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Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2008.12.03 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 03/12/2008 13:59:34
 Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: KingsGambit
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It is mad how much info is on that spreadsheet. As detestable as they might be, releasing home addresses and phone numbers to the public is pretty evil and has the potential to cause a lot of trouble. Imagine if the rehabilitated sex offenders list became public...
I would not mind irradicating ignorant and baseless racists from the planet 
As for the sex offender list. In the States when you move into a new place you are required by law to register as a sex offender.
Sex offender registration
Slade
But is your sex offenders register publicly available?
Did you check the link out? That is the whole purpose.
As for your idea of letting racists have their opinions, that is all fine and dandy, but this is what happens when you let them get there claws into the minds of the masses
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn
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Gneeznow
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Posted - 2008.12.03 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
As much as I disagree with everything the BNP stands for, I find "normal" people's attitudes towards them to be almost as alarming. People seem to have this mind set of "well you're racist, so you're not entitled to an opinion". There was talk just after this list was leaked about how people on the list should lose their jobs for the heinous crime of "holding a contrary opinion". This is true thought-crime territory.
Last year, we were due to have a BNP member speak at my university on some subject or other. The Student Union hopped up and down about this and started handing out leaflets with a picture of Hitler and the words "Would you want this man speaking at YOUR university?". My immediate thought: YES! I'd LOVE to have Hitler speak at my uni. I'd love to pose questions to him and have him justify himself. Refusing to allow him to speak would simply lend weight to his viewpoint.
couldnt agree with this more
ps: its in human nature to side with people you see as ''your own'' and be wary of those of a different race, the way people fall over each other to badmouth ''dem der evil racists'' is pretty startling, when a lot of those people probably have as many misconceptions about others as the people they are pointing their fingers at.
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Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 03/12/2008 15:06:39
Originally by: Gneeznow
couldnt agree with this more
ps: its in human nature to side with people you see as ''your own'' and be wary of those of a different race, the way people fall over each other to badmouth ''dem der evil racists'' is pretty startling, when a lot of those people probably have as many misconceptions about others as the people they are pointing their fingers at.
Saying someone is not of "your own" based purely on color without any discussion is stupid
The problem is that we are all of the same race. If you disagree with someone based on morals, politics, religion, or whatever you choose, that is fine. But to hate someone based purely on skin color is plan and simple pure ignorance. When you start supporting this type of behavior it does not take long before you have people causing physical harm based on nothing sound, just sight.
As I said before I could get into any white racist organiztion based purely on my skin color. The funny thing is that under that skin I represent everything, everything, the multitude of racist organizations in the US, do not stand for. Do you see a problem with that.
"Racism" or what should be called colorism is a joke and anyone that supports any facet (white, black, yellow, red, jew, christian, muslim, etc) of it falls short of a full deck of cards. Having an opinion is fine, having an opinnion based on ignorance is silly.
Clayton Bigsby - Dave Chapell skit pounds home my views 
Southern Poverty Law Center - Tracks Hate groups througout the US. Ufortunately my state, VA, has one of the highest concentrations of these groups.
I guess you find these types of activities acceptable 
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
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KingsGambit
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
There was talk just after this list was leaked about how people on the list should lose their jobs for the heinous crime of "holding a contrary opinion". This is true thought-crime territory.
Although I completely see your point, it is actually quite valid. As an example, take a policeman whose job it is to uphold the law in a just, fair & impartial way. Were he a racist, how could he fairly or justly resolve a dispute between two civvies, one white, one not? Organisations employ people whose personal ethos and morals coincide with their own, and although there is still a big problem is some services, such as the Met, it cannot be seen to employ racist police officers. As a further example, would you hire a sex offender to babysit, a *** member to work for a Black Charity, etc, etc.
The main difference, and ultimately the controversy around the BNP, is that they want to take their opinions and turn them into policy and in the UK, it is illegal to discriminate against people based on race, sexual preference, religion, etc. Although we have the freedom of speech, you cannot stand up and espouse anything that is against the law. Can you really say that we should encourage or protect people's freedom to preach the virtues of violence, discrimination, hatred, drug use, murder, etc, etc? While we all respectfully respect each others opinions and beliefs, I for one draw the line at such points. They're entitled to their personal opinions, but they deserve no place near the political table.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Arianhod on 03/12/2008 15:36:42
Edited by: Arianhod on 03/12/2008 15:33:00
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
I guess you find these types of activities acceptable
Slade
I have said a few times on the forums it's because of this kind of behavior I don't watch sport or find any pride at all in it beyond the Olympics.
