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0SKULL0
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Posted - 2003.06.17 21:19:00 -
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This just in, well actually I have been sitting on it for awhile now. A polaris member has stolen over 120 million in assets from my previous corp. From the information I have gathered from members of that corp filing petitions they have been ignored and petitions closed or outright cancelled.
you want the name of the corp well it was Ordo Novus and this member of polaris is now the ceo of that corp after putting in a fix to where he got all the shares of corp so no one could vote him out but this was after he had stolen the corps assets. I do beleive that CCP should hire their volunteers a little more carefully. He hasd given CCP a very bad name and has cost them money by doing this. I may give the name of the polaris member later today if someone else dont beat me to it
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Lee X
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Posted - 2003.06.17 21:43:00 -
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i think u should provide the name, it should be public knowledge if u are sure of your accusations.
this type of thing everyone should know about. there has already been questions about how easy it would be for someone in this position (polaris & etc.) to cheat the eve system.
the knowledge of key locations in the game alone, would be too easy to exploit. and how would anyone know, these positions should be the most trusted people imaginable, to have this ability/knowledge and not take advantage of it. yet we know nothing of their hiring practices nor security measures to insure this doesn't happen!
i could go on for hours on my concerns about this, it's too easy to take advantage of, giving the exploiter (polaris & etc.) an unfair advantage and a head start on everything in eve.
ccp & polaris both, should do something about this, and so should the players of eve be made aware of these occurrences.
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Endorphin
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Posted - 2003.06.17 21:46:00 -
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Why would a guide.. who has all the power he needs, bother to take everything from a corp? Especially when it can be tracked by Devs.
He could just give him self a trillion isk and the best ship in the game.
Something sounds fishy
Edited by: Endorphin on 17/06/2003 21:49:35
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Capn Blood
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Posted - 2003.06.17 21:49:00 -
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Lets hear names, dates times etc.
I want to hear what the peron in question has to say before I come to any conclusions.
It would be all to easy for someone kicked out of a corp to come running here with just this sort of story.
I'm not saying that's what happened...just from long experience of EQ message boards.
I have often seen member01 from guild01 making up garbage about guild-leader01 because he threw them out for whatever reason.
If you're going to post serious accusations like this, you MUST include as much information as possible.
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These men have no honour, and are fit only to be politicians."
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Lee X
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Posted - 2003.06.17 22:14:00 -
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", it should be public knowledge if u are sure of your accusations."
right that is the reason i put this in my post, these things need to be addressed & handled by ccp - polaris - other gaming co. involved and handled immediately. there should also be some way to make sure that these exploits - can't/don't occur in the first place!
this just peaked my attention to some earlier issues/concerns about having so many capabilities in the game, and not take advantage of them in some way.
psst! go to system ??? belt ?? there is plenty of ark that no-one knows about! shhh, don't let no-one know i told you!
how hard would that be, and impossible to trace, get my point! ;)
Edited by: Lee on 17/06/2003 22:14:55
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Capn Blood
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Posted - 2003.06.17 22:28:00 -
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Lee, so far there is no evidence that this DID happen.
In-game guides/helpers need to be able to do things that normal players can't, for example, if a member of Polaris needs to travel 30 systems to come to help you with something, then it's pretty reasonable from a customer service point of view, that they be able to teleport right to your system.
Either that or people wait 2 hours for any response....and a huge backlog builds up...making them pretty useless.
In game guides NEED special abilities.
I am sure some WILL abuse them at some stage or other.
When they are caught, I assume they will be banned.
BUT.....we can't assume this has happened in this case, just because one peron posts here saying it did.
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These men have no honour, and are fit only to be politicians."
The book of Rab
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Insomnia
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Posted - 2003.06.17 22:29:00 -
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For the record..
most Polaris are volunteers, not hired or paid.
Polaris volunteers cannot "give" themselves anything nor can they "give" anything to anyone else. AFAIK, they can teleport themselves anywhere. They can't even move other players, that I know of.
However, the ability to even teleport themselves is a serious problem in the idea it gives any PC corp they belong to a large unfair advantage.
If your allegations are true, it can have serious repurcusions and should be investigated by a GM or higher immediately.
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0SKULL0
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Posted - 2003.06.17 23:00:00 -
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OK you asked for the name and I will give it. the players name is "SOLON". This is what happened, He took everything from corp hanger and wallet, then he tried to force the ceo to resign in order to get the corp stuff back. ceo wouldnt so he took all the shares of the company and proposed a vote to make himself ceo. well with him having all the shares only his vote would count. He did not like how corp was being run so he took everything we worked for. (corp was being run well btw. we had just implemented a pay scale for the corp members to get paid for all their hard work)I guess since he didnt do any work he wanted to keep all the cash and not pay the people who made the corp what it was.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.06.17 23:05:00 -
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Let me get this straight...
