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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.12.10 07:29:00 -
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This gives a brand new meaning to Sheriff Joneses CCP Shop memes.
Oveur: Welcome to EVE-Shop!
Customer: Hia there. I just lost my Aoen to capital blob and I would like to buy a new one.
Oveur: Hold on .. there a brand new Aoen. What else you need?
Customer: Well put some T2 CCC's on it and some officer eamns. Don't wanna lose next time on gate camp!
Oveur: There and theere! Okay, anything else? How about our brand new patch of seleene's cap rechagers? Excellent choice for those prolonged triangle fights?
Customer: Hmm, they seems expensive. Got any good deals?
Oveur: Hmm seems like we have slighty overheaded versions here for 50% discount.
Customer: Excellent! Put me 4 of those and oh SS sensor booster! Can't have gate camp without those!
Oveur: Right'o! Anything else?
Customer: I think thats all I want right now.
Oveur: That will be 599 euros, do you use VISA or Mastercard?
Customer: VISA please.
Oveur: Thank you for shoppin' with us and come again!
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2008.12.10 07:35:00 -
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This comes alongside news today that upcoming MMO Star Wars: The Old Republic will not be subscription-based, but entirely based on micro-transactions instead.
Game is already ruined for me =(
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.12.10 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf
Game is already ruined for me =(
Welcome to new era of MMO's from Korean-policy: You pay what you want not what you play.
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.10 07:47:00 -
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Edited by: HankMurphy on 10/12/2008 07:47:43
you know what just completely killed my woody?
reading that and following the link that mentioned Starwars Old Republic is not going to be subcription based, but instead will be mid-session microtransaction
edit: last wolf beat me to it ^^
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.10 08:10:00 -
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Say what you want but it's a great anti-RMT-er method.
Besides, it will most likely be calibrated so you spend on average about as much cash as you'd spend paying the subscription.
I reserve the right to complain only after it gets sucky... meanwhile, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt 
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.10 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt
i used to do that. give people the benefit of the doubt. now i'm cynical.
as the saying goes, show me a cynic and i'll show you a disillusioned optimist. (something like that)
something just smells crash and burn about it. but on the up side, if i can try the game out free of a subscription then if i dont like it i'm out scot free.
maybe they can implement it so it isn't gay, but i wont be holding my breath.
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Seasons Greetings and have a Happy Alvis Time |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.10 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
something just smells crash and burn about it. but on the up side, if i can try the game out free of a subscription then if i dont like it i'm out scot free.
See, that's the spirit 
Worst case scenario, you're out a couple of hours of downloading and a couple of hours of gameplay.
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Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.12.10 08:28:00 -
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Oveur: Hello there and welcome to EVE-Shop!
Customer: Sup, I got this problem. I joined PvP corp and they demand I have Amarr battleship lvl5 ..
Oveur: Ah, excellent FOTM choice! .. there! Got anything else you want?
Customer: Yeah, well I always wanted to use hulk but I'm too shy to show it so I would like to use hulk on my carebear alt
Oveur: Hehe your no the only pirate player who has secret alt that mines veldpas in hisec! Okay, one Exhummers V coming up!
Customer: Thanks but let's keep this just between you and me.
Oveur: There all done. Anything else?
Customer: Nah that all I got right now. You take American Express?
Oveur: Sorry only VISA and MasterCard. Oh! And PayPal!
Customer: Excellent PayPal it is!
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.10 08:33:00 -
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Micro payments is a tried and tested formulae and it brings in more money than a monthly subscription.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.12.10 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: HankMurphy
something just smells crash and burn about it. but on the up side, if i can try the game out free of a subscription then if i dont like it i'm out scot free.
See, that's the spirit
Worst case scenario, you're out a couple of hours of downloading and a couple of hours of gameplay.
This is Sony you're talking about Akita. 
They'll make you pay Ç55-60 for the game, no subscription but loads of micro-transactions for everything. They will undoubtedly make sure there is little to no endgame PvE content aswell. And loads and loads of grinding ofcourse. (undisguised grinding that is, not disguised within a storyline)
Call me a cynic, but given what's been coming out of the gaming industry lately (ie. mostly crap) I feel that my ideas are justified.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.10 08:46:00 -
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Well, all you need is EVE anyway... ifit's not free trial, screw the others
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Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.12.10 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Well, all you need is EVE anyway... ifit's not free trial, screw the others
very true.
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.12.10 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf
This comes alongside news today that upcoming MMO Star Wars: The Old Republic will not be subscription-based, but entirely based on micro-transactions instead.
Please tell me you're joking!  I'm really excited about TOR, and this is potentially the sound of it's death knell before it is even launched 
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.10 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper
Micro payments is a tried and tested formulae and it brings in more money than a monthly subscription.
oh i'm sure it is.
meanwhile the player is stuck "i'd love to kill this guy but he spent $100 on his lightsaber"
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.10 10:09:00 -
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EVE has this too. Its called GTC Sales.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.12.10 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper
Micro payments is a tried and tested formulae and it brings in more money than a monthly subscription.
This is correct.
I can see why people dislike micro payments, as it means you can buy advantages, but remember that someone worked for that money. On the positive side, you get to decide how much "subscription" you pay for each month. And best of all, if you want to play an mmo on the side for a while you get the chance to. Which means a slight chance of you getting hooked, while with a subscription you would have never bothered and there was never a chance for you to be a source of income. Trials for mmo's never work quite as good since the time limit is often quite short. A trial where you can get to a certain level, such as chronicles of spellborn is supposedly offering is a good way around this, but still not as good as the micro payment system.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper
Micro payments is a tried and tested formulae and it brings in more money than a monthly subscription.
It's also tried and tested in making me avoid games that use it like the plague.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.12.10 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle
EVE has this too. Its called GTC Sales.
