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Zarvox Toral
Unacceptable Behaviour.
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Posted - 2012.04.10 02:05:00 -
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Hi!
I have a hypothetical question about the racial BC/Destroyer skill changes coming up.
If I currently have BC lvl4, and say, Amarr cruiser lvl3, does this mean I'll have Amarr BC lvl4 when the changes are made?
Thanks in advance,
Z |

Snatcha Pursia
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.10 07:43:00 -
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Totally on topic here : will there be any amount of unalocated SP's for those with all races frig trained to V, dessy V, BC V and cruiser 3? |

Dibblerette
The Phantom Regiment The House Of Cards.
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Posted - 2012.04.12 02:44:00 -
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As far as I know, they still haven't posted the specifics of how the skill changes will go down, but from what they HAVE said, I believe the OP is correct. Basically, if you can fly it before the patch, you should be able to fly it after.
If you're at all serious about subcap PVP, or most PVE, training BC 5 now would be a solid choice, since you'd basically be training 4 skills at once.
As for unallocated SP, I doubt they would because unless they just GAVE everyone that much SP, you'd have to pick one race to get to 5 and not train the others, or get all to 3-4. |

Xlera
Universal Fleet Operations
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:49:00 -
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Snatcha Pursia wrote:Totally on topic here : will there be any amount of unalocated SP's for those with all races frig trained to V, dessy V, BC V and cruiser 3?
They won't give any unallocated sp, for the case you've given above you will get all 4 destroyer and battlecruisers skills to V. |

Taria A'nor
Department of Social Security The Welfare State
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Posted - 2012.04.12 19:49:00 -
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They haven't specified yet, they did say unallocated sp is an 'option' |

Jeyson Vicious
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.13 02:58:00 -
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Every time I read these kind of posts I get the feeling I'm gonna' be pissed off. Not everyone trains for cruisers. |

Jeyson Vicious
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.13 03:07:00 -
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You know what I think? Why don't they just give you the racial for what you've trained. If you are Caldari with destroyer V and BC 3 then that's what you get. Tag existing ships in hanger and move on. This is a long term game and if a change comes for the better that sets you back 7 - 30 days then fine. |

Zarvox Toral
Unacceptable Behaviour.
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:59:00 -
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Thanks for all y'all replies.
It also looks like Cruiser IV is going to be required for a BC rather than Cruiser III, so that means anybody with Cruiser III for whatever race and BC I or above pre-inferno will also be given Cruiser IV for that race?
Not a big deal obv but worth noting :)
Z |

mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.04.13 17:30:00 -
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Zarvox Toral wrote:Thanks for all y'all replies.
It also looks like Cruiser IV is going to be required for a BC rather than Cruiser III, so that means anybody with Cruiser III for whatever race and BC I or above pre-inferno will also be given Cruiser IV for that race?
Not a big deal obv but worth noting :)
Z
From what I understand, no. It looks like they'll just give you the BC skills based on the old requirements for the ships, not give you extra SP for what you will need going forward. |

Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:19:00 -
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Zarvox Toral wrote:Hi!
I have a hypothetical question about the racial BC/Destroyer skill changes coming up.
If I currently have BC lvl4, and say, Amarr cruiser lvl3, does this mean I'll have Amarr BC lvl4 when the changes are made?
Thanks in advance,
Z
That is the plan for the lowest-SP-addition change that they are considering. They've also been considering simply giving everyone all racial BC skills at the level of their current BC skill, so you could end up with Min BC IV and also Amarr BC IV, Cal BC IV, and Gal BC IV.
It's not set in stone and they've not expanded on their possible plans since the dev notes you could have easily found using the search function. Those notes would also tell you that they haven't mentioned giving out free cruisers IV. |

Zarvox Toral
Unacceptable Behaviour.
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Posted - 2012.04.14 07:42:00 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:Zarvox Toral wrote:Hi!
I have a hypothetical question about the racial BC/Destroyer skill changes coming up.
If I currently have BC lvl4, and say, Amarr cruiser lvl3, does this mean I'll have Amarr BC lvl4 when the changes are made?
Thanks in advance,
Z That is the plan for the lowest-SP-addition change that they are considering. They've also been considering simply giving everyone all racial BC skills at the level of their current BC skill, so you could end up with Min BC IV and also Amarr BC IV, Cal BC IV, and Gal BC IV. It's not set in stone and they've not expanded on their possible plans since the dev notes you could have easily found using the search function. Those notes would also tell you that they haven't mentioned giving out free cruisers IV.
Agreed, these notes do not specifically mention giving out free cruiser IV. However, the dev notes I did find stated that Cruiser IV would be required to fly a t1 BC following the patch (only Cruiser III is required now), and, that if you can fly it now, you can fly it post-patch. Pretty sure that in order for both of these to be true, they would have to give you Cruiser IV if you only have cruiser III and BC I or above pre-patch, no?
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Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2012.04.14 15:10:00 -
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I got BC V but only Gallente Cruiser V and Minmatar cruiser III.
Just in case, I'm training all racial frigates and cruisers to IV, and Destroyers to V ASAP.
It won't hurt, eventually I'll be wanting toys of all races, and the perspective of free SP in any shape and form is quite appealing.
I hope I don't end up regretting it. |