This person robbed the corp then held a vote, using all the shares to make himself CEO? Um, doesn't it still take at least 24 hours for any vote to pass? If so and if this person did this as a Polaris volunteer what the hell we're yall doing during that 24h period?? No emails to support?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
FOL1
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Posted - 2003.06.17 23:33:00 -
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We have been through this before, but heres the long and short of it, he revealed his polaris status to gain trust, and as i have posted before I know nothing of shares and how they work in real life or this game (Shares are no where in game manual). He convinced us that shares were not working, I even had a responce from a petition saying they were not working as they should. So i thought no more of it. So attention was drawn away from shares. He only revealed he was a POLARIS, when I removed all his corp rights. I gave them back to him, as i didnt know exactly how much power a POLARIS has, I have now since been told how much power they have, and trust me it aint much. The fact of the matter is he used his POLARIS status (not cheating or stuff like that) to do what he done. Thats the problem. A GM contacted me regarding this, after this post went up, which is niether mine or CCP`s fault, as we kept missing each other, when I was online he wasnt. The GM has assured me they are taking this seriously and will sort it A.S.A.P.
Plus it aint a case of us making up stories, I dont care about being robbed, it happens, its the way it was done, that was wrong.
Edited by: FOL1 on 17/06/2003 23:36:19
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.06.17 23:54:00 -
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Sounds to me like this person is only pretending to be polaris just to impress/invoke awe from you.
Besides, if Polaris is anything like the Eeerquest guide program (its very likely they setup similarly), Polaris Guides will have very little powers. They are only messengers for the GM's. The most of the powers would be things like Translocating themselves, Translocating other players and maybe some NPC-related things.
Edited by: Indigo Seqi on 17/06/2003 23:54:02
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FOL1
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Posted - 2003.06.18 00:05:00 -
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He was not pretending to be a polaris, i know its true, 100%.
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Pyroe
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Posted - 2003.06.18 03:33:00 -
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What amazes me is the fact that voting was not even working up until maybe last patch. I dont even know if it works at all yet.
Our CEO quit the game but passed on all ceo priveliges to myself. I was still not CEO. I in turn thought I would be leaving and am still strongly considering it at the end of the month ( CCP got me for one more =] maybe could have canceled if I found the link =O).
I gave majority shares to someone else and we held a vote. All votes were for this person. RESULT no change in CEO. Second vote all votes and majorityy shares for this person. RESULT no change in CEO.
When the GM's were petitioned about this the reply was " the vote system is NOT working".
The fact our CEO quit the game was confirmed and the new CEO was informed the change would be made the next day.
My question is... if the GM's had to actually intervene and set this change manually (IE the system wouldn't do it because it was not working) how did this person pull this off?
Let's face it GM's have lives and probably play this game and ARE in corps. Polaris members are indeed in corps. Somewhere on these boards there's a post that says a "DEV told me so" in reference to something coming in the game.
How can you control this stuff?
Are people privy to information others are not?
Are some people or groups favoured?
Do some have advantages others will never have?
It can go on and on. The problem is once percieved you can never rid the thought that it is in fact going on.
Edited by: Pyroe on 18/06/2003 03:36:04
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Veridet Faulk
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Posted - 2003.06.18 04:06:00 -
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For the record..
most Polaris are volunteers, not hired or paid.
Polaris volunteers cannot "give" themselves anything nor can they "give" anything to anyone else. AFAIK, they can teleport themselves anywhere. They can't even move other players, that I know of.
However, the ability to even teleport themselves is a serious problem in the idea it gives any PC corp they belong to a large unfair advantage.
Let me shed a little light on this... First of all Polaris volunteer characters are members of the Polaris corp, we cannot join others and we are strictly forbidden to use our ships for any purpose other than in a support role.. (You know a Polaris character right away by the color of their text and the funky ship)
We do have the ability to move "port" ourselves and others around the EVE universe, but out accounts are monitored closely by the powers that be..
Hope this clears things up a little, Be well..
Veridet Faulk
"Well I have seen the contestants and I feel that I am especially attracted to Veridet Faulk. I know that she is a member of the Polaris Corporation that operates inside Jove space, and JovianĘs are particularly hideous, but she is different. I feel particular heart warming friendliness from herą if you know what I mean"- Playboy Enterprises
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Blackout
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Posted - 2003.06.18 07:13:00 -
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To me it sounds like a player did a good job of social play. She tricked you, took your stuff and now you are angry at her. This is understandable.
