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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:07:00 -
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Seriously, what does the guy do?
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:08:00 -
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we have a real life market, he erm.. watches it, reports on it and gets paid.
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Kuar Z'thain
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:09:00 -
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He prints out shiny numbers that pretty much add up to "Tritanium needs to be pegged at 3.6 isk instead of 3."
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:11:00 -
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But events have shown that they have no idea whats actually going on with resouces.
Is the economist just making stuff up?
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 11/12/2008 23:15:33
Think of the chief economist as the nerdy analyst guy for the devs who balance the market variable as his recomendations will shape how CCP nerfs/boosts Eves economy.
 Originally by: Ghoest
But events have shown that they have no idea whats actually going on with resouces.
Is the economist just making stuff up?
Hes an economist and deals with known data not a bughunter who examines every bit of data to see if its valid or not. I'm sure that this huge change in the supply of ferrogel will have him redoing many of his charts and tables. 
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Afale II
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
But events have shown that they have no idea whats actually going on with resouces.
Is the economist just making stuff up?
he got his wizzard hat and staff and make *zing* and it makes *poof* and thats it.
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Cincannatus
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:15:00 -
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it says more about u, then it does about ccp. why wouldnt they? it makes sense dont it?
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5n4keyes
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:16:00 -
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Well.. hes an economist, not an accountant... thank god!
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Crackuji
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:21:00 -
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The economist was the basis of a massive Eve publicity stunt. You really think he sits in a room all day, furiously studying graphs of srs business eve spaceships? Please. Just look at the quarterly eve reports, when he eventually gets round to them it's like 6 months too late.
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Cyrus Brown
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:30:00 -
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He is the nephew of someone important.
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Kuranta
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:34:00 -
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Analyzing a virtual world economy? Something no one ever has been able to get his hands on?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:38:00 -
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Well in what is basically an economic game wouldnt you think somone was studying the charts of resources and isk?
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Molly Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
But events have shown that they have no idea whats actually going on with resouces.
Is the economist just making stuff up?
OSHI... You just let everyone know, now what will poor Dr. E. do?
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Discrodia
Gallente
Independent Miners Guild
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:51:00 -
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Because it does.
It's that important.
I like whales... I'm donating 300 mil towards an Orca BPO.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:21:00 -
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what does he really do? Ehhh who cares? He gives us cool stats on how much of what is being blown up and how much the bill was. Don't complain about the Doc, just enjoy that tasty stats he serves up!
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jbob2000
Gallente
Degenerate...
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:24:00 -
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The problem is that the economics he is educated in don't exactly work like the economics in eve, so most of the reports seem to be "Trit rose, zyd fell".
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:31:00 -
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He provides relatively cheap publicity for EVE outside of normal channels.
He builds tools that help CCP analyze and balance the economy.
He helps CCP analyze the data from aforementioned tools.
He provides in-depth information which, when delivered in a timely manner, helps the players involved in production and the market.
He provides fun facts for the rest.
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Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Ecnav
Gallente
Vapor Corp.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 01:18:00 -
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I believe the reason that the Economist was unable to find any information of this exploit's existence was because he signed onto the CCP team after the exploit was even found.
Essentially, he found that the results from the exploit were actually normal because it is what he has been seeing since he became part of the Eve Community. |
5n4keyes
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:24:00 -
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Im sorry, but it cant be that hard to work out some stuff...
Say theres 100 Dyspro moons in eve, yep know theres alot more, but say there was, thats 10,000 Dyspro being made per hour.
Now if in that same hour, 100,000 End product is being made, wouldnt that raise a few eyebrows?
Surely comparing China with our server would of made a few people think, hmmm thats odd...
Sure I could understand it not being noticed for say a few weeks or even a month, but 4 years?? the whole basis of invetion, the workings on alchemy, hell the entire T2 market as a whole based on what data? apparantly CCP track and monitor this kinda stuff for future changes!
Im sorry, but ive played alot less complex games than this, infact crazy little java games, where they have noticed within hours someone is making what they shouldnt, or duping items! it seams utterly insane that CCP wouldnt notice this!
This whole thing needs some serious investigation, and some heads need to roll, and in fairness, a serious re-evaluation of the role the economist plays, either get rid of him, or make a bigger department! because thats what we need!
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El Huapo
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:32:00 -
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He is employed to blow smoke up our ass and employ same smoke with liberal uses of mirrors to hide the fact that he does nothing. Quoted from EyjoG's dev blog, "News on the next QEN and a new Econ Devblog
Unfortunately we were not able to finalize the 2nd quarter, 2008 Quarterly Economic Journal before Thanksgiving despite our best efforts in mining through hundreeds of gigabytes of mission data. So instead of giving you a QEN with thin discussion on missions and their statistics we decided to work a little further on getting a better dataset and delay the publishing by another week."
Lame.