Wyte Ragnarok
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Posted - 2012.04.14 15:21:00 -
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I was wondering if anybody knows when this change is going to be implemented? Is it scheduled for the April Escalation Patch or the May Expansion? Or has this not yet been announced? Thanks to anyone who knows. |

James Keenen
Star Frontiers Ignore This.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:27:00 -
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Zarvox Toral wrote: Agreed, these notes do not specifically mention giving out free cruiser IV. However, the dev notes I did find stated that Cruiser IV would be required to fly a t1 BC following the patch (only Cruiser III is required now), and, that if you can fly it now, you can fly it post-patch. Pretty sure that in order for both of these to be true, they would have to give you Cruiser IV if you only have cruiser III and BC I or above pre-patch, no?
Not necessarily, they could make the requirement to fly ships different than the requirement to train skills. For example, a Hurricane could require Minmitar Battlecruiser IV, but not have any Minmatar Cruiser Prerequisite. Then the skill Minmitar Battlecruiser IV could require Minmitar Cruiser IV. Since the Hurricane only checks for the Battlecruiser skill, you could still fly it without them having to give you extra SP if you only had the cruiser skill trained to 3.
So a new player would still have to train both skills to 4, but you would be grandfathered in. |

James Keenen
Star Frontiers Ignore This.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 23:42:00 -
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Wyte Ragnarok wrote:I was wondering if anybody knows when this change is going to be implemented?
May 22. |

Kuehnelt
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.16 02:01:00 -
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James Keenen wrote:Not necessarily, they could make the requirement to fly ships different than the requirement to train skills. For example, a Hurricane could require Minmitar Battlecruiser IV, but not have any Minmatar Cruiser Prerequisite. Then the skill Minmitar Battlecruiser IV could require Minmitar Cruiser IV. Since the Hurricane only checks for the Battlecruiser skill, you could still fly it without them having to give you extra SP if you only had the cruiser skill trained to 3.
So a new player would still have to train both skills to 4, but you would be grandfathered in.
I lost some SP on a long-dead character, and faced just this situation. I could fly an interceptor but I only had Evasive Maneuvering IV. |

Kale Eledar
Mining and Industrial Services The Irukandji
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:34:00 -
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Essentially, it is in your interest now to train
-Battlecruisers V -Destroyers V (not quite as awesome, but still awesome) -Racial Cruiser IV -Racial Battleship I (they are considering making battleships take longer to get into). The Irukandji is recruiting PVP pilots! APPLY NAO. You won't regret it. See our info at : -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70811&find=unread |

Roger Keen
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.16 05:45:00 -
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So if I get the blog and all the scatterd dev replys right, everyone who currently isn't remapped to Per/Wil will miss out on lots of free skillpoints.  |

Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.16 05:49:00 -
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Roger Keen wrote:So if I get the blog and all the scatterd dev replys right, everyone who currently isn't remapped to Per/Wil will miss out on lots of free skillpoints.  Not if you trained BC V first, like any sane person. |

Roger Keen
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.16 08:40:00 -
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Sjugar wrote: Not if you trained BC V first, like any sane person.
Won't help though if you don't have all the racial frigs at IV and cruisers at III. My point still stands, ppl without per/will remap are screwed. More more precisely, they won't be able to get as many free SP as the rest especially if you add Destroyers V and racial Battleships I. |

Wyte Ragnarok
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Posted - 2012.04.16 08:48:00 -
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If you care about spaceship command skills (and thus, likely combat orientated professions), why don't you have a perc/will map? :| |

