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Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.12.07 22:09:00 - [31] Edited by: Sokratesz on 07/12/2008 22:13:33 Originally by: Shanzem if Russia launched nukes a large portion would be shot down and the damage to America or england would be minimal, the amount of damage Russia would take would be far greater. and with its current instability it would be the crushing blow for a already struggling country. the Russia`s would be more bitter and maybe a little ***ed, but even they know it would be a severe outcome on there part. just means that in MAD the Americans have the upper hand. To be fair i would be more scared of the states doing something rather stupid then Russia. edit* improper language sorry Your example is biased and overly simplistic. MAD relies on the premise that no nation (whoever it is is irrelevant) will ever gain first strike. When someone in the possession of nukes can somehow become invincible to ICBMs and conventional delivery methods (BMs, aircraft) himself then nuclear holocaust is but a scarred ego away. Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.07 22:24:00 - [32] Originally by: Shanzem Edited by: Shanzem on 07/12/2008 14:41:33 Edited by: Shanzem on 07/12/2008 14:28:04 Edited by: Shanzem on 07/12/2008 14:24:57 Originally by: Liranan Originally by: Shanzem sigh communist state again sorry. Give me a second and i will type them out HAHA, not a Communist state but let's say censorship gets irritating at times, sorry about that. But be honest, you have nothing better to do than spam the forums anyway its just **ing annoying why do we have to have a completely different you tube for our country.. when we had a perfectly nice and easy American one that the whole ing world could see. what.. do the English want to lock them selfs out to the rest of the world?. oh wait or is this how you cover up how bad your country is? then we treat geeks like ** for knowing better, kick them from the country and have a society of worthless sheep. hay at least we have a free health care and welfare state so they can mass reproduce!. Ninja edit: i am enjoying a nice ale, while watching you tube clips, gonna tidy my room soon and get my dinner, just another lazy Sunday afternoon! Hmmm, perhaps because transatlantic bandwidth is relatively expensive, so it's cheaper to direct UK browsers to UK mirrors?
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.07 22:29:00 - [33] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Shanzem Edited by: Shanzem on 07/12/2008 14:41:33 Edited by: Shanzem on 07/12/2008 14:28:04 Edited by: Shanzem on 07/12/2008 14:24:57 Originally by: Liranan Originally by: Shanzem sigh communist state again sorry. Give me a second and i will type them out HAHA, not a Communist state but let's say censorship gets irritating at times, sorry about that. But be honest, you have nothing better to do than spam the forums anyway its just **ing annoying why do we have to have a completely different you tube for our country.. when we had a perfectly nice and easy American one that the whole ing world could see. what.. do the English want to lock them selfs out to the rest of the world?. oh wait or is this how you cover up how bad your country is? then we treat geeks like ** for knowing better, kick them from the country and have a society of worthless sheep. hay at least we have a free health care and welfare state so they can mass reproduce!. Ninja edit: i am enjoying a nice ale, while watching you tube clips, gonna tidy my room soon and get my dinner, just another lazy Sunday afternoon! Hmmm, perhaps because transatlantic bandwidth is relatively expensive, so it's cheaper to direct UK browsers to UK mirrors? its is i assumed that there was enough competitors on transatlantic fiber cable that it was down to a cheap minimum, i understand with what you mean with bandwidth, the videos hog data -------------------------------------------
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.07 22:35:00 - [34] Edited by: Shanzem on 07/12/2008 22:37:20 Edited by: Shanzem on 07/12/2008 22:36:44 Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 07/12/2008 22:13:33 Originally by: Shanzem if Russia launched nukes a large portion would be shot down and the damage to America or england would be minimal, the amount of damage Russia would take would be far greater. and with its current instability it would be the crushing blow for a already struggling country. the Russia`s would be more bitter and maybe a little ***ed, but even they know it would be a severe outcome on there part. just means that in MAD the Americans have the upper hand. To be fair i would be more scared of the states doing something rather stupid then Russia. edit* improper language sorry Your example is biased and overly simplistic. MAD relies on the premise that no nation (whoever it is is irrelevant) will ever gain first strike. When someone in the possession of nukes can somehow become invincible to ICBMs and conventional delivery methods (BMs, aircraft) himself then nuclear holocaust is but a scarred ego away. MAD Mutual assured destruction (MAD; sometimes written as mutually assured destruction) is a doctrine of military strategy in which a full-scale use of nuclear weapons by two opposing sides would