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ResOz
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Posted - 2004.07.14 13:12:00 -
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Interceptor insurance needs fixing big time, other ship classes get insurance based on mineral value and a little bit more with 100% insurance why not interceptors? Interceptors with 100% insurance get just over 300k back, way below there mineral base value see below:
20x Gravimetric Sensor Cluster: 550 Iso, Nocxium 137
30x Graviton Reactor unit : 25 mega, 103 zydrine
40 x magpulse thruster : 2200 mex, 137 nocxium,17607 pyerite
20 x quantum microprocessor 2200 mex, 550 isogen
25 x scalar capacitor unit 2751 mex, 171 nocx
30 x trimorphite armor plate 3301 mex , 52823 trit
total trit value:52,823.00 isk
total pye value: 70,428.00 isk
total mex value: 229,944.00 isk
total iso value: 41,250.00 isk
total nocxium value: 159,310.00 isk
total zyd value: 102,691.00 isk
total mega value: 103,850.00 isk
Total base mineral value of construction components for a crow is:760,296.00 isk
Additional Minerals required:
trit 212 : 212.00 isk
pye: 212 : 848.00 isk
mex: 21 : 462.00 isk
zyd: 11 : 10,967.00 isk
megacyte:11 : 45,694.00 isk
Morphite:5 : 35,000.00
total additional mins value : 93,183.00 isk
Total base mineral value (not inc condor): 853,479.00isk
Mineral prices came from Transstellar Shipping NPC buy orders:
mex 22.00isk
nocxium 358.00isk
iso 75.00isk
megacyte: 4154.00isk
zydrine 997.00isk
pye 4.00isk
trit 1.00isk
Although morphite price came from market at 7000.00isk.
The mineral content for the T2 components are what you get back if reprocessing with a char that has Refining LVL 4. Char also has Production Eff LVL 4.
If theres any mistakes in my math please corect me  I only woke up an hour ago and no coffee yet.
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ResOz
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Posted - 2004.07.14 13:12:00 -
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Interceptor insurance needs fixing big time, other ship classes get insurance based on mineral value and a little bit more with 100% insurance why not interceptors? Interceptors with 100% insurance get just over 300k back, way below there mineral base value see below:
20x Gravimetric Sensor Cluster: 550 Iso, Nocxium 137
30x Graviton Reactor unit : 25 mega, 103 zydrine
40 x magpulse thruster : 2200 mex, 137 nocxium,17607 pyerite
20 x quantum microprocessor 2200 mex, 550 isogen
25 x scalar capacitor unit 2751 mex, 171 nocx
30 x trimorphite armor plate 3301 mex , 52823 trit
total trit value:52,823.00 isk
total pye value: 70,428.00 isk
total mex value: 229,944.00 isk
total iso value: 41,250.00 isk
total nocxium value: 159,310.00 isk
total zyd value: 102,691.00 isk
total mega value: 103,850.00 isk
Total base mineral value of construction components for a crow is:760,296.00 isk
Additional Minerals required:
trit 212 : 212.00 isk
pye: 212 : 848.00 isk
mex: 21 : 462.00 isk
zyd: 11 : 10,967.00 isk
megacyte:11 : 45,694.00 isk
Morphite:5 : 35,000.00
total additional mins value : 93,183.00 isk
Total base mineral value (not inc condor): 853,479.00isk
Mineral prices came from Transstellar Shipping NPC buy orders:
mex 22.00isk
nocxium 358.00isk
iso 75.00isk
megacyte: 4154.00isk
zydrine 997.00isk
pye 4.00isk
trit 1.00isk
Although morphite price came from market at 7000.00isk.
The mineral content for the T2 components are what you get back if reprocessing with a char that has Refining LVL 4. Char also has Production Eff LVL 4.
If theres any mistakes in my math please corect me I only woke up an hour ago and no coffee yet.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.07.14 13:15:00 -
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It's being looked at 
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.07.14 13:15:00 -
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It's being looked at
Join the IC! |
Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.14 13:43:00 -
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wish I had a crow bpo
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.14 13:43:00 -
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wish I had a crow bpo
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Andrew Redburn
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Posted - 2004.07.14 13:49:00 -
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Since you pay 13M for a Crow on the market, insurance is no factor for the ones who have to buy them.
Right now, I get ~2M back from insurance, which is still a loss of 4.5M compared to the price I paid for my current crow. If I had to buy a new one at the current prices, I would even loose 11M.
In any case, the mineral value does never make up for the retail price and honestly, if you loose 11M or 12M, who cares for the difference?
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Andrew Redburn
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Posted - 2004.07.14 13:49:00 -
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Since you pay 13M for a Crow on the market, insurance is no factor for the ones who have to buy them.
