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Shirley Serious
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:00:00 -
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People say things like "Chill, it's just a game" and similar, whenever SomethingBadHappenedÖ.
If everyone really did treat Eve as "just a game" would it be as fun?
If losses are nothing to care about, aren't wins the same?
Had a conversation recently, someone said stuff about "optimal fittings" and someone else said "who cares as long as it's fun, it's a game", and then there was a row, about how if you're not trying, then it's a mortal insult to your opposition and stuff.
And of course, people being deadly serious about things leads to epic drama and shenanigans, which make great popcorn moments.
So would it be as entertaining?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:02:00 -
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It's only a game when you lose... it's a heroic acheivement if you win 
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 12/12/2008 15:04:39
Every game I have played I have been dead serious through game play. Then came the end and it was all ****s and giggles. So I guess what I am trying to say is as long as you are having fun that is what matters. So people have fun by taking things way to seriously, some do it by spitting into the wind. It would get awfully boring if everyone did it the same way.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:04:00 -
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No it would not. This is entertainment among other things and I love the epic drama that EVE delivers.
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Salliene
Gallente
Terracorp Technologies
Dark Trinity Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:32:00 -
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There are different levels of competitiveness.
Look at chess.
Player A Knows how to move the pieces and that's about it. They play the game never thinking about anything other than how to capture enemy pieces, thinking that is the best way to get to checkmate.
Player B studies classic chess games, plays practice games against himself, read tons of books about the game and spend hours agonizing over every move he made in recent games.
In real life, Player A and Player B don't go to the same places looking for a game, and will never have to play against one another. If Player A and B somehow do wind up playing each other, Player B will destroy player A and life will go on.
In EVE you have the same situation, but Player A and Player B run into each other more often, have to hang out in the same chat rooms and often the same corp. Player A sticks cool stuff on his ship and just wants to go shoot whatever and have fun, win or lose. Player B wants to spend 5 hours in EFT before even considering flying a ship, then spend a few hours sparring with corpmates before going into actual battle.
They just play different ways, but have to play in the same sandbox.
So for each of them the game IS fun, but Player A and Player B will probably not be able to understand how each other can be having fun cause they each have different mindsets.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.12.12 16:28:00 -
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Eve: 50% "Just-a-game", 50% "Serious-business".
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Spectre80
Caldari
The Knights Templar
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.12 16:47:00 -
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i consider EVE to be not just game and thats it.
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Neamus
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:27:00 -
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On the whole I personally don't take it that seriously, its a game after all..
However I do take certain activities within the game seriously, e.g. fleet ops. You're expected to take it seriously, the other people involved are relying on you being sharp and 'on the ball'..
It only takes one or two people who aren't paying attention to mess things up for everyone. I don't mind loosing a battle to an opponents skill, but its another thing entirely to loose it due to someone's incompetence.
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FOl2TY8
Scorpion's Sting
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Neamus
On the whole I personally don't take it that seriously, its a game after all..
However I do take certain activities within the game seriously, e.g. fleet ops. You're expected to take it seriously, the other people involved are relying on you being sharp and 'on the ball'..
It only takes one or two people who aren't paying attention to mess things up for everyone. I don't mind loosing a battle to an opponents skill, but its another thing entirely to loose it due to someone's incompetence.
Exactly why I don't participate in too many fleet ops. I prefer to hunt solo with friends hunting solo nearby. Any of us feel some heat we come running.
Different strokes son!
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:37:00 -
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I don't see the point in playing EVE if you don't take it some bit seriously. I, for one, have many other games which are far far better at providing mindless entertainment.
OTOH, I don't minmax. EVE isn't just a game, but it is a game. I'm not here to do a job, or to win at any cost, I'm here to have fun, so if anyone mentions 'optimal fittings' or the like I'll just /ignore and go back to obsessively tweaking my 'suboptimal' setup.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:59:00 -
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Just cause it is just a game does not mean that it can't be serious.
But this losses have to be real for the game to be fun is just bollox.
I don't care about losses in Eve. I don't like losing ships, but when I do I just get a new one and carry on as before. My wallet is a bit lighter, but so what, it just virtual money. I treat Eve this way because when the Privateers were killed I had to decide if I was going to continue playing. I decided that I would, but that I would play casually.
On the other hand every loss in Dungeon Runners pains me greatly, cause I care about that game, I care about my reputation in that game. But in terms of losing stuff, I miss out on a few King's Coins and thats about it.