However, this is not against any of the rules IMHO.
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Bambi
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Posted - 2003.06.18 07:23:00 -
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I does sound like you got scammed by a fake polaris member and are angry for being taken for a ride.
If God made us to be just like him, then God is dumb and maybe a little ugly on the side...[F.Z] |
Skiznillz
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Posted - 2003.06.18 09:37:00 -
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Hey Bambi, that FZ saying is a paraphrase. The song goes:
Hey, we can't really be dumb
If we're just following God's Orders
Hey, let's get serious...
God knows what he's doin'
He wrote this book here
An' the book says:
He made us all to be just like Him,"
so...
If we're dumb...
Then God is dumb...
(An' maybe even a little ugly on the side)
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Sato
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Posted - 2003.06.18 10:17:00 -
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0SKULL0, pls take care of what you are saying.
I know the rules and conditions of bein a member of Polaris.
Someone who would do that risks to be judged at the island-court. BTW, you can¦t join another corp, fly other ships and so on. All actions made by polaris members are strictly monitored by CCP.
I really doubt someone from polaris would do that. Maybe its all about your frustration being kicked out of a corp. So calm down, and everything will be ok.
Greeting ;)
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Pyroe
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Posted - 2003.06.18 10:19:00 -
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Quote: "I does sound like you got scammed by a fake polaris member and are angry for being taken for a ride."
Impersonating a GM or I would think a Polaris as well is a bannable offence.
If I were to tell you I was a GM for instance and convinced you to do something you would be the dupe and I would be subject to being banned period. Pretty sure its in the rules somewhere but I'm not going to dig it up.
Many on this board on the other hand probably have a handy reference to these things.
As for this.
Quote: "Let me shed a little light on this... First of all Polaris volunteer characters are members of the Polaris corp, we cannot join others and we are strictly forbidden to use our ships for any purpose other than in a support role.. (You know a Polaris character right away by the color of their text and the funky ship)"
There is nothing stopping you from having another account and playing the game as a regular player. I see no reason you shouldn't be able to although you would indeed have a heads up it would seem over other players. Being professional and keeping these things to yourself would only be self governing and very hard to control, the same going for GM's.
Quite frankly just posting here or opposing a person that convinced me they were a polaris in game leaves me wondering of repercussions in said game. Call it paranoia if you like but lets face it one never knows and I think this kind of intimidation was a factor in this whole mess.
Edit. P.S. @ Sato.
Quote: "I know the rules and conditions of bein a member of Polaris."
Are you a polaris member? If so your avatar here does not show it. If not, how could you possibly come to know this?
See the door you just opened?
Edited by: Pyroe on 18/06/2003 10:23:10
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Captain Bluebear
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Posted - 2003.06.18 10:34:00 -
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It does sound like you were well and truly taken for a ride by pretty good con-artist, probably working with an insider.
I'd wait to hear confirmation from CCP on the matter before crying foul though.
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Flisher Ofatale
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Posted - 2003.06.18 10:56:00 -
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Quote:
Let me shed a little light on this... First of all Polaris volunteer characters are members of the Polaris corp, we cannot join others and we are strictly forbidden to use our ships for any purpose other than in a support role.. (You know a Polaris character right away by the color of their text and the funky ship)
We do have the ability to move "port" ourselves and others around the EVE universe, but out accounts are monitored closely by the powers that be..
Hope this clears things up a little, Be well..
There are many "GM something" people not in polaris. Some are even in player corporation. Let's say it's really confusing when you see someone called GM Something, speaking in red text cause he have a negative security status from a npc corp. When you ask another true GM, he say: yes, it's a GM not in polaris...
No idea if all GM should be in polaris but it's very confusing to have GM in other corp.
GM should be easily identifiable to avoir imposter.
here some random example:
GM Gnauton: School of Applied Knoledge
GM Gusto: A Litte Test
GM Barrow: Viviam
GM Castor: Center for Advanced Studies
GM Ender: Hedion University
So GM staff can be in other corp than Polaris...
or people can fake they are GM... (GM Gusto base station is polaris soo no doubt he is a polaris...)
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Greeble
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Posted - 2003.06.18 11:42:00 -
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Polaris is the out-of-game name for the volunteers that "guide" in Eve. These people have light green text in chat. Leads ("Centurions") have bright green text in chat.
Polaris is also the name of the in-game corporation that all the volunteers belong to.
Polaris is ALSO a name of a type of ship, available only to Polaris volunteer characters that have learned the Polaris skill (which you can't find in-game ever, it has to be generated with the character or assigned by a GM).
