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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Universe At War
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Posted - 2008.12.08 00:24:00 -
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Which is silly of course. I've had the better of the fights, but I'd much preferred to be fighting WTs. I was thinking, why not simply prevent neutrals from entering the plexes ? You can hardly expect people to try to do defensive plexing if they get bothered by a pie interceptor every 2 minutes. With the vast amount of pirates swarming over Black Rise, it is hard on a solo or small fleet plexer. To clarify, I am not angry, but a little disappointed. The only time I see WTs is in a blob fest, and we all know how much fun those are.
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Louis DelaBlanche
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.12.08 02:51:00 -
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If they locked neutrals out of the plexes, would you have fought anyone? Personally the best fights I had at the plexes were with or involved pies rather than FW plexers
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.12.08 04:13:00 -
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in eve you are expected to fight against reds and neuts.
WTs are reds, pirates are neuts. --
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Letrange
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2008.12.08 04:56:00 -
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And the reason you aren't forming up the types of fleets to address these issues is?
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Universe At War
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Posted - 2008.12.08 11:31:00 -
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I don't attack pirates first of course, because of the sec hit. So if you go looking for a fight against pies you will have to let them dictate the terms as they will strike the first blow. Which Sun Tzu will tell you means you have lost before the battle has started. I'm also not going to mess with a pie if there are 5 of his friends in system. I'm not that rich :)
It's not so easy to get a fleet up and running in militia as you think and my corp is good, but small. I guess I'll have to work on my FC skills and try to get more people to x up in milita before heading out.
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Radcjk
Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.12.08 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre I don't attack pirates first of course, because of the sec hit.
Any one worth shooting is worth shooting first. Any one worth knocking their boat out from under them is worth sending home to a clone.
You'll learn padawan.
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Lord Zekk
Caldari Ninmu Seijaku
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Posted - 2008.12.08 11:46:00 -
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As far as I know, any self respecting pie has a sec status for -9 or worse. So no sec status hits.
Though you are probably right about the fleet part. Pirating isn't the most profitably profession in the game so they tend to pick their fight well and FW isn't know for its uber professional fleets. The only counter there is to this strategy is to find a good FW corp and fly with company as far as possible.
Personally I like the whole idea of pies interfering. Vicious pirates taking advantage of Empires battling one another in the corners of space. Kind of makes sense. |
Friedrick Psitalon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.08 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Zekk As far as I know, any self respecting pie has a sec status for -9 or worse. So no sec status hits.
Though you are probably right about the fleet part. Pirating isn't the most profitably profession in the game so they tend to pick their fight well and FW isn't know for its uber professional fleets. The only counter there is to this strategy is to find a good FW corp and fly with company as far as possible.
Personally I like the whole idea of pies interfering. Vicious pirates taking advantage of Empires battling one another in the corners of space. Kind of makes sense.
Totally this. |
H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.12.08 15:25:00 -
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Faction warfare has at least managed to bring some people who want to fight to losec. Separating us poor innocent pirates from them by artificial barriers would not really help to make FW more fun.
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Threv Echandari
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2008.12.08 17:39:00 -
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I like Pies in my 'plexes it make things interesting as they will actually fight. If you soloing plexes you should be in a dessie anyway if you want to kill players.. or in a an AF if you are doing stuff bigger than a minor. Though since minors are easier to solo, it should filter out the majority of Pies who are flying T2.. Don't worry about he Sec hit. Take a break and do some missions and you'll be back to where you need to be. I know its hard to get militia pilots to join up but its doable be persistent. You don't need more than 5 to get some good 'plexing going and take care of most pirates that jump the plexes anyways. (make sure at least one of you has Griffin or Kitsune on hand to keep their DPS down.
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Furian Giaume
Warhead Delivery Systems
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Posted - 2008.12.08 18:28:00 -
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The problem isn't Pies in plexes, it's lack of Caldari WTs in plexes. I've had fights with pies at plexes, and lost ships a couple of times, but I've won more than I lost. Pies tend to be better pilots, too, so you can get good fights from them. And they have better loot
I rarely see Caldari WTs lately, to the point that FW is getting quite boring. So, can we get more Pies in plexes please?
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.12.08 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Radcjk Any one worth shooting is worth shooting first.
This is really good advice __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2008.12.08 23:09:00 -
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Actually, something should be done about this but it isn't keeping the pirates out of plexes - it's just not causing someone signed up for FW to take a security hit for shooting them first.
If it's a FW plex and non-FW people stick their noses in there - any FW personnel should be free to shoot them off with no repercussions from Concord to their security status.
No one's restricted from joining in the fight but no one has an advantage either.
Problem solved.
Of course ... they probably won't do that ... but *shrug* whatever.
Faction Schools Orbiting vs. Kiting |
Joe Public
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.12.09 12:26:00 -
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I understand that having pirates get involved in your FW experience is not what you want, but you must spare a thought for those of us that do want it.
You will have to adapt and overcome this particular issue yourself, as many other FW pilots and corps already have.
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The Tzar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2008.12.09 12:50:00 -
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If you wish to fight FW targets and not pirates, engage your FW counterparts in highsec. __________________________________________
'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________ |
Gabriel Theodoulos
Amarr Vigilia Valeria Expeditionary Forces
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Posted - 2008.12.09 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Actually, something should be done about this but it isn't keeping the pirates out of plexes - it's just not causing someone signed up for FW to take a security hit for shooting them first.
