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Serious Fail
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Posted - 2008.12.09 03:52:00 -
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In empire, moons in good research-systems are spammed with offline poses and without dreads, it's a pain to remove them with battleships only. And in 0.0, alliances could even abuse this system to spam every moon in a system to avoid hostiles to put up towers.
Furthermore, it is rediculous, that offline towers have the same amount of shield/armor/structure and even shield recharge as online towers.
POSes are abused as place holders.
So my suggestion: make offline-pos "hackable" or introduce another game mechanics to unanchor them. Because if someone doesn't refuel and care about his tower, other people should just be able to loot it with just a few more effort than unmanned ships in space or containers.
Offline-pos are just annoying space junk.
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Drake Draconis
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.09 06:23:00 -
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I would say let the empire faction either destroy it or sell it off in such a way that you could rebuy it.
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Serious Fail
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Posted - 2008.12.09 12:25:00 -
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of course i support my idea 
Another issue I forgot to mention:
Offline towers create DED-Mails when they get attacked just like online ones. So if you are sitting in empire hitting a tower with 30 BS, it is not unusual that the owner just shows up, ninja-refuels the tower, anchors some mods and you have to retreat.
So if you want to make shure the offline tower gets destroyed, you have to bring enough battle-ships to pop it in reasonable time before the owner shows up with a single hauler. But not every empire corp can bring the 100 man blobb, I think it is even more than an average empire corp has as total member count. |
Bunyip
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Posted - 2008.12.09 12:33:00 -
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I like the idea of a hackable offline tower. I'm not sure whether towers apply to the "30 days and it's gone" container rule, but I have seen evidence of offline towers already. I'll add this to my list of things to recommend to the CSM when the major issues have been dealt with.
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
Rock'n'Roll Lady
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Posted - 2008.12.09 13:28:00 -
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some thing needs to be done about it, almost every high sec system that has some research & factory slots are spammed to death by offline towers.
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Grann Thefauto
Divine Insanity
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Posted - 2008.12.09 17:49:00 -
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I'm all about reducing clutter.
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Runewitch
Gallente
Celestial Ascension
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:01:00 -
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I don't really like this. I'd rather see offline towers and mods go the way of the GSC, that is >poof< upon expiration of 30 days. No point rewarding some trash hauler with nothing better to do than search out DG towers all day long.
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Serious Fail
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Runewitch
I don't really like this. I'd rather see offline towers and mods go the way of the GSC, that is >poof< upon expiration of 30 days. No point rewarding some trash hauler with nothing better to do than search out DG towers all day long.
Yes, I already thought of treating POS like GSCs, but I think people will just go round and unanchor/reanchor their pos and reserve the moon for just another 30 days.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.09 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/12/2008 19:26:52
If you leave something in space, unprotected, and someone with the right skills comes along, they should be able to take it for profit. That is what would happen to a ship right?
I can see it now. Someone jumping online knowing the fuel is gone and crossing their fingers that the POS is still there when they log in 
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn
NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
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Bunyip
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Posted - 2008.12.09 20:13:00 -
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I've been thinking about this. I remember a time when CCP declared that cargo cans used to 'reserve' moons was an exploit. Perhaps they should just increase this to include POSes that have been offline for an extended period.
Just my .02 ISK
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
Serious Fail
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Posted - 2008.12.09 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip
I've been thinking about this. I remember a time when CCP declared that cargo cans used to 'reserve' moons was an exploit. Perhaps they should just increase this to include POSes that have been offline for an extended period.
Just my .02 ISK
Would also be a solution. But I think, a pure player driven game mechanic would be less stress for everyone than using the petition system. I also wouldn't mind if there would be a module to >poof< offline poses to sink some more useles isk in Eve, or make it skill/chance based if a tower goes >poof< while "hacking" it or not.
All I want is a game mechanic to get rid of offline towers without bringing out teh blobb 
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.09 22:27:00 -
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If its that big of a deal... have them go "poof" in 48 hours much like the usual garbage that gets cleared.
This forces everyone to be "studious".
You snooze... you loose.
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Kimmel Popf
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:27:00 -
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definitely worth to be looked at
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XetC
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:22:00 -
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I went looking for a system to setup a research POS. One system I looked at every moon in there (27) and all but one had a POS in place. 26 POS only 1/2 were online. If there are people willing to remove offlined POS that have not been used in over 30 days time then let them at it.