I find both games fun and entertaining.
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Rufus MacMaranth
Gallente
Shadow Front
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Posted - 2008.12.12 18:02:00 -
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It is a serious game, but it is a game. You have to have the game perspective, otherwise it would just get silly.
Cheers,
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Qanael Radlari
Caldari
Kinetic Vector
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Posted - 2008.12.12 18:11:00 -
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I do treat EVE as just a game. However, each person has their own level of commitment and seriousness. I have fun anyway.
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Trinity Council.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 12/12/2008 18:44:46
Originally by: Akita T
It's only a game when you lose... it's a heroic acheivement if you win
thats the funny part, they hear someone get mad in local when they pop an expensive ship and say "internet spaceships are serious business"
then they go and celebrate when they win a small fleet fight and go "yay, stupid noobs, we were outnumbered 2:1 and we still kicked your nubish asses"
so contradictory to be honest, so either those people need to shush when someone complains if they want to brag about their victories, or stfu about their victories and "internet spaceships are serious business" all they want
if it was "internet spaceships are serious business" then this game would not be fun, i mean, there are limits, like when the death threats and name calling start getting tossed around, but i think its perfectly justified for someone to get mad if they lose an expensive ship
one or the other
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.12 18:50:00 -
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everything i do in life, i do with some degree of seriousness - my work, raising my daughter, walking my dogs, cleaning my house, driving my car, playing chess, paying my bills - everything.
however, there's a difference between doing things with a level of seriousness and not being able to tell the difference between things that are worth getting bent out of shape over and things that are not.
ultimately, this is a game - if you take it TOO seriously, you might need to re-evaluate the priority of things in your life :)
this is the best game i've ever played and i love this community, but if it interfered with real-life (either mine or my daughter's or my dogs'), i'd quit this game in a HEARTBEAT and never look back :)
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Trinity Council.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Pesky LaRue
everything i do in life, i do with some degree of seriousness - my work, raising my daughter, walking my dogs, cleaning my house, driving my car, playing chess, paying my bills - everything.
however, there's a difference between doing things with a level of seriousness and not being able to tell the difference between things that are worth getting bent out of shape over and things that are not.
ultimately, this is a game - if you take it TOO seriously, you might need to re-evaluate the priority of things in your life :)
this is the best game i've ever played and i love this community, but if it interfered with real-life (either mine or my daughter's or my dogs'), i'd quit this game in a HEARTBEAT and never look back :)
and i would also give all my stuff to soldieroffortune258
just quoting for future reference. . . . .
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Neamus
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:00:00 -
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Lol :)
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
and i would also give all my stuff to soldieroffortune258
just quoting for future reference. . . . .
funny, was just about to reply with "and what's your point" until i saw what you'd done.
word of honour - if i ever quit and my corpies aren't around to get my stuff, i'll contract it ALL to you for 1 isk per contract.
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Lewis Atreides
Caldari
House Atreides trade
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Posted - 2008.12.13 01:32:00 -
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I have lost afew ships, I have lost thousands of ISK ( I'm not in the millions range yet ) and not once have I lost my temper ( my wife had a fun time watching my lack of major reaction to falling to a gatecamp and the worse I said was a "no" and F***" Then I went and bought another ship.I do not beleve in getting angry over what happens to a caracter of mine in a video game, yea I have gotten angry over broken gameplay ( Deathtrap Dungeon for the PS1 comes to mind lol) and I have gotten angry over MMO's ( I was a artisan in SWG... nuff said  ) but never over what other players or npcs have done to me.
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Oku Kee'lus
Unknown Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.12.13 02:56:00 -
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It is just a game... however, I guess it should be equated to a serious hobby for most players.
Let's say you were... erhm, building kites as a hobby.
You spend hours building the damn things, go flying your kites with your mates, drink some booze and plan to edge those other kite-flyers out of their part of the beach... now when lightning strikes, and destroys your kite. You're ****ed, I mean, WTF!, no more kite-flying and drinking with the homies before the damn kite is fixed. ****ing crap.
Then you get home and have sex with your gf/wife/significant other/random hot or not stranger and you think to yourself; "Hey, it's just a bloody kite".
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Xavier Zedicus
Coalition of Nations
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.12.13 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
It's only a game when you lose... it's a heroic acheivement if you win
this.
