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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Elrca
lol, I thought I would recheck my thread and I see sherrif and skunk arguing whether its free, and now the all mighty Winterblink.
I'm just honored Winterblink posted 
But as I see it, the eve sub, pays for "everything", now.....my origonal thought was that the "boxed" version would "cost" more after all atari have to get something from it to actually do it.
What really needs clarification is, what is in the box set, do we need to buy it to get the patch (silly idea I know) or for those with accounts does it include 60days game time?
as far as i've seen there has been no notification of what existing players will get if they buy the box-set (but i love your idea of 60 days free time), but existing players will NOT need to buy the box to get the expansions.
i'll be buying at least one box-set (for posterity and to stick with the two other box sets i have) but if they include enough game-time coverage to justify the cost of the box (ie, 60 days free for a box that costs $30), i'll likely buy one for all my accounts.
yes, i know, too much disposable income and not enough sense...
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Khandara Seraphim
Edited by: Khandara Seraphim on 12/12/2008 19:02:33
I feel like Skunk is a really bitter angry person IRL.
Every time I read a thread of his I just want someone to go give him a hug or something.
edit- also, diet coke analogy wins thread.
i have a 17 year old daughter and, unfortunately, Skunk reminds me of a couple of her pathetic, emo-friends who just like to be negative for the sake of it (or because they think it makes them "cool" or "deep") and who would complain if they won the lottery because they had to pay tax, and Sheriff reminds me of kids I knew when I was that age who just wanted people to pay attention to them and would do anything to get that attention, no matter if that means they have to be a clown, pretend to understand things they don't, or just stand on chairs and shout, "look at me! guys? look at me! GUYS?? PLEASE, LOOK AT ME, I'M OVER HERE? GUYS? PLEASE? I'M OVER HERE!"
no disrespect intended, of course ;)
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Tippia
Caldari
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:09:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Myra2007
If you say you don't pay extra for them you acknowledge the fact that you already pay for them with your monthly/whatever subs. So how can you conclude they are free?
Because I already pay the sub. I pay nothing in addition to my sub in order to get the expansions. Nothing extra = included for free (or, more accurately as described above, at no definable cost).
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:47:00 -
[94]
Edited by: MotherMoon on 12/12/2008 20:49:09
I'm sorry but wow cost 15$ a month. EVE cost 15$ a month.
Why in gods name is this thread still going.
why do people say eve has a higher cost when it's at industry standard?
In fact no other mmorpg has as low a cost as eve. you can buy a year at a time for liek 11$ a month. SO where does this magic "eve costs more than other mmorpgs" come form?
If eve didn't have free expansions then eve would cost 15$ a month, just like wow, period.
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no definable cost.
There we go. That would also be why each expansion has a different vavlue to different players. Some expansions might not even effect you but it doesn't matter because you can go on playing the game as if nothing has changed. Thus the expansion didn't cost anyone any more money than if no expansion had some out.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:57:00 -
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OMG I FIGURED IT OUT!!
Eve expansion ARE FREE! why???? because if you join today you don't have to pay for any of the expansions that came out beforehand. If the expansions were included in your monthly fee, then you would have to pay more per month when you joined to pay for the expansions that came out in the past.
But eve expansions are free, so when you 1st buy the game all you have to do is pay for the right to log on.
And yes I know our subs go into paying for each new expansions content. An expansion can't be free to make. However it is released to us free, and to all future players at no extra cost.
So is an expansion free? no it cost CCP money to make it and our subs go into the money needed for that.
Do the expansions cost us money to see? NO, all expansions are given to all players for free even if they were not paying for the game.
They aren't free, but they cost no extra money. thus, At least in the way I think about it, they are free. Becuase once again if they weren't free, new players are ripping off the company as they didn't give them a dime for the expansions over the past 5 years.
Think Everquest, if you were to go play that right now, you HAVE to buy all of the pasp expansions if you want any of that content.
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.12 22:01:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Huurtney Gurdsen
Edited by: Huurtney Gurdsen on 12/12/2008 09:23:11
Does this mean ambulation is an optional extra that we have to buy ?
Or, to put it another way: Does this mean ambulation is an optional extra that we can choose not to pay for? Silver lining in sight...
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Becq Starforged
Ushra'Khan
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.12 22:05:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Becq Starforged
Originally by: Huurtney Gurdsen
Edited by: Huurtney Gurdsen on 12/12/2008 09:23:11
Does this mean ambulation is an optional extra that we have to buy ?
Or, to put it another way: Does this mean ambulation is an optional extra that we can choose not to pay for? Silver lining in sight...
well, it's an optional extra that you don't ever have to utilize, but as you were never paying extra for it, that's kind of a moot point.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.12.12 22:14:00 -
[98]
TINFOIL HAT TIME...
Where is the dev saying yes or no ?
