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Dyaven
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.12.08 18:56:00 -
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I like the Ishkur, it's a fun ship, but I'd like to try out the Enyo was well. However, two mid slots on a ship that basically screams 'blaster boat' means certain death. I do not fit a web (I use a Cap Booster) on my usual Ishkur fit, but I don't need it. My drones can fight up to ~50km with my skills, and they're my main source of DPS. I find that I rarely even use my guns on my Ishkur, as I prefer kiting my target, and they're just a last resort.
However, on the Enyo, I feel as if going toe-to-toe with any AF (Most of my targets, I hang out in a FW area) will end in certain doom due my inability to keep a target in blaster range. Is the Enyo viable at all for solo work, or would an Ishkur fare better in every situation like it seems?
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.12.08 19:05:00 -
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I use rails on Enyos.
You could try a scrambler and null ammo also.
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Mire Stoude
Cash Money Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.08 19:06:00 -
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The Enyo is a nice gang ship as your friends will help tackle while you provide some DPS (about 220 or so I think) with it's blasters. The Enyo has a slightly better tank too. However, the Ishkur can perform the DPS role as well. It has good DPS with drones (70-100 depending on drones). But it can get another 120-140 DPS from fitting electron blasters. Plus the Ishkur can be setup with full tackle.
I would say the Ishkur is the best choice.
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Letifer Deus
A Astroid Belt
Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.12.08 19:45:00 -
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For solo work, ishkur wins by a long shot.
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Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2008.12.08 19:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Letifer Deus
For solo work, ishkur wins by a long shot.
Quite seriously not trying to troll -- I love the Ishkur and have near max drone skills for lights -- but you might want to try the Taranis instead of the Enyo. Unfortunately, the ceptor actually beats the AF in pretty much all categories.
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.08 20:11:00 -
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Enyo is a gang tool. Period.
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.12.08 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
Enyo is a gang tool. Period.
Yeah I agree. I chased off a gang of two inties and an AF that where trying to pop me. Inties ran off in structure and the retribution didnt had a point.
Great gang tool.
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.09 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Trevor Warps
Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
Enyo is a gang tool. Period.
Yeah I agree. I chased off a gang of two inties and an AF that where trying to pop me. Inties ran off in structure and the retribution didnt had a point.
Great gang tool.
Just out of curiosity, what ship did you have for them to screw up so badly? :)
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Kessiaan
Minmatar
Army of One
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Posted - 2008.12.09 09:27:00 -
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For solo, it's hard to go wrong with the Ishkur these days, so long as you got the top-notch drone skills to back it up.
125mm rails + warrior IIs will swat interceptors effortlessly, it has the range and speed (with a T2 or cheap complex AB) to kite short-range AFs long enough to shoot them to bits, and if you're willing to invest the ISK in a PG rig it can fit a 200mm RRT instead of the usual explosive hardener or EANM II, which bumps up its EHP high enough to win shootouts with dessies or the odd Jaguar / Wolf, as well as giving it somewhat of a buffer when going up against cruisers.
The only thing the Enyo does better than the Ishkur is DPS - and you have to practically crawl up their ass before you can apply your face-melting DPS.
A good Enyo, however, is a lot cheaper than a good Ishkur. That, along with it's superior DPS makes it my choice for a gang ship if all you can use is Gallente AFs. If you can use it though I feel a Jaguar is a better ship as it has the speed and mids to be able to tackle.
... besides, I've said all I'm going to say. You're reading my sig now! Bwa!
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Forum Chav
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Posted - 2008.12.09 11:53:00 -
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i bought an enyo the other day for .0 ratting. i kid you not, i got a 968 'excellent' hit on a bs rat. i sh*t myself.
then i thought, hold on, even with only two med slots, why can't the enyo pvp solo? surely it has to be utterly lethal against larger ships than itself as all it would need to shut them down would be one of the 'new' t2 scrams that kill mwd and warp and orbit @ 1300 with AB on?
i didn't get an oppo to take it out into solo pvp yesterday, but will do so later after today's dt. anyone think this is a flawed plan or might it just work?
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Dreadmuppet Four
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Posted - 2008.12.09 11:59:00 -
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something like this I guess
834m/s
341DPS heated, salvager is a HS
cap stable
[Enyo, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Reactive Plating II
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
1MN Afterburner II
Light Neutron Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge S
Salvager I
Light Neutron Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge S
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Hobgoblin II x1
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
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Posted - 2008.12.09 12:41:00 -
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Tbh I would just screw the point. Get a web and Ab/MWD to get in range and pound the target to death before they get the chance to warp.
Otherwise, fly an ishkur or taranis.
All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me..
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Lim Lim
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Posted - 2008.12.09 13:31:00 -
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scram is the new web.
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Blindman081
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:34:00 -
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I picked an Enyo since I have low drone skills, but also have a Taranis fit almost the same. I say almost because the Enyo also has a little bit of tank where as the Taranis is straight guns and mag-stabs.
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Xindi Kraid
Cerulean Sky Fire Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:51:00 -
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The enyo does pretty good damage and since it's a frigate, it doesn't need a web against anything other than an interceptor when you fly solo.
THe Ishkur is a good ship, but it's not quite as much use unless you have good drone skills.
-Xindi Kraid
CSFI lead engineer and shipwright
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Dyaven
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Xindi Kraid
The enyo does pretty good damage and since it's a frigate, it doesn't need a web against anything other than an interceptor when you fly solo.
THe Ishkur is a good ship, but it's not quite as much use unless you have good drone skills.
That would be true, if it were not for the fact that other people have webs and scrams as well. Scrams prevent the use of a MWD being practical, and an AF with an AB that has room for a web will be much faster than an Enyo with an AB.
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Paltuf
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Posted - 2008.12.11 12:57:00 -
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I think its really down to the skill points of the pilots if you have 4mill+ in drones (Basicly all the skills maxed which count Interfacing and Drones specs) and you have maxed your hybrid skills then the Ishkur will be the better ship to use as there is not many things that can out run your Drone DPS and when you can get in close or even use rails depending if you have a tackler with you, you can give alot more dps or even Nos/Nuet combo which ever you like.. Also you can deliver a wider range of damage type with the Ishkur.
Done get me wrong the enyo is a High DPS AF and i have done my fair share of pvp in one and took much larger ships down with one. but with high skill point toons the Ishkur is the better ship imo
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Dasalt Istgut
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Posted - 2008.12.11 15:04:00 -
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The Enyo is not actually designed as a blaster boat. Its designed for rails (optimal bonus, no full tackle). Its usually fitted with blasters just because rail boats are mostly less effective, especially at the frigate size.
Still, its decent with rails. Problem with blasters is mostly because you can't both web and scram other AF's so they can burn around you with an afterburner and you can't hold them in optimal or track them well with null.
Its still a decent ship - just in every measurable way worse than the ishkur.
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Suitonia
Gallente
interimo
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 15:13:00 -
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If you want a solo frig-sized blaster boat then the Taranis outperforms the Enyo. Ishkur is the better choice for solo. Enyo is more suited to using railguns due to the optimal bonus it gets, it can snipe at around 70km I believe.
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
Just out of curiosity, what ship did you have for them to screw up so badly? :)
I had Enyo vs retribution, crow and another inty, cant remember which ... a minmatar one maybe ... or a raptor ...
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SomeHardLovin
Rain of Fire
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:34:00 -
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I can't see an enyo surviving vs a retribution. I like my enyo.. but the DPS on the Ret is insane if configured properly.. higher than any other AF I believe.
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