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SirMoric
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:32:00 -
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He, a couple of years ago, applied the succesfull factors, from the economy of EVE, into the Icelandic economy... and failed.
rgds
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: 5n4keyes
Im sorry, but it cant be that hard to work out some stuff...
Say theres 100 Dyspro moons in eve, yep know theres alot more, but say there was, thats 10,000 Dyspro being made per hour.
Now if in that same hour, 100,000 End product is being made, wouldnt that raise a few eyebrows?
Surely comparing China with our server would of made a few people think, hmmm thats odd...
Sure I could understand it not being noticed for say a few weeks or even a month, but 4 years?? the whole basis of invetion, the workings on alchemy, hell the entire T2 market as a whole based on what data? apparantly CCP track and monitor this kinda stuff for future changes!
Im sorry, but ive played alot less complex games than this, infact crazy little java games, where they have noticed within hours someone is making what they shouldnt, or duping items! it seams utterly insane that CCP wouldnt notice this!
This whole thing needs some serious investigation, and some heads need to roll, and in fairness, a serious re-evaluation of the role the economist plays, either get rid of him, or make a bigger department! because thats what we need!
CCP would have to track manufacturing, it is probably in the logs but there is a difference between recording the raw information and parsing it into something meaningful.
I think the economist largely focuses on market impact so would probably be oblivious to what is manufactured. He wouldn't know how much of what is being traded has been stockpiled over a long period of time, you could see 10x maximum production being traded when you factor stockpiling.
The numbers may also fall into a normal range. Say you have 10,000 moons but say 25% of the resources do not go to market and are used internally, someone could exploit and the extent of their exploration fit inside the band where it doesn't stick out. If you were to flood the market to the point that the price would crash then it would probably raise alarm bells.
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Saberon
Gallente
C3 Tech
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: 5n4keyes
Im sorry, but it cant be that hard to work out some stuff...
Say theres 100 Dyspro moons in eve, yep know theres alot more, but say there was, thats 10,000 Dyspro being made per hour.
Now if in that same hour, 100,000 End product is being made, wouldnt that raise a few eyebrows?
Surely comparing China with our server would of made a few people think, hmmm thats odd...
Sure I could understand it not being noticed for say a few weeks or even a month, but 4 years?? the whole basis of invetion, the workings on alchemy, hell the entire T2 market as a whole based on what data? apparantly CCP track and monitor this kinda stuff for future changes!
Im sorry, but ive played alot less complex games than this, infact crazy little java games, where they have noticed within hours someone is making what they shouldnt, or duping items! it seams utterly insane that CCP wouldnt notice this!
This whole thing needs some serious investigation, and some heads need to roll, and in fairness, a serious re-evaluation of the role the economist plays, either get rid of him, or make a bigger department! because thats what we need!
- and just how many raw material itens are there in EVE, and combinations of use, for manufacturing, reactions, lost in ganks, stockpiled, transferred through trade, contracts, market?
It is not realistic to expect anyone to catch everything that happens in such a complex world with such complex possibilities.
Besides, I don't think he's actually monitoring cheating and exploitation, but rather analyzing the market, delivering a report (one version for us, another for the Dev Team / Game Designers) to help balancing or reconsider certain aspects that might be in focus at that point in time.
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daqor
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: SirMoric
He, a couple of years ago, applied the succesfull factors, from the economy of EVE, into the Icelandic economy... and failed.
rgds
What, as in murder being fine if people steal from you, no police outside any city etc?
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Netacq
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Seriously, what does the guy do?
He is working for a big Icelandic Bank 
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10*10^9Ç (10,0000,000,000.00) "credit" for 300k Icelandic peoples - sry, they lost the island...
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Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari
Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:38:00 -
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As already stated in another post:
Don't tell me he is working as a full time job for eve, CCP. At least admit that he works for you for about a day in a month. As that's about the time needed with all the server data and logs to create these quarterly economic newsletters.
As he doesn't seem to overlook the economy flows at all...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki
As he doesn't seem to overlook the economy flows at all...
ITT : people confusing data analysis with corrective action.
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Bai ZongTong
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: 5n4keyes
Well.. hes an economist, not an accountant... thank god!
**** i got an accouting exam in less than 7hrs and i dont have the textbook...
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:47:00 -
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I think it basically goes like this:
Economist thinks about EVE markets and resource prices, decides on what kind of data he wants, and then asks for it from the database guys to datamine for him.
I think it just never occurred to him to ask for "give me total possible moon material numbers and correlate them to how much has been coming into the market", because the exploited moon material influx has probably been pretty static without many fluctuations for the past 4 years, a timeframe that would be useless to datamine in unless you were looking for exactly this kind of thing.
The big change in reaction material prices probably came with invention, when the price skyrocketed due to normal demand.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.12 09:00:00 -
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That's "CHEF Economist", not Chief. Pfft.
The guy cooks up a mean stew from excel sheets and alphabet pasta 
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