I am told that it is because they pick people from Africa (note, from Africa as opposed to of African descent) to play for their local teams. In other words they are just there for the money and not to represent the local people at the club. Not condoning it, just explaining some of the motive behind it.
Okay now finishing up that video (watched the first 20 seconds before) and they are the exception, not the rule and complete ****s. 
Originally by: KingsGambit
They're entitled to their personal opinions, but they deserve no place near the political table.
No, they do deserve a place if they are actualy elected to Westminster... which is what a Democracy like ours is about.
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ebonyivory
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: ebonyivory on 03/12/2008 15:40:08
Tbh id rather have Bnp in than labour
The racism is while not justified is pointing out something obvious
the rate of immigration is ruining our own culture by flooding it with different styles and religions (religion sucks but w/e)
id have them in if only to sort of the dam immigration
and why the hell shouldnt english people come first? weve been here for ages and we put up with all the people coming from their crappy little countries forcing their culture on us.
by 2050 the minorities in england will be majorities (breeding so dam fast) by then our government will be screwed over (more than it is) and england will fail just as the immigrants countries fail atm.
ninjaedit: also if we went to their countries with our culture wed be stoned/shot so yeah atleast we arent doing that
also need to sort out those dam prisons :(
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Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:52:00 -
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ebonyivory
Oh the irony 
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Elliot Reid
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:53:00 -
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I was just talking to one at work. He's never made a secret of it and he is a pretty loathsome man, though I thought this long before I knew of his far right political leanings (he's an ex NF member as well). I have to talk to him because of my job but I wish I didn't have too. |
Blane Xero
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 03/12/2008 15:55:52
Originally by: ebonyivory
Edited by: ebonyivory on 03/12/2008 15:40:08
Tbh id rather have Bnp in than labour
The racism is while not justified is pointing out something obvious
the rate of immigration is ruining our own culture by flooding it with different styles and religions (religion sucks but w/e)
id have them in if only to sort of the dam immigration
and why the hell shouldnt english people come first? weve been here for ages and we put up with all the people coming from their crappy little countries forcing their culture on us.
by 2050 the minorities in england will be majorities (breeding so dam fast) by then our government will be screwed over (more than it is) and england will fail just as the immigrants countries fail atm.
ninjaedit: also if we went to their countries with our culture wed be stoned/shot so yeah atleast we arent doing that
also need to sort out those dam prisons :(
Ahem, England is not the only country within Britain, and most of England in its current incarnation is younger than the roots people have in Scotland, Ireland or Wales.
The problem Britain or even the United Kingdom is facing is Ignorance, although its always easier to blame outsiders for your own problems.
Ninja Edit: Also it wasnt too long ago, England tried to "Conquer Ze World" and yeah, now you're paying for it. |
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
ebonyivory
Oh the irony
Slade
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Posted - 2008.12.03 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Davina Braben on 03/12/2008 16:01:03
Edited by: Davina Braben on 03/12/2008 16:00:29
Ugh.
Less than a mile.
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Tbh id rather have Bnp in than labour
That's because you're dim.
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Ahem, England is not the only country within Britain, and most of England in its current incarnation is younger than the roots people have in Scotland, Ireland or Wales.
Historically speaking I probably have more of a claim to England as a Welshman than he does.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Davina Braben
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Ahem, England is not the only country within Britain, and most of England in its current incarnation is younger than the roots people have in Scotland, Ireland or Wales.
Historically speaking I probably have more of a claim to England as a Welshman than he does.
Well Put.
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Ninja Edit: Also it wasnt too long ago, England tried to "Conquer Ze World" and yeah, now you're paying for it.
And why should I, a 18 year old Scot have to pay the price neh?
