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Teiral
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Posted - 2004.07.15 23:17:00 -
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Hi everyone,
I have a order in tash murkon to sell 40 million trit at 1.78 and I can't get it to actually appear on the market. Is this the old market bug come back to haunt us?
I have done all the standard stuff, logged another account to make sure that it couldn't see the order either and then went to another station to check to see if the order was viewable from there and it wasn't. Anyone know of a work-around for this?
I remember the old market bugs from about 9 mos ago in the forge were often very bad but the other regions seemed to be working fine. I wonder if mabey this is a tash murkon regional thing like the old market bugs were. Any pointers?
P.S. posted here becuase filing a petition in the "other" category can take a VERY long time to answer, suspected the community could answer this in about 2 mins on the forums :)
thanks in advance.
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Teiral
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Posted - 2004.07.15 23:17:00 -
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Hi everyone,
I have a order in tash murkon to sell 40 million trit at 1.78 and I can't get it to actually appear on the market. Is this the old market bug come back to haunt us?
I have done all the standard stuff, logged another account to make sure that it couldn't see the order either and then went to another station to check to see if the order was viewable from there and it wasn't. Anyone know of a work-around for this?
I remember the old market bugs from about 9 mos ago in the forge were often very bad but the other regions seemed to be working fine. I wonder if mabey this is a tash murkon regional thing like the old market bugs were. Any pointers?
P.S. posted here becuase filing a petition in the "other" category can take a VERY long time to answer, suspected the community could answer this in about 2 mins on the forums :)
thanks in advance.
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Teiral
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Posted - 2004.07.16 02:02:00 -
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Found the bug and the work around. The order for 40 million trit was hidden behind a order to sell 10k trit for 1.70 isk each. Nomatter what price my order was put in with or which account was used it would stay hidden behind this sell order. Buying the smaller order out made my order for 40 million appear instantly.
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Teiral
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Posted - 2004.07.16 02:02:00 -
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Found the bug and the work around. The order for 40 million trit was hidden behind a order to sell 10k trit for 1.70 isk each. Nomatter what price my order was put in with or which account was used it would stay hidden behind this sell order. Buying the smaller order out made my order for 40 million appear instantly.
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Armin Chamberlain
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Posted - 2004.07.16 02:08:00 -
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Hows that a bug? What we need is a level 2 market depth feature. |
Armin Chamberlain
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Posted - 2004.07.16 02:08:00 -
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Hows that a bug? What we need is a level 2 market depth feature. |
Haratu
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Posted - 2004.07.16 02:11:00 -
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no, it aint a bug...
a sell order often takes a while to appear on the sell list and you need not worry if you can not see it. Patience is the key.
I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century. |
Haratu
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Posted - 2004.07.16 02:11:00 -
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no, it aint a bug...
a sell order often takes a while to appear on the sell list and you need not worry if you can not see it. Patience is the key.
I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century. |
Teiral
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Posted - 2004.07.16 02:19:00 -
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Armin, the reason its a bug is becuase different priced orders should not hide each other. The order for 10k at 1.70 should in no way cover up the orders I placed for 1.79 and 1.78 on different characters in a effort to make the order show.
Hara, this order was left in place through downtime for about 10 hours. also after replacing the order 4 times over the course of about 3 hours and checking it from several stations and accounts it appeared *instantly* when I bought up the small order of trit for 1.70.
I think that is a bug. Lets say your looking through the market for trit, you need to build say 10 lvl 1 BS. You need a massive amount of trit, should a order for 10k trit at 1.70 obscure a order for 40 million trit at 1.79? I don't think it is supposed to work that way.
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Teiral
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Posted - 2004.07.16 02:19:00 -
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Armin, the reason its a bug is becuase different priced orders should not hide each other. The order for 10k at 1.70 should in no way cover up the orders I placed for 1.79 and 1.78 on different characters in a effort to make the order show.
Hara, this order was left in place through downtime for about 10 hours. also after replacing the order 4 times over the course of about 3 hours and checking it from several stations and accounts it appeared *instantly* when I bought up the small order of trit for 1.70.
I think that is a bug. Lets say your looking through the market for trit, you need to build say 10 lvl 1 BS. You need a massive amount of trit, should a order for 10k trit at 1.70 obscure a order for 40 million trit at 1.79? I don't think it is supposed to work that way.
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Armin Chamberlain
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Posted - 2004.07.16 02:25:00 -
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Only the best ask shows, it is like that in every real world market system, unless you have level 2 access. |
Armin Chamberlain
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Posted - 2004.07.16 02:25:00 -
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Only the best ask shows, it is like that in every real world market system, unless you have level 2 access. |
Burton Thunderfist
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Posted - 2004.07.16 03:07:00 -
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Edited by: Burton Thunderfist on 16/07/2004 03:23:05
Edited by: Burton Thunderfist on 16/07/2004 03:21:34
Edited by: Burton Thunderfist on 16/07/2004 03:09:08
On advanced market info, theres a little button called "show table" (or something like that) and there you can see all the demand/supply in the of the item (in this case tritanium) solarsystem/constellation/region/station/whatever.