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Tokclik
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.12.12 22:19:00 -
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If $15 a month is enough to make you cry about it on the forums.....quit....go get a job and/or an education. You really REALLY do not need to be wasting your time here.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.13 10:01:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 13/12/2008 10:04:05
Originally by: Le Skunk
Funny that - quotation marks are normally used when you are quoting someone.
You took the mantle of Forum Sucker on yourself - when I used it simply as a generalization and was not referring to you in any way.
Quess you need to go learn about quotation marks then. They are a well known irony edium.
No way around it, you're the troll here, calling people names and stirring up ****.
But nicely done, moving the discussion away from you being wrong and into ssemantics and how "you started it!" 
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Ad Hominem
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Posted - 2008.12.13 10:29:00 -
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Worst thread ever ITT. All posters lack basic understanding or desire to grasp logical and commercial concepts, choose to talk past each other in a horrible circle jerk of illogic.
OP eats babies.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.12.13 10:31:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Becq Starforged
Or, to put it another way: Does this mean ambulation is an optional extra that we can choose not to pay for? Silver lining in sight...
I never use gallente or caldari ships. Can I chose to pay only half of the monthly fee now? 
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.12.13 12:00:00 -
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I pay a subscription to play eve. Every once in awhile they tack new crap on or nerf the hell out of things. I don't have to go buy another box or get on Amazon waiting lists or any of that other crap, they just update the stuff. Sometimes I wish I could skip some of their "expansions", but as far as paying and having to acquire the expansion, I'll take the Eve method over what other companies do.
Call it free. Call it built in price. Call it tuna on rye. You would probably have to kill me to make me care less about that particular point.
Bottom line - I'm ok with what CCP does or I wouldn't be playing Eve.
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Doonoo Boonoo
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Posted - 2008.12.13 12:20:00 -
[104]
Expansions are 100 % free. Nobody has ever paid extra for an expansion.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.13 12:36:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Expansions are 100 % free. Nobody has ever paid extra for an expansion.
the argument has been does not paying extra mean they are really free?
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Vikarion
Caldari
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.12.13 12:45:00 -
[106]
This thread is...
It's like nihilism incarnated into an Eve Online Forum thread.
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Druadan
Aristotle Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.13 13:06:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Druadan on 13/12/2008 13:07:43
The concepts of paying explicitly for an expansion and new subscribers getting all prior content upgrades for free are not clearly compatible, but it does all work out.
The cost of the expansions is built into the subscription price. Why? Because it takes man-hours to create the expansions, and that is a cost that CCP cannot write off. It all comes out of the subscription fee.
The fact that new subscribers do not have to pay for prior expansions does not affect whether or not the expansions were 'free'. The new subscriber hasn't paid for them, but it would be unwarranted to charge them. The expansions are built to better the game, providing additional content (value) to existing subscribers and to lure more subscribers in. Future subscribers means additional income, so the expansions are worthwhile and to an extent paid of retroactively by future subscribers, as CCP makes an increased profit.
When a food producer spends money on researching a better recipe for its products, that research is paid for by the customers who previously bought the product, but it is the future customers who will be eating the improved product. They didn't have to pay for it, nor did the existing customers have to send an additional stipend to the producer in order to finance the research. It came out of the food producer's profits.
The thing that appears to be causing confusion is explicit payment and implicit payment. If we had to pay ú40 for each expansion, that would be explicit payment. We don't, but it does come out of our subscription cost, so it is implicit. We don't get to see how much of our subscription fee is spent on the expansion because it's all just liquid cash which CCP can cut up however they want. For all we know, it costs ú5/month/subscriber to maintain and upgrade the servers, and ú5/month/subscriber to pay for the process of delivering new content in expansions.
If we had to pay for each expansion, and it was delivered in digital form, we should see lower subscription prices as there is no distribution cost to cover like there is for distributing millions of boxes of Wrath of the Lich King and paying for in-store promotion and midnight launches and whathaveyou. If we didn't see lower subscription prices as a result, then CCP would simply be charging over the odds, regardless of whether or not the subscription fee itself was pegged at 'industry standard'.
tl;dr - ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.13 13:37:00 -
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but if we had to buy expansions, players who didn't buy them would be cut off from that content, and thus newer players would have to fork over 100$ jsut to play eve as it should be instead of eve as it was 9 expansions ago.
ala what wow will and in way has become. Want to play wow? awesome! what you want top play the rest of the game? didn't hear about the expansions? you need to pay for those, they aren't free boy, pay up!
SO yes the expansions aren't free, but they don't cost extra. It's a good thing CCP do it this way because no one would play eve even if it had a 10$ a month fee if you had to fork up 20$ for the past 9 expansions each... ugh no one would play this game anymore, it would just die, and wither away.
Also in games like wow and stuff your sub there pays for expansions too, in fact all money you give to a compnay is cash they can use on anything. Advertising,expansions,servers. None of it is free, but it's free to the player as far as he knows.