Stirling Steel
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.16 08:50:00 -
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I'm a new player (about 1.4 mil sp) and have the (probably brain-fart) idea to train into a Drake then cross train to get into a Typhoon (my favourite hull).
Frankly, I'm confused by these proposed changes and how they will affect my own little world. Right now flying a Caracal and I'm training toward Caldari BC for the Drake. I'll tool about doing missions (for cash) and exploration (fo teh lulz) until I've cross trained Minmatar ships into a Typhoon and then work up the Projectile skills (I'll already have the missile skills).
All this talk "need to train this asap" and "hey! free SP!" and "if you dont habe BC V b4 changes you are screwed" is making me nervous. Think I'll go hide in rat-hole until I figure it out.
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Mike Whiite
Progressive State
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Posted - 2012.04.16 09:20:00 -
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Stirling Steel wrote:I'm a new player (about 1.4 mil sp) ........(I'll already have the missile skills).
No you haven't
As for the rest of your question, the fact is they realy don't know jet. The only thing that was granted was that wat you can fly before the patch, you will be able to fly after the patch. People have jumped to the conclusion that, that will mean they gain free SP. though as far as I haven't heard any conformation on the fact that that will happen.
They might as well change the ships. everything produced or bought from a certain date will reqiure those skills. In that case you could also still fly what you flew before the patch, in till it's destroyed.
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.04.16 16:17:00 -
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My understanding was that the new rcial BC and destroyer skills will have a lower multiplier than the current generic skills. So if you miss out on getting BC trained to 5 training the individual racial BC skills to 5 will take less time although if you want all 4 races to 5 you are most likely better off training them before the patch.
Personally I have all 5 of my active toons training as many of the racial pre requisites as possible and getting BC to 5. just to maximize my benefit. I planed on cross training eventually any way so why not do it now. |

James Keenen
Star Frontiers Ignore This.
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Posted - 2012.04.16 19:14:00 -
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Stirling Steel wrote:I'm a new player (about 1.4 mil sp) and have the (probably brain-fart) idea to train into a Drake then cross train to get into a Typhoon (my favourite hull). Frankly, I'm confused by these proposed changes and how they will affect my own little world. Right now flying a Caracal and I'm training toward Caldari BC for the Drake. I'll tool about doing missions (for cash) and exploration (fo teh lulz) until I've cross trained Minmatar ships into a Typhoon and then work up the Projectile skills (I'll already have the missile skills). All this talk "need to train this asap" and "hey! free SP!" and "if you dont habe BC V b4 changes you are screwed" is making me nervous. Think I'll go hide in rat-hole until I figure it out. 
From what I can tell CCP is basically just screwing every single new player over. Sure you can train for caps and some t2 ships sooner, but to be able to fly a Drake and a Cane will probably take months longer. Nevermind that new players should be starting out with Drakes and Canes and not T2 ships. At the same time they are giving an advantage to pilots like me (who have all the subcap skills I want trained), by not making me skill any longer, but also making it easier to train for caps. |

Roger Keen
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.17 09:51:00 -
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Wyte Ragnarok wrote:If you care about spaceship command skills (and thus, likely combat orientated professions), why don't you have a perc/will map? :|
You know there are some skills that help you fly spaceships (in combat) which require intelligence as primary attribute like Engineering or Navigation. |

Wyte Ragnarok
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Posted - 2012.04.17 11:13:00 -
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Yes. But most of them are core skills that you get before 10m SP. |

Mia Restolo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.17 17:25:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:My understanding was that the new rcial BC and destroyer skills will have a lower multiplier than the current generic skills.
The interview specifically said they wouldn't be doing this.
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Kalixian
Kings Full Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.18 21:13:00 -
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Roger Keen wrote:So if I get the blog and all the scatterd dev replys right, everyone who currently isn't remapped to Per/Wil will miss out on lots of free skillpoints. 
I'm currently INT/MEM and I'm training BC V. I lose about a week compared to a PER/WIL remmap, but in the long run I gain something like two months not having to train each racial BC V. And anyone who eventually might want those skills should do the same regardless of their current remap; you'll come out waaaaaay ahead in the long run. |

Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2012.04.19 08:20:00 -
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Kalixian wrote:Roger Keen wrote:So if I get the blog and all the scatterd dev replys right, everyone who currently isn't remapped to Per/Wil will miss out on lots of free skillpoints.  I'm currently INT/MEM and I'm training BC V. I lose about a week compared to a PER/WIL remmap, but in the long run I gain something like two months not having to train each racial BC V. And anyone who eventually might want those skills should do the same regardless of their current remap; you'll come out waaaaaay ahead in the long run.
Yup.
I now have all racial Cruisers at III minimum, plus BC V. So I'm supposed to receive the 4 racial BC skills at V. f they do not make it a lower level skill, I get 3 level 6 skills trained to V, just like that.
I also trained all racial frigates to IV minimum and today I'm putting Destroyers V in the queue. And that should be it. |
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