Quite handy if you are going to buy lots of something while the market is cluttered up by several 2-3 unit orders for cheap prices across the region.
Edit: This was supposed to be a quote on the "I think that is a bug. Lets say your looking through the market for trit, you need to build say 10 lvl 1 BS. You need a massive amount of trit, should a order for 10k trit at 1.70 obscure a order for 40 million trit at 1.79? I don't think it is supposed to work that way" stuff but Im tired and dont know or dont want to waste my time on how to find out how to quote stuff manually.
Edit 2: Typos and other such things
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Burton Thunderfist
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Posted - 2004.07.16 03:07:00 -
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Edited by: Burton Thunderfist on 16/07/2004 03:23:05
Edited by: Burton Thunderfist on 16/07/2004 03:21:34
Edited by: Burton Thunderfist on 16/07/2004 03:09:08
On advanced market info, theres a little button called "show table" (or something like that) and there you can see all the demand/supply in the of the item (in this case tritanium) solarsystem/constellation/region/station/whatever.
Quite handy if you are going to buy lots of something while the market is cluttered up by several 2-3 unit orders for cheap prices across the region.
Edit: This was supposed to be a quote on the "I think that is a bug. Lets say your looking through the market for trit, you need to build say 10 lvl 1 BS. You need a massive amount of trit, should a order for 10k trit at 1.70 obscure a order for 40 million trit at 1.79? I don't think it is supposed to work that way" stuff but Im tired and dont know or dont want to waste my time on how to find out how to quote stuff manually.
Edit 2: Typos and other such things
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Teiral
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Posted - 2004.07.16 04:21:00 -
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Burton, thanks for the advice. Actually I was using the table setting for this, so perhaps the idea that its a bug is correct after all.
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Teiral
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Posted - 2004.07.16 04:21:00 -
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Burton, thanks for the advice. Actually I was using the table setting for this, so perhaps the idea that its a bug is correct after all.
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Tree Fiddy
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Posted - 2004.07.16 06:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Teiral
Burton, thanks for the advice. Actually I was using the table setting for this, so perhaps the idea that its a bug is correct after all.
How is it a bug? The cheapest sell order is the 1 that is always shown, dont get pi55y cos you overpricing. STFU.
I say I ain't giving you no tree fiddy you goddamned Loch Ness monster. |
Tree Fiddy
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Posted - 2004.07.16 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Teiral
Burton, thanks for the advice. Actually I was using the table setting for this, so perhaps the idea that its a bug is correct after all.
How is it a bug? The cheapest sell order is the 1 that is always shown, dont get pi55y cos you overpricing. STFU.
I say I ain't giving you no tree fiddy you goddamned Loch Ness monster. |
Pesadilla
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Posted - 2004.07.16 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Teiral
Burton, thanks for the advice. Actually I was using the table setting for this, so perhaps the idea that its a bug is correct after all.
1 station 1 price is shown and thats the cheapest offer
the only bug i can see is ur lack of understanding
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Pesadilla
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Posted - 2004.07.16 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Teiral
Burton, thanks for the advice. Actually I was using the table setting for this, so perhaps the idea that its a bug is correct after all.
1 station 1 price is shown and thats the cheapest offer
the only bug i can see is ur lack of understanding
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.07.16 08:56:00 -
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I can totally understand where hes coming from though.
Yes, the lowest ask shows, but that will hide the total capcity of the station to supply.
So, if someone is browsing the market for the region they will see a small quantity of cheap material at a station. Despite the cheapness, the small quantity will put them off.
Imagine the following situation: A griefer goes to every station in a region and places a 1 unit sell order for a cheap price. Now no one will be able to search the regions market for a good deal on a large quantity.
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.07.16 08:56:00 -
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I can totally understand where hes coming from though.
Yes, the lowest ask shows, but that will hide the total capcity of the station to supply.
So, if someone is browsing the market for the region they will see a small quantity of cheap material at a station. Despite the cheapness, the small quantity will put them off.
Imagine the following situation: A griefer goes to every station in a region and places a 1 unit sell order for a cheap price. Now no one will be able to search the regions market for a good deal on a large quantity.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2004.07.16 09:14:00 -
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Yes, I've experienced this a lot when buying of the market because I always use the table.
It's noticable because I've bought up the stock of an item from one station, only for the table to refresh and now show the next highest price sell order at the station.
So yes, it covers up the buy/sell orders in the table by only showing the highest/lowest respectively.
While this might be a bug, or possibly just the way the system works to minimise lag, it's not a good way to run the market, since players will often look for quantity regardless of price, and currently, they can't see everything that's available. 
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2004.07.16 09:14:00 -
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Yes, I've experienced this a lot when buying of the market because I always use the table.
It's noticable because I've bought up the stock of an item from one station, only for the table to refresh and now show the next highest price sell order at the station.
So yes, it covers up the buy/sell orders in the table by only showing the highest/lowest respectively.
While this might be a bug, or possibly just the way the system works to minimise lag, it's not a good way to run the market, since players will often look for quantity regardless of price, and currently, they can't see everything that's available.
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