Right now, I get ~2M back from insurance, which is still a loss of 4.5M compared to the price I paid for my current crow. If I had to buy a new one at the current prices, I would even loose 11M.
In any case, the mineral value does never make up for the retail price and honestly, if you loose 11M or 12M, who cares for the difference?
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ResOz
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Posted - 2004.07.14 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: ResOz on 14/07/2004 13:55:04
 Originally by: Andrew Redburn
Since you pay 13M for a Crow on the market, insurance is no factor for the ones who have to buy them.
Right now, I get ~2M back from insurance, which is still a loss of 4.5M compared to the price I paid for my current crow. If I had to buy a new one at the current prices, I would even loose 11M.
In any case, the mineral value does never make up for the retail price and honestly, if you loose 11M or 12M, who cares for the difference?
You don't get 2mill back anymore the top insurance payback is just over 300k for an interceptor. Also I didnt say the mineral value made up for the retail price what I am saying is the mineral value goes someway towards the insurance payouts for other classes of ships like BS or cruisers.
edit: Oresetes Thanks for the reply, any idea when they are going to finish looking into it seeing as it took them 1 DT to reduce the payout to 300k from the previous 2m.
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ResOz
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Posted - 2004.07.14 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: ResOz on 14/07/2004 13:55:04
Originally by: Andrew Redburn
Since you pay 13M for a Crow on the market, insurance is no factor for the ones who have to buy them.
Right now, I get ~2M back from insurance, which is still a loss of 4.5M compared to the price I paid for my current crow. If I had to buy a new one at the current prices, I would even loose 11M.
In any case, the mineral value does never make up for the retail price and honestly, if you loose 11M or 12M, who cares for the difference?
You don't get 2mill back anymore the top insurance payback is just over 300k for an interceptor. Also I didnt say the mineral value made up for the retail price what I am saying is the mineral value goes someway towards the insurance payouts for other classes of ships like BS or cruisers.
edit: Oresetes Thanks for the reply, any idea when they are going to finish looking into it seeing as it took them 1 DT to reduce the payout to 300k from the previous 2m.
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Fillmeup
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Posted - 2004.07.15 03:35:00 -
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Agreed - I only just got my first Interceptor, a Taranis, and was shocked to see that the insurance only covered like 10% of the purchase price (approx $6m cost, 300k insurance back on platinum)
This is somewhat of a joke. I know running around with advanced cloaks and stuff renders my point mute, but really, the insurance is just crazy at this point of time imho.
Until they bring insurance up to a realistic value, most people with interceptors will probably just keep using them for making quick trips between empire and 0.0, or for scouting.
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Fillmeup
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Posted - 2004.07.15 03:35:00 -
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Agreed - I only just got my first Interceptor, a Taranis, and was shocked to see that the insurance only covered like 10% of the purchase price (approx $6m cost, 300k insurance back on platinum)
This is somewhat of a joke. I know running around with advanced cloaks and stuff renders my point mute, but really, the insurance is just crazy at this point of time imho.
Until they bring insurance up to a realistic value, most people with interceptors will probably just keep using them for making quick trips between empire and 0.0, or for scouting.
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Core Bash
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Posted - 2004.07.15 08:08:00 -
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AGREED.
Notice when buying a Crow on the market, EVE warns you the average price is around 12 million ISK. Insurance pays out a little over 300,000 ISK. Something is definitely wrong here.
Current insurance payouts makes flying an Interceptor, especially a Crow, simply not practical. Insurance should be an option to cover the average market value of the cost of the ship, and should take into account fluxuation.
All I know is that I sweat every time I take my Crow out. |
Core Bash
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Posted - 2004.07.15 08:08:00 -
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AGREED.
Notice when buying a Crow on the market, EVE warns you the average price is around 12 million ISK. Insurance pays out a little over 300,000 ISK. Something is definitely wrong here.
Current insurance payouts makes flying an Interceptor, especially a Crow, simply not practical. Insurance should be an option to cover the average market value of the cost of the ship, and should take into account fluxuation.
All I know is that I sweat every time I take my Crow out. |
Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.07.15 08:52:00 -
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Keep it like this I have no issues with it at all. You pay the isk for a good ship that is in demand. Its a choice to pay the inflated prices on the market and there are many other ships if you don't like the deal.
This way they are currently the only class of ship that are worth anything market wise. All other ships can be pretty much throw away toys that don't hit the pocket too hard when you lose one. Don't come back and give me the old but what about my mods, most expensive mods are combat based so to use them means you at some point will be happily risking your ship.