If anyone out there can't get thier heads around this idea (not the above posters he's right on)
For instance we pay CCP for it's adversitments on other sites in the same way we pay for the expansions. It's the same cash pool they are pulling it out of.
But please god don't lower subs just to make newer players never want to play ever.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.12.13 14:23:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 13/12/2008 10:04:05
Originally by: Le Skunk
Funny that - quotation marks are normally used when you are quoting someone.
You took the mantle of Forum Sucker on yourself - when I used it simply as a generalization and was not referring to you in any way.
Quess you need to go learn about quotation marks then. They are a well known irony edium.
No way around it, you're the troll here, calling people names and stirring up ****.
But nicely done, moving the discussion away from you being wrong and into ssemantics and how "you started it!"
For the love of god: BOTH of you go and get laid, right NOW.
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Erdiere
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.13 14:54:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Gone'Postal
TINFOIL HAT TIME...
Where is the dev saying yes or no ?
This tbh, usually someone answers in these kind of threads and this one is already at 4 pages.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.13 14:58:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Elrca
Quote:
Atari will also handle the retail distribution of the next expansion of EVE Online for its global release March 10.
From here
Sounds to me we have to buy this version?
EVE naver makes you buy expansions. The boxed thing is to reach a new market of players and boost the player numbers. But boxes ain't free, so you may need to buy the box. When the expansion comes you can just dl everything tho.
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Druadan
Aristotle Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.13 17:03:00 -
[112]
Originally by: MotherMoon
but if we had to buy expansions, players who didn't buy them would be cut off from that content, and thus newer players would have to fork over 100$ jsut to play eve as it should be instead of eve as it was 9 expansions ago.
ala what wow will and in way has become. Want to play wow? awesome! what you want top play the rest of the game? didn't hear about the expansions? you need to pay for those, they aren't free boy, pay up!
SO yes the expansions aren't free, but they don't cost extra. It's a good thing CCP do it this way because no one would play eve even if it had a 10$ a month fee if you had to fork up 20$ for the past 9 expansions each... ugh no one would play this game anymore, it would just die, and wither away.
Spot on. In addition to being able to keep everyone in the game to the same extent (as opposed to making it so that expansions are optional) and not require retropurchases for new players, incorporating the expansion fee into the subscription charge gives the developers the freedom to make each expansion whatever they want and as big as they want, instead of simply perpetuating a charge for more shiny toys. ultimately, the latter means that any and all expansions must wait until enough new content has accumulated to be released in a ú40-worthy expansion.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.13 18:50:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Malcanis
For the love of god: BOTH of you go and get laid, right NOW.
I know you didn't say me but... umm... woohoo 12 more days! :P
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.13 18:51:00 -
[114]
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Malcanis
For the love of god: BOTH of you go and get laid, right NOW.
I know you didn't say me but... umm... woohoo 12 more days! :P
Is that an indication that you only...... ahem....... once a year? 
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.13 19:09:00 -
[115]
Edited by: MotherMoon on 13/12/2008 19:11:44
Originally by: CrayC
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Malcanis
For the love of god: BOTH of you go and get laid, right NOW.
I know you didn't say me but... umm... woohoo 12 more days! :P
Is that an indication that you only...... ahem....... once a year?
hAHAHAHAHA
I want to picture a couple that only does it once a year on the same day, oh man that would be sad 
but,yeah just about once or twice a year :P but there is a lot! woohoo!
long term relationships for the lose/win :P
edit:hey once a year, I should consider myself lucky compared to some people here 
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Mawusi
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Posted - 2008.12.14 02:50:00 -
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This thread is completely pointless.
The fact is that you all pay to play the game (whether by cash or GTC) and everyone receives the expansions.
I couldnt care less if the cost of it is included in the monthly sub or not.
Is coming up with a definitive answer going to influence whether you play the game or not ?? Probably not, so why does anyone really care ???
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2008.12.14 03:03:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Mawusi
This thread is completely pointless...I couldnt care less..why does anyone really care ???
Why not bump the thread then
SKUNK
Originally by: CCP Navigator
People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
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Apaco lypse
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Posted - 2008.12.14 03:05:00 -
[118]
no you do not have to pay for the expansion, but you would have to pay IF you want to walk on staions. got it? expansion=free, walking on stations=$$$. same expansion just an optional upgrade.
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Araviel
Gallente
Epic.
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Posted - 2008.12.14 03:11:00 -
[119]
Sheriff and Skunk sitting in a tree, K I S S I N G
Seleene > Why do I have this image of Avariel showing up soon with a baseball bat to sort things out?
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Lazyeye Larry
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Posted - 2008.12.14 03:19:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Apaco lypse
no you do not have to pay for the expansion, but you would have to pay IF you want to walk on staions. got it? expansion=free, walking on stations=$$$. same expansion just an optional upgrade.
When has CCP has ever said that Ambulation/Walking In Stations would be a paid upgrade/expansion or anything other than every other "free" expansion to date.
Or, to make the question more clear for you: lol wut?
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