Some new skills maybe or better use of ones we already have. Also! this would take some of the load off the petition users for offlined POS questions. Player base can now take care of it. Let it fall under theft mechanics if need be.
Its cold in space, at least on the dark side of the moon.
Good Idea.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:58:00 -
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I tend to just war-deck the offending corporation whom has an off-line tower and just completely destroy it. Doesn't take too long with a decent battleship fleet and an off-line tower. =)
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Nick Domani
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Posted - 2008.12.12 03:00:00 -
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POSs are not abused as place holders. POSs are allowed to place-hold, containers are not.
First...there are only two qualifications for a system to be a 'good research system.' They are: there must be moons, and there must be a station with available offices. You don't need (and in some cases don't want) laboratory slots in the system because you're providing your own lab slots. Available manufacturing slots can be a good bonus, but that's completely independent from your highsec POS.
Second...if someone wants to place 100-400 or more million ISK in the form of a tower at risk of destruction in order to reserve a moon for later use, that shouldn't be countered by whining on a petition or activating a module. Grow a pair and wardec. If you don't have the resources at your disposal (whether organic or for hire) to blow up an offline POS, you aren't ready to be in the POS game in the first place.
Third...learn the difference between shields and force fields. One is active only when the tower is online, the other is always active whether the tower is on- or offline.
As for not being able to find an empty moon, GTFOO(whatever hub you're in). This summer I found plenty of empty moons when I was looking for places to anchor my towers...some only two jumps from Jita. |
Shinma Apollo
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Shinma Apollo on 12/12/2008 05:17:09
Completely opposed to the change unless changes in sov system are made. It'd entirely change the cost/benefit scale of system defense only because some carebears are too lazy to go get a few torp ravens and pay a wardec fee to do the removal themselves.
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Xindi Kraid
Cerulean Sky Fire Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shinma Apollo
Edited by: Shinma Apollo on 12/12/2008 05:17:09
Completely opposed to the change unless changes in sov system are made. It'd entirely change the cost/benefit scale of system defense only because some carebears are too lazy to go get a few torp ravens and pay a wardec fee to do the removal themselves.
Um the problem is it takes more than a few ravens to remove a large tower
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Personally I think if the tower goes offline then it starts burning the stront bay to maintain the anchor and a few hours after that is gone the tower and all of it's mods unanchor and ANYONE with a big enough ship can scoop them.
Additionally if the tower goes offline the shields drop and the tower can be popped fairly quickly if you don't want to wait for the tower to unanchor itself.
-Xindi Kraid
CSFI lead engineer and shipwright
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Shinma Apollo
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Xindi Kraid
Edited by: Xindi Kraid on 12/12/2008 06:19:55
Originally by: Shinma Apollo
Edited by: Shinma Apollo on 12/12/2008 05:17:09
Completely opposed to the change unless changes in sov system are made. It'd entirely change the cost/benefit scale of system defense only because some carebears are too lazy to go get a few torp ravens and pay a wardec fee to do the removal themselves.
Um the problem is it takes more than a few ravens to remove a large tower
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Personally I think if the tower goes offline then it starts burning the stront bay to maintain the anchor and a few hours after that is gone the tower and all of it's mods unanchor and ANYONE with a big enough ship can scoop them.
Additionally if the tower goes offline the shields drop and the tower can be popped fairly quickly if you don't want to wait for the tower to unanchor itself.
Get more friends, or more patience. Offlined towers have a very specific tactical purpose in the game that's simply not going to be easily replaced. If you want a moon well enough, you should be willing to put the effort to take it, or pay someone.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:29:00 -
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I'd certainly like to be able to unanchor those offlined POSes in my favourite mission hubs. The stations are maintained by one-man companies, why shouldn't a one-man company be able to take it away?
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Dasfry
Caldari
Demio's Corporation
101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Serious Fail
Yes, I already thought of treating POS like GSCs, but I think people will just go round and unanchor/reanchor their pos and reserve the moon for just another 30 days.
But that means they have to maintain it, its no longer free
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Dasfry, Director
Demio's Corporation
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Sally Bestonge
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:07:00 -
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You're ******ed wardec the corp and shoot them it if its worth it to you there are ingame mechanics to make them go away shut up.
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Popperr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.12 18:01:00 -
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just use a few cap stable amarr bs and go afk
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