GM stands for gamesmaster; they are separate from Polaris, in that they are paid (by Siminn, Icelandic Telecom) customer support staff. GMs have access to their GM tools which they use for dealing with your various petitions. I don't know precisely what those tools can do, because I don't have access to them - the astute will have noticed that I'm not a GM, I'm a Polaris Centurion.
Polaris people don't get GM tools; so far our only tool is the ability to teleport ourselves (not anyone else) about the place, and even that is only possible when we're logged into our volunteer account, and our character is in our Polaris-class ship.
This is all the case for the Live game server; the rules are different for the Chaos test server, where certain of the volunteers have GM-level access (and no, there are no database errors meaning that people have GM tools on Live by mistake; we checked). These include several of the BugHunters and Events team members and leads, and is because of the nature of their activities.
For the record, I've investigated 0SKULL0's claim, and the person he claims ripped him off is not (and never was), in fact, a member of Polaris (indeed, Solon could not have joined his corporation if he WERE a Polaris person, ergo he was/is not).
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Trunicus
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Posted - 2003.06.18 12:27:00 -
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What is being done to the person that pretended to be Polaris? The punishment for pretending to be ccp staff at any level should be direr. At the least all ill gotten gains by the polaris want-to-be lair should be return and the lair should get a couple days suspension. At the max people pretending to be CCP staff/help at lvl should be banned.
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Captain Bluebear
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Posted - 2003.06.18 12:53:00 -
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Ha! Conned! Thought so!
Solon claimed to be Polaris (they are not CCP 'staff'). A quick check on the character's corp info should have tipped the wink there.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
Anyway, what did his 'Polaris' claim have to do with letting him join your corp? You weren't angling for insider info were you? Surely that would be against the rules?
Edited by: Captain Bluebear on 18/06/2003 12:58:21
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Lee X
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Posted - 2003.06.18 12:53:00 -
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the concept of a help group ingame is a good one, but i still have concerns about it. because the ability to warp to any place in eve is an advantage to anyone that plays, if they take advantage of it.
i've seen polaris members help noobs at the start of game, seen one in an asteriod belt the second week. i trust most of polaris, but i've seen some people just too eager to join and this bothers me.
so they have other game accounts, right ???
do u assign areas of eve, where they help but cannot play thier account chars in, or is there any security measure to insure they don't use this knowledge of locations for thier own personal gain.
or is this a benefit or perc of being polaris, if so u would probably have everyone in eve wanting to join!
and if someone in polaris had a regular account then couldn't they really be in polaris & belong in a regular corp when logged in to their regular account, like this corp said ???
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.06.18 13:03:00 -
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lol bluebear.
Eyes bigger than corp. wallet...
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Greeble
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Posted - 2003.06.18 14:13:00 -
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To clarify, again.
A Polaris character can only teleport himself while inside his Polaris ship.
Polaris ships cannot mount any hi/med/low slot modules, have no cargo hold space and have no drone bay space. They can go very fast, have lots of hitpoints and shield, and act as an ingame representation of the volunteer's presence, nothing more.
- Greeble
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Lee X
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Posted - 2003.06.18 15:30:00 -
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greeble, if you are trying to address my question / concerns, then i must not be getting my point across.
i'm not going to rant or rave, nor will i post here again unless requested to. but i do have questions and i am concerned!
so are you saying that polaris members do Not have player accounts, or allowed to play eve?
or is there some kind of security measures on the part of Polaris to insure that the locations that they find as a polaris member (ark/hidden loot/stations, etc.) will in no way be used by them while playing thier payed user accounts (not Polaris account!) ???
this is my concern, not polaris members exploiting while in their polaris role but when they play as normal eve players on their normal accounts.
if u can't or don't want to answer this question at this time, i understand. i hope if these conditions exist, that it might raise the same concerns among polaris & ccp, as well.
thx for trying to reply to them, anyway! ;)
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Ansuul
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Posted - 2003.06.18 18:19:00 -
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This is all quite interesting, not just because of the main issue, but also because this is the first time I've read about the powers of Polaris, and how one can recognize them. This should be saved and posted somewhere, because it's important for players to know how to ID true Polaris members.
One point to clarify in the above however... A Polaris member said that Solon was never in Polaris. However, it is an incomplete answer. Does the *player* running Solon have some other character in Polaris?
Irrespective of this incident, it brings up interesting questions about the "code of ethics". If a player who has a Polaris character makes that fact known, to what extent are they bound by the code of ethics (written or unwritten) that Polaris follows?
My impression of Polaris is that it provides assistance to players. Again, without asserting the truth about this incident, what would be the stance be towards someone who used their Polaris status to build confidence while withholding or manipulating information to the detriment of others (while playing their non-Polaris characters)?