QFT.
Although this system is better in that it also allows people with time but no money to play 'for free', as well as letting people with money but no time to cheat. The company selling items directly allows the cheating, but does not benefit anyone but the cheater.
Furthermore, since the movement of ISK due to GTCs is exclusively in-game, on the whole nothing is added or removed by this method, and in the abstract sense the 'getting something for nothing (ingame)' is offset by somebody else working for nothing (ingame). Again, if items are sold direct from the company they magically come into existence, affecting the economy.
This doesn't mean that ISK buyers don't suck (they do, colossally), it simply means EVE has a better system for handling them.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.10 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 10/12/2008 11:22:20
EDIT: Kuolematon,
Both skits were funny but the second skit was the best.
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Reven Cordelle
EVE has this too. Its called GTC Sales.
QFT.
Although this system is better in that it also allows people with time but no money to play 'for free', as well as letting people with money but no time to cheat.
What about us who do not have time to play and refuse to cheat  I want a game that rewards me for not having enough time to play without having to pay for it. [/sarcasm]
Oh wait, I have already found it 
Originally by: Crumplecorn
This doesn't mean that ISK buyers don't suck (they do, colossally), it simply means EVE has a better system for handling them.
Quoted for posterity. I also agree with this statement. However my experiance with MMO's is limited. I only have two games to compare.
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn
NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.12.10 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
EDIT: Kuolematon,
Both skits were funny but the second skit was the best.
Thanks! I learned from the best, Sheriff Jones 
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.12.10 11:41:00 -
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What do you guys above mean by cheating?
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.10 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 10/12/2008 12:25:01
Originally by: KingsGambit
What do you guys above mean by cheating?
Yeah I never really like the term to be used here. I actually prefer making the difference on a level of purity.
For example. If you play Monopoly you get a set amount of game currency to start. Well lets say someone decides to start playing with 2 extra bills for each denomination for all players. It is still the game, but one has gone beyond normal game play, and made it easier for all involved.
Lets then say you jump into a game of Monopoly where four players have played with the two extra bills per denomination and you decide to be a purist and play with out the extra two bills. You then have a disadvantage, thus the purity of the game has been could be comprimised for you.
One could just as easily call you stupid for not taking advantage of the mechanic.
You could just call them cheaters.
So, yes I pretty much see using out of game means to aquire an advantage is compromising the purity of the game. I do not look down on others and understand why they do it, but I am not willing to compromise on that level for my own game enjoyment. Call it self a imposed initiation to the game.
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn
NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.12.10 12:27:00 -
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As much as I like to hate on SOE, I do play Everquest 2 and logged in last night to check this cash shop thing out. This isn't RMT, you can't buy currency or items you'd normally buy with currency. You can buy appearance armour (goes over your normal armour for when you want to look cool without switching to ****ty gear), house pets, little non-combat pets that follow you around and XP gain potions (+10% to +50% xp gained over gour hours). The thing people seem most ****ed off about are the potions, but you already get a bunch of 1-hour versions of them for free as veteran rewards if your account is old enough. So to be honest, it's not that big of a deal.
What IS a big deal is that this is an indicator of a trend. When SOE were developing Everquest 2, they used Everquest 1 as a live test-bed for ideas, items and concepts to help with EQ2's development. Things that they had always maintained would never be put in EQ were implemented in expansion after crappy expansion. The game saw somthing of a mass exodus of players while this was going on and it doesn't seem EQ2 was any better off at launch from the testing. Now it seems they're testing the microtransaction model for their upcoming game Free Realms on EQ and EQ2. It shows they consider the game to be on its last legs and don't care if they ruin it as long as they can possibly help make Free Realms a big success. It's just another example of how MMO companies are all chasing WoW's numbers and consider their games with smaller scale subscriber bases as failures. It's like they don't care what they do to their current subscriber base because they're sure they'll make a killing on Free Realms. It's the exact opposite of what CCP does with promoting its current subscriberbase and growing it organically.
On a separate note, EA just confirmed that SWTOR is not going to be microtransaction supported but based on EA's track record, I don't know whether to trust that statement. Seems their CEO hasn't a clue what's going on in his own company.
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RedClaws
Amarr
Dragon's Rage
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 12:30:00 -
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I don't mind the occasional GTC sale from another player so get some quick isk but some people just go overboard and buy like 20 GTC's a month... Not kidding here, I know more than one!
That , to me, is cheating and completely ruins the game for all involved. But then again so do other mistakes by CCP like moon mining balance...
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KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2008.12.10 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: KISOGOKU on 10/12/2008 12:36:59
i was thinking Bioware making Star Wars: The Old Republic not SOE 
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.12.10 12:48:00 -
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Psh. It's like buying aces for poker. The one with the Ultra-Rare-Joker-Collection-Set-Beta-Reward will win every game, though, no matter how many aces you buy...
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Davina Braben
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Posted - 2008.12.10 12:49:00 -
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SOE have been flirting with this for a while.
It's still a little disappointing though.
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Mankirks Wife
Caldari
Space Furry Association
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Posted - 2008.12.10 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 10/12/2008 13:18:38
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Originally by: tarin adur
Also, cuz Sporks are like minmatar,do lots of things ok...but nothing spectacularly.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.12.10 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: KISOGOKU
i was thinking Bioware making Star Wars: The Old Republic not SOE
Nobody said SOE were making it. EA are publishing it, though, and that's almost as bad. EA have a horrible track record with MMOs.
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2008.12.10 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: KISOGOKU
i was thinking Bioware making Star Wars: The Old Republic not SOE
Nobody said SOE were making it. EA are publishing it, though, and that's almost as bad. EA have a horrible track record with games.
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