If it's a FW plex and non-FW people stick their noses in there - any FW personnel should be free to shoot them off with no repercussions from Concord to their security status.
I agree with this thought. Pirates who enter a specific battlefield, such as open plexes found in system, are already looking to engage opponents. When they jump through that Acceleration Gate, they are no long Neutral and should be able to be engaged without losing Security Status.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Universe At War
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Posted - 2008.12.09 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Actually, something should be done about this but it isn't keeping the pirates out of plexes - it's just not causing someone signed up for FW to take a security hit for shooting them first.
If it's a FW plex and non-FW people stick their noses in there - any FW personnel should be free to shoot them off with no repercussions from Concord to their security status.
No one's restricted from joining in the fight but no one has an advantage either.
Problem solved.
Of course ... they probably won't do that ... but *shrug* whatever.
I think this is a great idea. I would not mind them interfering with plexing if I would not be "punished" for defending "my" plex. And pies would like it because perhaps then people would tend to fight more in the plexes.
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.12.09 13:25:00 -
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Louis deGuerre, rest assured that you can shoot me any time without hurting your security status. You may get the first shot, but I'll do everything in my position to get the last shot in our engagement
My opinion is purely personal and not related to my alliance |
Louis deGuerre
Gallente Universe At War
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Posted - 2008.12.09 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: H Lecter Louis deGuerre, rest assured that you can shoot me any time without hurting your security status. You may get the first shot, but I'll do everything in my position to get the last shot in our engagement
I'll be seeing you around
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Threv Echandari
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2008.12.09 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Actually, something should be done about this but it isn't keeping the pirates out of plexes - it's just not causing someone signed up for FW to take a security hit for shooting them first.
If it's a FW plex and non-FW people stick their noses in there - any FW personnel should be free to shoot them off with no repercussions from Concord to their security status.
No one's restricted from joining in the fight but no one has an advantage either.
Problem solved.
Of course ... they probably won't do that ... but *shrug* whatever.
Actually thats Good idea... FW plexes should be "Free Fire Zones" since technically non FW players are interfering with legitimate military operations. So taking a Sec hit for attacking a trespasser is silly. ---------------------------------------- Happiness is a Wet Pod
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 00:18:00 -
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You people need to find a different abbreviation for pirate.
That is all.
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Burn Mac
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:20:00 -
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Some advice whould be to keep looking at your overview since if we pies jump in to your plex while your plexing we will land approx 50-60 km off you giving you well enough time to GTFO. Either that or you have a dedicated tackler orbitting the entrance beacon to get the first shot at the pirate (you should have this anyways). And sec hit my ass im trying hard as hell to keep my sec status at a near -10 just so that you guys dont have to worry about shooting me in fact i encourage you to shoot at me anytime im on the same grid. :D
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:57:00 -
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The best way, and the only way to fight the FW is to believe everyone in Black Rise, other than your militia, are HOSTILE. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
Kessiaan
Minmatar Army of One
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 11/12/2008 16:13:46 I've noticed a big increase in the last couple of weeks in pirate activity in the border area between Caldari and Gallente space.
I don't see it as being a big issue - hell, more **** to shoot at is always good. I have noticed the pirates are rather reluctant to fight anyplace other than gates, which makes me a sad frog since there's no way I'm going to fight 2x HACs and a HIC on a gate in my Thorax or AF, gate guns or no.
I'll shoot at anyone that comes in my plex though (at least, anyone that doesn't have some immediately apparent huge advantage over me, like HAC vs AF or something silly like that). ... besides, I've said all I'm going to say. You're reading my sig now! Bwa!
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Sanka Cofie
Amarr Fractured Core
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:14:00 -
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Part 1. Complain about the total lack of Caldari willing to fight. Part 2. Recommend an idea to block combat from people who actually DO want to fight.
Your post makes no sense to us. ~-~-~-~-~ -[WillChat4ISK]- I can be the handsome Amarr space captain. You can be the helpless Minmatar slave girl. |
Louis deGuerre
Gallente Universe At War
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:18:00 -
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I tried to organize a fleet and operate like that and that went a little better. Killed twice, podded once, but did get on the killmail. My hat off to the pirates that did in fact have -9 sec status allowing a fight without sec loss and trouble with gate guns. Now if you could just operate in 5 men fleets instead of 10 I'd be really happy
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EChaos
Gallente Damage Distribution Incorporated Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: The Tzar If you wish to fight FW targets and not pirates, engage your FW counterparts in highsec.
I'm gonna take a wild guess here that you don't understand how FW works.
It's not like a normal WarDec, insomuch as if a Gallentean Militia member goes into Amarr or Caldari HiSec for targets, their Faction Navy NPC's will rain down holy smitings upon the offending Militia ship(s).
Sure, some have raided hisec, myself among them, but few have done it successfully, and only one or two Corps have done it well enough that it's actually worth noting (looking at you, FOOM).
For the OP:
Not all pirates are -10.0, some of us do our dirty deeds in HiSec, using allowed game mechanics to cheat, swindle, steal, and even kill, often with more success than can be found in LoSec, all while retaining an acceptable security status.
It doesn't matter where you live, you're gonna have to deal with us
Originally by: Mithos Victus
As a combat pilot implementing new mining ships is a waste of my time and I demand all mining and industry be removed from the game because it distresses me greatly that I am |
Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:28:00 -
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FW is not meant to be instanced, the local pirate population just make FW activities more risky.
*** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
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