This to me is a very tricky question with no easy answers.
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FOL1
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Posted - 2003.06.18 21:07:00 -
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Now, this is getting annoying, it has been confirmed he is a polaris, and if you read what I said, you would see why we are annoyed. So stop saying we were conned, as we were not, he USED HIS POLARIS STATUS to get what he wanted, do you understand now. I getting sick and tired of people bad mouthing us, saying you got conned, it aint a case of that. He can keep the corp, it was the way it was done that concerned us. So, lets leave this thread til the GM`s get back to us.
In answer to the above, yes all polaris have a seperate account, SOLON is his normal character account.
Edited by: FOL1 on 18/06/2003 21:09:49
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Maevius Maestus
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Posted - 2003.06.18 21:10:00 -
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Why don't you just say how he managed to fool you into believing that he was polaris member. This way others might be prepared if someone tries it again.
I for one, would never trust a guy saying taht he was a GM unless I saw it in the chat-screen. (colours...)
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0SKULL0
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Posted - 2003.06.18 21:50:00 -
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YOU PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY DO NOT READ BEFORE REPLYING!!!
I was not kicked from the corp!!
The person in question is a actual Polaris member!!!
And he was the one who recruited me into the corp to begin with. then after I mined for 10 days straight 12 hours a day he took everything and made it where I couldnt get paid.
Edited by: 0SKULL0 on 18/06/2003 21:51:51
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Blackout
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Posted - 2003.06.19 06:53:00 -
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So, it was his corp to begin with? I feel sorry for you if you worked for so long time without getting payed.
As Greeble say you can easily spot a character from a Polaris account. There is however nothing preventing a Polaris player from buying copies of EVE and playing with.
As stated, impersonating a Polaris member is an offence. Recruiting characters to your corporation and getting them to mine for you for free is not. Taking over a copropration and cleaning it out is not. Beeing a fool with lot's of time and money is not.
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FOL1
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Posted - 2003.06.20 21:34:00 -
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Hi, just to let you know. A GM will be posting here, to clear some things up. Please stop commenting until GM has his/her say. Unless they already posted somewhere else already, :)
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Kerry
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Posted - 2003.07.21 14:16:00 -
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This found true?
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DeiZoN
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Posted - 2003.07.21 14:18:00 -
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Let's see
Trolling is prohibited.
"Trolling" is the phrase used to describe a post which is deliberately designed for the sole purpose of angering and insulting the members of the forum community. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not convey a friendly attitude.
Yup, definately trolling!
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nono
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Posted - 2003.07.21 14:22:00 -
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Ask FOL1 ingame or privately.
The actions of GM's are not to be discussed on the forum but a private discussion may enlighten you.
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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2003.07.21 14:38:00 -
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fek.....
what was the outcome then ?
was this bloke polaris ?
was u conned.....
what did the GM have to say ?
was the person impersonating a Polaris dude ? (if so did he get his nuts roasted)
fek fek fek
u lot worse than an episode of 24.
all this excitement and we dont know the outcome...
BooHoo
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Blackie
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Posted - 2003.07.22 21:58:00 -
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nice to see they still dont even consider the fact that GM's or Polaris folk who are unscrupulous can still use their powers to explore and then use a normal chars account or tell their normal char's corp where to get stuff....afterall....why would the folks who are supposed to fix problems (THE GM'S!) want this fixed?
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.07.22 22:16:00 -
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How would you propose that this be enforced?
It can't. They can officially rule that it is not permitted, but it's a pretty difficult thing to detect and bust a Polaris member for.
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Destan Lesthani
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Posted - 2003.07.23 01:03:00 -
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Blackie, you're an idiot.
The GMs are paid--this is their job. They have no reason at all to cheat, because they'd lose their job.
Anyone who claims a Polaris person can "take" shares is either ignorant or a liar. Not only that, CCP knows what each Polaris person's player account is--if this was a case of a Polaris person using his/her "status" to convince people to give him/her shares, well, that person will be in huge trouble, not to mention that the other people are not very smart.
All these claims that GMs or CCP or Polaris people cheat is BS and is just more whining.
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2003.07.23 03:21:00 -
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i'm only posting here cause it's already been bumped,
but
why did you guys have to reply to a thread almost a month old??
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Mandos
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Posted - 2003.07.23 04:13:00 -
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If you ever find a Polaris member doing something you find wrong, just contact CCP immediately.
This being said, this trolling topic is now being closed.
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ps. I also don't see why somebody being a volonteer would make you give them all your stuff. But that's beside the point.
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