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Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.07.15 12:09:00 -
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Simple question. Is everyone allowed to put up scams on escrow, or is it forbidden and a bannable offense. |
Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.07.15 12:09:00 -
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Simple question. Is everyone allowed to put up scams on escrow, or is it forbidden and a bannable offense. |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.07.15 12:17:00 -
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Like with all things bordering on being an exploit it depends on....X
X being a factor determined by the GM involved, the circumstances, a players history of behaviour, and the whinage of the community a.o.
Your poorly executed scamming attempt using dozens of escrows with non-resembling worthless items instead of the suggested nice ones I would not consider an exploit for the scamming thing, but If I were GM I'd surely warn you for being an ******* and cluttering up one of our trade mechanisms. I find escrow cluttering very offensive, so it's good I'm not a GM.
Now scamming as a whole is no exploit in my book as long as the scam can be recognised by means widely known to the community (like looking at the contents of an escrow or doing a "show info" on a trade item). However, escrow scams have become so damn annoying to the population as a whole that I would not object to them being removed from the game.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.07.15 12:17:00 -
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Like with all things bordering on being an exploit it depends on....X
X being a factor determined by the GM involved, the circumstances, a players history of behaviour, and the whinage of the community a.o.
Your poorly executed scamming attempt using dozens of escrows with non-resembling worthless items instead of the suggested nice ones I would not consider an exploit for the scamming thing, but If I were GM I'd surely warn you for being an ******* and cluttering up one of our trade mechanisms. I find escrow cluttering very offensive, so it's good I'm not a GM.
Now scamming as a whole is no exploit in my book as long as the scam can be recognised by means widely known to the community (like looking at the contents of an escrow or doing a "show info" on a trade item). However, escrow scams have become so damn annoying to the population as a whole that I would not object to them being removed from the game.
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stok
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Posted - 2004.07.15 12:28:00 -
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Are you planning something?
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stok
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Posted - 2004.07.15 12:28:00 -
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Are you planning something?
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Today is a good day to kill |
Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2004.07.15 13:44:00 -
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No . . . buyer beware. However the escrow needs to be better organized (think eBay).
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Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2004.07.15 13:44:00 -
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No . . . buyer beware. However the escrow needs to be better organized (think eBay).
... That's when I reach for my revolver ... |
Caanan
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Posted - 2004.07.15 13:53:00 -
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If you get scammed in escrow then you're either really stupid or don't know how escrow works.
You always inspect merchandise before buying.
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Caanan
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Posted - 2004.07.15 13:53:00 -
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If you get scammed in escrow then you're either really stupid or don't know how escrow works.
You always inspect merchandise before buying.
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camellia
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:17:00 -
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 Originally by: stok
Are you planning something?
Have you looked at escrow recently for Tech2SHoppes products?
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camellia
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: stok
Are you planning something?
Have you looked at escrow recently for Tech2SHoppes products?
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:20:00 -
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The simple answer is you have been told not too Tech2 Shoppe, which makes any answer given in this thread totally pointless.
However a more interesting question is, "what should the punishment be for escrow scams?"
It would be nice there was a proper risk/reward calculation for escrow scams.
Currently for the scammer it is all reward.
For everyone else it is all downside, a cluttered and useless escrow and the potential of being scammed for millions of isk for worthless junk.
It would be nice if the veil of secrecy concerning the "family tree" could be lifted by CCP in these instances and they simply name and shame, a persons entire list of characters, alts, mains, other accounts, the lot.
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Omega Man
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:20:00 -
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The simple answer is you have been told not too Tech2 Shoppe, which makes any answer given in this thread totally pointless.
However a more interesting question is, "what should the punishment be for escrow scams?"
It would be nice there was a proper risk/reward calculation for escrow scams.
Currently for the scammer it is all reward.
For everyone else it is all downside, a cluttered and useless escrow and the potential of being scammed for millions of isk for worthless junk.
It would be nice if the veil of secrecy concerning the "family tree" could be lifted by CCP in these instances and they simply name and shame, a persons entire list of characters, alts, mains, other accounts, the lot.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:24:00 -
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The question is, is it a scam if the other party can't read the fine details? I would think that would be more taking advantage of the weak minded.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:24:00 -
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The question is, is it a scam if the other party can't read the fine details? I would think that would be more taking advantage of the weak minded.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids
The question is, is it a scam if the other party can't read the fine details? I would think that would be more taking advantage of the weak minded.
I would see any trade where the item traded is not the item the buyer expects to get a scam, provided the seller has willingly continued with the trade while knowingly delivering a different item.
In theory, a scam onyl should be deemed an exploit when it uses game mechanics in a way to gain an infair advantage. In the case of escrow scamming this could only apply when the widely known and used game mechanics concerning escrow trading do not give the buyer the opportunity to make sure he is not getting scammed.
If you can't know it's a scam, it's an exploit. If you can know it, it's a scam only. At least, that would be the most logical stance imo.
Thus escrow scamming is not an exploit.
But people can get banned or warned for other things then exploits...
I would happily consider excrow scamming, maybe only if done in great volume like tech2 shoppe did, a form of griefing and harassment of the player group using escrow for it's intended purpose of trading. This makes it an offense against the EULA and ingame rules. That, I think, is why Tech2 shoppe got that warning he says he got, or at least that would make some senso to me personally.
But I guess i've now gone and discussed GM actions and exploit/ EULA offences this thread gets ended soon.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids
The question is, is it a scam if the other party can't read the fine details? I would think that would be more taking advantage of the weak minded.