I will be honest, the whole minority in your homeland really strikes home in Europe. I don't know if the sentiment can even exist in the USA given it is a nation of Immigrants. Essentially Europeans don't like the idea of being colonized and through democracy having to conform to the new majority.
I know it's not like that, but I would be lying if I said if I liked the idea of being in the minority.
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Blane Xero
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 03/12/2008 16:16:10
Originally by: Arianhod
Originally by: Blane Xero
Ninja Edit: Also it wasnt too long ago, England tried to "Conquer Ze World" and yeah, now you're paying for it.
And why should I, a 18 year old Scot have to pay the price neh?
Indeed. Its an unfortunate fact that due to England claim that Wales, Ireland and even our beloved Scotland are friendly entities to England, if they hit rough times we go down with.
Originally by: Arianhod
I will be honest, the whole minority in your homeland really strikes home in Europe. I don't know if the sentiment can even exist in the USA given it is a nation of Immigrants. Essentially Europeans don't like the idea of being colonized and through democracy having to conform to the new majority.
I know it's not like that, but I would be lying if I said if I liked the idea of being in the minority.
Basically we're all paying for the mistakes we, and others have made. I'd be ignorant if i said it was "All England's fault" or stupid if i tried to claim things would be perfect without England as an entity. But i'd also be stupid if i tried to deny the fact the majority of problems the UK is having with foreign entities is because of England past.
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Valan
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:15:00 -
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If the average British person wasn't a dumb, idle and ignorant without the common sense they were born with we wouldn't have as much immigration in recent times. We wouldn't need a benefit system that attracts millions. Then the dumb, idle and ignorant Brit wouldn't feel threatened enough to join the BNP. Vicious circle.
What we should have is a straight swap program where decent immigrants replace feckless idiots here. Although exporting idiots to Africa isn't really fair they have enough issues.
You should be allowed free speech however, but thats gone now the UK is a dictatorship.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:17:00 -
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When our generation comes to power we have no knowledge of a world war and only the rumbling echoes of the empire.
In other words, only historical ties, the EU is the future and I think thats all we will need for the next 100 years or so.
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Davina Braben
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Davina Braben on 03/12/2008 16:23:49
We currently have more pensioners than under 16s.
If you look at a graph of population broken up by age there's a real bulge outwards in the middle.
Combine more dependents with a shrinking workforce and you have problem.
Or to put it in terms the Sun readers amongst us will understand:
FRIGID BRITS NOT MAKING BABIES FAST ENOUGH
So what is the answer?
We don't have enough young people to keep our economy working as it did before...
lots of young people from other countries want to come here and work...
See where I'm going with this?
As for being a minority, don't talk twaddle.
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:27:00 -
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Davina, I don't plan on considering having kids till I am at least in my late 20s, a lot of people feel the same. We are demographically challenged, but we wont have to worry about the elderly when they erm.... die of old age.
Brits don't have many kids to the right people, few reforms are needed yea. I like the idea of moving our industrial complex into the EU so we don't leak resources to China which has made a massive contribution to this damned recession.
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Davina Braben
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:31:00 -
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We are demographically challenged, but we wont have to worry about the elderly when they erm.... die of old age.
They're living longer 
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kor anon
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Valan
You should be allowed free speech however, but thats gone now the UK is a dictatorship.
Its not a dictatorship yet, athough saying that i'd fully support a dictatorship over a democratic system any day of the week. At least with a dictatorship its not trying to make it look like something its not, you get exactly what it says on the tin.
Freedom of speech is not a god given right, it can be taken away by a government whenever it sees fit, and often does. Me I have the freedom of speech because I CLAIM it and damn what anyone else thinks.
The current government will collapse soon enough dont you worry, they always do. ATM the naysayers are being quashed using covert methods, but soon they will do it more openly, then the backlash comes, then yada yada the same thing that occurs again and again throughout history
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:45:00 -
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:47:00 -
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Basically all the government has to do is push a little too hard in the wrong area and its possible for an uprising. Looking over most revolutions it seems to be the youth and the students that do this.... see my coments earlier about the EU being the future, I wouldn't mind a genuinely united Europe. Elect an MEP directly like we have in Parliament...
About the Dictatorship, we won't have the European Empire for a while yet I think.
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