effectively result in the destruction of both the attacker and the defender. The missiles defense system, would give the Americans the upper hand. thus if Russia did launch the damage America would receive would be minimal compared to the damage Russia received. Not first strike, because once a launch is detected at Norad (Norad is built into an American mountain (actually it feature in SG1) and has a vast network of surveillance) America would also launch, so there fore there would be a time difference in striking but it wouldn't be a surprise.just a few minuets of difference before the missile hit there land. But i agree fully, one president with a bruised ego and a nut like George bush in power, real life fallout here we come! Ninja Edit: i wouldn't mind repopulating the planet... for humanity's sake -------------------------------------------
Liranan M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.12.08 01:26:00 - [35] The damage to the US would be 'minimal'. This system assumes that only one, or a few missile, will be launched. Russia and China have thousands of ICBM's with tens of thousands of warheads. The idea of a first strike is not total and utter destruction but the destruction of the opponents nuclear arsenal, preventing that opponent from launching their own missiles. This is why the system is nothing more than chest beating. Let's say it does work. What's stopping the Russians and the Chinese from developing a system to shoot it down? The US developed 'stealth' technology for 30 years and then declared the F-117 to the world. The Russians immediately showcased a radar system that can detect these 'stealth' planes. This is nothing but propaganda, from both sides. I have no idea what this 'SDI' shield is but it certainly isn't viable in a real nuclear war. Farjung is my God You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.
nahtoh Caldari StrikerCorp Dark Trinity Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.08 10:40:00 - [36] Originally by: Liranan The damage to the US would be 'minimal'. This system assumes that only one, or a few missile, will be launched. Russia and China have thousands of ICBM's with tens of thousands of warheads. The idea of a first strike is not total and utter destruction but the destruction of the opponents nuclear arsenal, preventing that opponent from launching their own missiles. This is why the system is nothing more than chest beating. Let's say it does work. What's stopping the Russians and the Chinese from developing a system to shoot it down? The US developed 'stealth' technology for 30 years and then declared the F-117 to the world. The Russians immediately showcased a radar system that can detect these 'stealth' planes. This is nothing but propaganda, from both sides. I have no idea what this 'SDI' shield is but it certainly isn't viable in a real nuclear war. Its not a orbital system but a ground launched intercper missile, kinda hard to "shoot down". ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.12.08 10:58:00 - [37] nukes going off anywhere is bad news for the whole world, really. If even a fraction of the global stockpile is detonated, then the result is a LOT of particulate radioactive debris getting into the higher-atmosphere currents and circulating the globe. Modern nukes are very clean indeed relative to older models, but that doesn't make them fully clean - just more clean. set a nuke off, and you're still distributing Uranium over a very wide area. who the hell cares about missile defence systems and all that crap if the whole northern hemisphere suffers radiation poisoning as a result? - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Liranan M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.12.08 11:02:00 - [38] Originally by: nahtoh Its not a orbital system but a ground launched intercper missile, kinda hard to "shoot down". I totally misunderstood but my argument still stands, how many can any nation shoot down before thousands upon thousands rain down upon them? Take a tactical submarine. They have 10-11 ICBM's with at least 10 warheads each. We're talking over 100 warheads fired from within 20km of your coast leaving you seconds before megatones rain down on you. Farjung is my God You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link.
Mhtsotakis	Posted - 2008.12.08 14:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Stitcher nukes going off anywhere is bad news for the whole world, really. If even a fraction of the global stockpile is detonated, then the result is a LOT of particulate radioactive debris getting into the higher-atmosphere currents and circulating the globe. Modern nukes are very clean indeed relative to older models, but that doesn't make them fully clean - just more clean. set a nuke off, and you're still distributing Uranium over a very wide area. who the hell cares about missile defence systems and all that crap if the whole northern hemisphere suffers radiation poisoning as a result? There is really no reason to be afraid of radiation poisoning anymore. Just means more use of Rad-x and Radaway to keep you clean. Im sure I remember some company developed them and were essential for some poor guys survival in a wasteland somewhere. Modern technology will save us all.

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