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar
Army of One
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Posted - 2008.12.13 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 13/12/2008 03:24:31
Originally by: Salliene
There are different levels of competitiveness.
Look at chess.
Player A Knows how to move the pieces and that's about it. They play the game never thinking about anything other than how to capture enemy pieces, thinking that is the best way to get to checkmate.
Player B studies classic chess games, plays practice games against himself, read tons of books about the game and spend hours agonizing over every move he made in recent games.
In real life, Player A and Player B don't go to the same places looking for a game, and will never have to play against one another. If Player A and B somehow do wind up playing each other, Player B will destroy player A and life will go on.
In EVE you have the same situation, but Player A and Player B run into each other more often, have to hang out in the same chat rooms and often the same corp. Player A sticks cool stuff on his ship and just wants to go shoot whatever and have fun, win or lose. Player B wants to spend 5 hours in EFT before even considering flying a ship, then spend a few hours sparring with corpmates before going into actual battle.
They just play different ways, but have to play in the same sandbox.
So for each of them the game IS fun, but Player A and Player B will probably not be able to understand how each other can be having fun cause they each have different mindsets.
This. It's not just Eve - every game that involves multiple people ends up having some people who take it more seriously than others.
But it is just a game - the goal is to have fun, and if you're having fun (and yes, being super internet-spaceships serious is fun for some folks) that's all that counts.
tbh, the only people I've never really understood are the super-serious sports fans, who don't even participate in their sport but obsess over stats and lineups and participate in epic drama nonetheless.
... besides, I've said all I'm going to say. You're reading my sig now! Bwa!
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.12.13 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
I don't see the point in playing EVE if you don't take it some bit seriously. I, for one, have many other games which are far far better at providing mindless entertainment.
OTOH, I don't minmax. EVE isn't just a game, but it is a game. I'm not here to do a job, or to win at any cost, I'm here to have fun, so if anyone mentions 'optimal fittings' or the like I'll just /ignore and go back to obsessively tweaking my 'suboptimal' setup.
This pretty much.
I mean, sure you could have a lot of fun going "Ctrl-A" and then "Fit to Active ship" for every single one of your PvP ships, but I highly doubt you'd win that way.
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mirel yirrin
Gallente
Ore Mongers
Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.12.13 05:04:00 -
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Humans need drama to survive psychologically, therefore we create drama subconsciously.
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Vaugue
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.13 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 13/12/2008 07:08:36
Gamming is for the moment. During your serious time and achievments it's all serious and business. Say 5-6 years later after you have quit for whatever reason you think back and laugh and talk about a great time you had. Obviously there is round you didn't enjoy or the game sucked. We are talking about the good ones here though, the ones that become "serious business".
I was pretty serious into eq1 for the first 3 years. To the point where I lost a job (yeah I admit it). So it was pretty serious business at the time. Now I just look back and laugh about it and think how stupid I was, but I also had a good time.
So as I said gamming is for the moment. Wether that moment is a few hours or a few years. It gets into that hidden part of our brain that we all deny exsists. After a good mind numbing session when we first take ours eyes off the screen and let out that deep sigh as we revell in our fix. We all do it.. don't try to deny it... 
my 2isk.. or possibly a plee for help 
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Jukhta Mein
Domini Umbrus
R.U.R.
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Posted - 2008.12.13 07:14:00 -
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You only tell yourself its a game to encourage yourself psychologically to continue on your serious business.
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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2008.12.13 07:46:00 -
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EVE is just a game, in much the same way that football is just a game.
It's seriousness is proportionate to your investment in it.
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Afale II
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.13 07:55:00 -
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if people invest a lot of time into a game, then it's seriouse buisness for them.
Well I haven't got the time for this, but it is always fun to watch those who get mad at this game just for the lolz at work.
Also trolling/scamming people in eve is alot of fun.
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Julius Rigel
House Rigel
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Posted - 2008.12.13 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
It would get awfully boring if everyone did it the same way.
Because everyone would end up with spit in their faces.
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Isabel Angel
Gallente
NorthUnited
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Posted - 2008.12.13 10:55:00 -
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Tbh. every game i have playd, i have played cos i want to beat it. to go through it and see end credits. tha tcant be in eve but as i started it i didnt think for the second that i want to have fun. i just want to be as good as i can, and maybe, just maybe it gives me some satisfaction if i will be good.
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