I would see any trade where the item traded is not the item the buyer expects to get a scam, provided the seller has willingly continued with the trade while knowingly delivering a different item.
In theory, a scam onyl should be deemed an exploit when it uses game mechanics in a way to gain an infair advantage. In the case of escrow scamming this could only apply when the widely known and used game mechanics concerning escrow trading do not give the buyer the opportunity to make sure he is not getting scammed.
If you can't know it's a scam, it's an exploit. If you can know it, it's a scam only. At least, that would be the most logical stance imo.
Thus escrow scamming is not an exploit.
But people can get banned or warned for other things then exploits...
I would happily consider excrow scamming, maybe only if done in great volume like tech2 shoppe did, a form of griefing and harassment of the player group using escrow for it's intended purpose of trading. This makes it an offense against the EULA and ingame rules. That, I think, is why Tech2 shoppe got that warning he says he got, or at least that would make some senso to me personally.
But I guess i've now gone and discussed GM actions and exploit/ EULA offences this thread gets ended soon.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:46:00 -
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Currently, escrow scams are allowed.
Escrow spams, however, aren't.
Join the IC! |
Orestes
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:46:00 -
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Currently, escrow scams are allowed.
Escrow spams, however, aren't.
Join the IC! |
Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Orestes
Currently, escrow scams are allowed.
Escrow spams, however, aren't.
Thank you for the clear answer. I will not spam anymore,maybe 5 scams per week, that will satisfy my criminal desires enough,no matter that nobody buys em.
So just for kicks....should we all go report the peeps with their 50 escrow spams of the same blueprint copy?  |
Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.07.15 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Orestes
Currently, escrow scams are allowed.
Escrow spams, however, aren't.
Thank you for the clear answer. I will not spam anymore,maybe 5 scams per week, that will satisfy my criminal desires enough,no matter that nobody buys em.
So just for kicks....should we all go report the peeps with their 50 escrow spams of the same blueprint copy? |
Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.07.15 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man
The simple answer is you have been told not too Tech2 Shoppe, which makes any answer given in this thread totally pointless.
Hmmmm....
Originally by: Omega Man
However a more interesting question is, "what should the punishment be for escrow scams?"
It would be nice there was a proper risk/reward calculation for escrow scams.
Currently for the scammer it is all reward.
Ok lets sum this 'all reward' up, I spend about 10 minutes to setup one (!) good escrow scam. Nobody ever bought them. My only reward is a little entertainment,some criminal excitement and the bad reputation for my character.Oh yeah, and some very nice eve mails from potential customers. |
Tech2 Shoppe
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Posted - 2004.07.15 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man
The simple answer is you have been told not too Tech2 Shoppe, which makes any answer given in this thread totally pointless.
Hmmmm....
Originally by: Omega Man
However a more interesting question is, "what should the punishment be for escrow scams?"
It would be nice there was a proper risk/reward calculation for escrow scams.
Currently for the scammer it is all reward.
Ok lets sum this 'all reward' up, I spend about 10 minutes to setup one (!) good escrow scam. Nobody ever bought them. My only reward is a little entertainment,some criminal excitement and the bad reputation for my character.Oh yeah, and some very nice eve mails from potential customers. |
Lustralis
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Posted - 2004.07.15 15:18:00 -
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Other scams which are perhaps more annoying (for a n00b) are people who go and buy up all the basic skills in a region and then put them back on the market at vastly inflated (comedy) prices. Either there is a bug in the market or the best price in the region for the after burner skill (yesterday) was 14,000,000.00. Feck!!!!
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2004.07.15 15:18:00 -
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Other scams which are perhaps more annoying (for a n00b) are people who go and buy up all the basic skills in a region and then put them back on the market at vastly inflated (comedy) prices. Either there is a bug in the market or the best price in the region for the after burner skill (yesterday) was 14,000,000.00. Feck!!!!
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Helplessandlost
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Posted - 2004.07.15 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tech2 Shoppe
Originally by: Orestes
Currently, escrow scams are allowed.
Escrow spams, however, aren't.
Thank you for the clear answer. I will not spam anymore,maybe 5 scams per week, that will satisfy my criminal desires enough,no matter that nobody buys em.
So just for kicks....should we all go report the peeps with their 50 escrow spams of the same blueprint copy?
If it is a legitimate copy of what is being listed then how is it a spam?
Check us out
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Helplessandlost
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Posted - 2004.07.15 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tech2 Shoppe
Originally by: Orestes
Currently, escrow scams are allowed.
Escrow spams, however, aren't.
Thank you for the clear answer. I will not spam anymore,maybe 5 scams per week, that will satisfy my criminal desires enough,no matter that nobody buys em.
So just for kicks....should we all go report the peeps with their 50 escrow spams of the same blueprint copy?
If it is a legitimate copy of what is being listed then how is it a spam?
Check us out
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Origim
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Posted - 2004.07.15 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tech2 Shoppe
Ok lets sum this 'all reward' up, I spend about 10 minutes to setup one (!) good escrow scam. Nobody ever bought them. My only reward is a little entertainment,some criminal excitement and the bad reputation for my character.Oh yeah, and some very nice eve mails from potential customers.
There you go... an answer to your own question: it's not a bannable offence, but it is a timewaste.
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Origim
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Posted - 2004.07.15 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tech2 Shoppe
Ok lets sum this 'all reward' up, I spend about 10 minutes to setup one (!) good escrow scam. Nobody ever bought them. My only reward is a little entertainment,some criminal excitement and the bad reputation for my character.Oh yeah, and some very nice eve mails from potential customers.
There you go... an answer to your own question: it's not a bannable offence, but it is a timewaste.
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