed into a 7.5% web STR per level. Falcons are overpowered because they have all their bonuses into a single Ewar system, while other recons don't changing that would put them on par. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:34:00 - [40] Right off the bat, Your using fast moving small ships up close and personal vs.... Artillery and Rail guns just think about that for a moment and everything makes sense. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:54:00 - [41] Originally by: H Lecter I'd say it is just well balanced now. I fought a Rupture in my Ishkur and he got a jam off with his ECM drones. Consequentally I could not web him back while he was webbing me. I lost transversal and died shortly after acquiring a lock on him again. He was in 9% hull when I popped and we had both a lot of fun in this fight. BTW - cheers to DiaBlo UK! Yes, very good example. It clearly shows that outcome of a cruiser vs. AF fight is open now. Open means, not boring. Originally by: H Lecter because AF's don't suck anymore after QR does not mean that they are overpowered Couldn't agree more.
Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.12.10 16:14:00 - [42] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Rapier issue is. 1 of the bonus is always wasted. No one uses TP on it. And no one sane would (for that role any half arsed cheap vigil will fill the role). TP bonus on rapier and huggin should be changed into a 7.5% web STR per level. Falcons are overpowered because they have all their bonuses into a single Ewar system, while other recons don't changing that would put them on par. It is not that easy. Rapier also has 1 dmg bonus. Pilgrim has a NICE dmg bonus. Falcon have no dmg bonus. Thats why you can do solo PvP with a Rapier/Pilgrim and maybe Arazu but usually not with a Falcon. If you still think a Falcon is overpowered just fly a Falcon instead. Vigil ? Why you not just switch from Rapier to Vigil then ? You trying to compare apples to oranges. Either you want at least 4 different play styles or 4 different ship models with different names. I for myself prefer diversity an thus love recons as they are. Different recon ships enforce different play styles. 99% of my recon ship time I'm sitting inside a Rapier. I could switch to a Falcon but thats just not my style. If any of those recon ships deserve a little tweaking, than it is the Arazu.
Random Womble Minmatar Master Miners	Posted - 2008.12.10 17:29:00 - [43] Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks Originally by: Kagura Nikon Rapier issue is. 1 of the bonus is always wasted. No one uses TP on it. And no one sane would (for that role any half arsed cheap vigil will fill the role). TP bonus on rapier and huggin should be changed into a 7.5% web STR per level. Falcons are overpowered because they have all their bonuses into a single Ewar system, while other recons don't changing that would put them on par. It is not that easy. Rapier also has 1 dmg bonus. Pilgrim has a NICE dmg bonus. Falcon have no dmg bonus. Thats why you can do solo PvP with a Rapier/Pilgrim and maybe Arazu but usually not with a Falcon. If you still think a Falcon is overpowered just fly a Falcon instead. Vigil ? Why you not just switch from Rapier to Vigil then ? You trying to compare apples to oranges. Either you want at least 4 different play styles or 4 different ship models with different names. I for myself prefer diversity an thus love recons as they are. Different recon ships enforce different play styles. 99% of my recon ship time I'm sitting inside a Rapier. I could switch to a Falcon but thats just not my style. If any of those recon ships deserve a little tweaking, than it is the Arazu. Diffrence is both pilgrim and falcon (even arazu to a lesser extent since damp nerf and yes i think damp bonus on arzu/lach needs boosting) have a bonus to something that reduces damage taken on top of that the falcon is designed for engaging at extreem ranges where missile damage would be pointless. The rapier does not have that the web bonus used to be able to compensate by letting you some what choose range but now that pretty much out of the window. If you asked most rapier pilots would you rater the 5% damage bonus (on 3 guns lol or 2 if you fit a cyno 1 if you add in a probe launcher tho falcons normally do that....) or a bonus which improved the effectiveness of your webs im pretty sure most would choose the latter.
Markousa Minmatar Jita Hauling And Logistics	Posted - 2008.12.11 02:04:00 - [44] i remember killing 2x vagas with 2x vengence wayyyyy before qr
Dikat	Posted - 2008.12.11 19:03:00 - [45] I was getting into AF's about a month before QR and believe me, they were just as deadly before QR. It's just people either didn't notice or had bad fits (mwd on an AF = bad). The slight speed bonus and the warp scrambler and web changes made them far more useful but they were always deadly. Post QR I have killed a few AF's. They are not invulnerable.
Dikat	Posted - 2008.12.11 19:05:00 - [46] Quote: I'll take your Retribution on with my Ishkur any day. Where & when, pal? My money would be on the Retribution. His guns can't be shot one by one until he has almost no dps left.

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