BS yes cost 25+ million to insure but with these you can use them to mine back the isk required and most likely you will get a decent deal where you will not need the full amount from scratch.
There needs to be some exclusivity with ships instead of them being a viable option for every one who wants to try them. With inty's they are very good ships but with a sting if you lose them and this is what I want.
So instead of trying to up the insurance on these maybe we should be reducing the insurance on other ships to make it more a risk to own such expensive machines.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.07.15 08:52:00 -
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Keep it like this I have no issues with it at all. You pay the isk for a good ship that is in demand. Its a choice to pay the inflated prices on the market and there are many other ships if you don't like the deal.
This way they are currently the only class of ship that are worth anything market wise. All other ships can be pretty much throw away toys that don't hit the pocket too hard when you lose one. Don't come back and give me the old but what about my mods, most expensive mods are combat based so to use them means you at some point will be happily risking your ship.
BS yes cost 25+ million to insure but with these you can use them to mine back the isk required and most likely you will get a decent deal where you will not need the full amount from scratch.
There needs to be some exclusivity with ships instead of them being a viable option for every one who wants to try them. With inty's they are very good ships but with a sting if you lose them and this is what I want.
So instead of trying to up the insurance on these maybe we should be reducing the insurance on other ships to make it more a risk to own such expensive machines.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Core Bash
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Posted - 2004.07.15 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Pychian Vanervi
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Keep it like this I have no issues with it at all. You pay the isk for a good ship that is in demand.
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They're already exclusive ships since they require so much time to train for, then even more skills to properly fly and maintain. That keeps them a class of their own. The fact of the matter is that insurance, which SHOULD cover the price of the ship, doesn't. |
Core Bash
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Posted - 2004.07.15 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Pychian Vanervi
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Keep it like this I have no issues with it at all. You pay the isk for a good ship that is in demand.
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They're already exclusive ships since they require so much time to train for, then even more skills to properly fly and maintain. That keeps them a class of their own. The fact of the matter is that insurance, which SHOULD cover the price of the ship, doesn't. |
kieron
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Posted - 2004.07.15 19:23:00 -
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As stated before a number of times, insurance on Interceptors is being looked at. The current problem with the payout is that the cost of the t2 modules in interceptors are not being taken into consideration. Unless something unforseen occurs, the fix for insurance should go out with the next patch.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.07.15 19:23:00 -
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As stated before a number of times, insurance on Interceptors is being looked at. The current problem with the payout is that the cost of the t2 modules in interceptors are not being taken into consideration. Unless something unforseen occurs, the fix for insurance should go out with the next patch.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.15 19:26:00 -
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kieron,
how about a sticky at the top with a list of common questions players ***** about and the devs know about ... kinda a mini faq?
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.15 19:26:00 -
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kieron,
how about a sticky at the top with a list of common questions players ***** about and the devs know about ... kinda a mini faq?
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.07.15 20:58:00 -
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Interecptor insurance is how all the insurance should be
(and I do fly and lose them)
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.07.15 20:58:00 -
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Interecptor insurance is how all the insurance should be
(and I do fly and lose them)
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.07.15 21:21:00 -
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Id like to see either NPCs sell some tech2 components at the dev-specified price, or relase some BPO's for the stuff. Problem as I see it is theres just not enough components out there, and a lot of the components the NPC agents give as bonuses are worthless crap for the less popular ceptors.
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aka Cpt Bogus
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.07.15 21:21:00 -
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Id like to see either NPCs sell some tech2 components at the dev-specified price, or relase some BPO's for the stuff. Problem as I see it is theres just not enough components out there, and a lot of the components the NPC agents give as bonuses are worthless crap for the less popular ceptors.
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[SAK] And Proud Of It!
aka Cpt Bogus
Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? |
MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2004.07.15 21:25:00 -
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Quote:
Mineral prices came from Transstellar Shipping NPC buy orders
Get real !! 
MOOrovingian  "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2004.07.15 21:25:00 -
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Quote:
Mineral prices came from Transstellar Shipping NPC buy orders
Get real !!
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.15 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lao Tzu
Interecptor insurance is how all the insurance should be
(and I do fly and lose them)
I agree, I think 100% insurance should be removed and make the max 70%, that makes wars more realistic, and makes people think twice before going into battle It also allows pirates to hurt the crap out of people in 0.0 and force them to pay ransoms!
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.15 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lao Tzu
Interecptor insurance is how all the insurance should be
(and I do fly and lose them)
I agree, I think 100% insurance should be removed and make the max 70%, that makes wars more realistic, and makes people think twice before going into battle It also allows pirates to hurt the crap out of people in 0.0 and force them to pay ransoms!
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