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Digital Messiah
N7 Corporation
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Posted - 2011.09.12 17:40:00 -
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I would like to propose a change to the current punishments of botting and RMT.
RMT: If a player is caught buying or selling isk their account will be banned, Credit card, I.P. address, will also go on a black list for the next year. "Year long ban for buyers, permanent for sellers."
RMT is a gateway to other illicit actions.
Botting: Harsher version of three strikes you are out. 1. Character caught using a botting program is frozen for the next year. 2. If another character is used on the account to bot, both characters are instantly sent to the bio. 3. A third time will have the account shut down, their credit card, I.P. address, and further access to EVE-Online banned.
As it stands, I could start botting today, and depending on my means to evade being caught, could do so for months. CCP holds far to little punishment on botting. So what is to stop individuals who see very clearly that they will only get a slap on the wrist from doing so? Also why hasn't CCP utilized bans for individuals credit cards, I.P.'s, or used a system to verify accounts to an individual?
Before someone says "I can reset my I.P. very easily that will never work." Yes you are right for the most part. I have however seen gaming companies go so far as to contact those individuals ISP's. By doing this they can choose to block that users access until they switch providers.
Can CCP stop them from going over to a friends, cyber cafe, using pay pal, plex, or having someone else start an account up for them? No, not entirely. But with these stricter restrictions it will make people more wary about providing such services to a black listed individual.
Also I believe a caught botter should have a flag put on their account. Allowing every one to see that they had been caught. This would discourage corporations from recruiting such individuals. It would also make it easier to track second offenders.
+1 if you agree -1 if you disagree
Please post your opinions on both subjects. Why perhaps this system will not work as proposed. Or why you think some of these features need looking into sooner. Thank you for reading.
TL;DR: Stricter bans for those caught botting. RMT should be a one way street to never playing EVE again. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" |
Ifly Uwalk
Concentrated Evil
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Posted - 2011.09.12 18:11:00 -
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+1
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Griznatch
Xicron Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.09.12 19:57:00 -
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-GêÜ7 |
CoLe Blackblood
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.09.12 20:02:00 -
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Oh the Scarlet Letter |
Sacredx Taredi
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.12 20:11:00 -
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Touch+¬
...no but really, +1 |
Cerisia
Lone Star enterprises
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Posted - 2011.09.12 20:53:00 -
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+1 I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
SomeoneStrange
Total Grief
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Posted - 2011.09.12 21:04:00 -
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As long as CCP's bot detection methods are nearly 100% accurate, I'll give this a +1.
The only reason I can see for the lighter "wrist slap" measures, is just in case a legitimate(albeit obsessed) player is banned using these harsher measures. I'd rather not have my characters biomassed because I randomly decided to pull a 48 hour mining marathon. |
LiSung
New Eden Asteroid Preservation Society
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Posted - 2011.09.12 22:40:00 -
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Greetings,
We at the New Eden Asteroid Preservation Society (NEAPS) have recently organized in an ongoing effort to prevent the automated mining ("botting") which has become a scourge on the New Eden celestial environment. This wanton raping of our natural resources by robotic mining vessels will strip the galaxy of its natural beauty, leaving barren space for future generations. For the sake of our children and grandchildren, we must take it upon ourselves to protect this vast wilderness that is New Eden.
To this end, we are beginning to patrol Empire space in search of robotic hulks. When they are found, they will be summarily destroyed. CONCORD disapproves of our actions, but our resources are vast and our pilots disposable; we will stop at nothing to curb these threats to the environment.
If you operate one of these "bots" and wish to be ignored by patrolling NEAPS agents, a Mining Licensing Extension (MinLex) is available for just 100,000,000 isk per month. These funds will be used to continue in the enforcement of sustainable environmental policies across New Eden.
Regards,
LiSung CEO, NEAPS |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.09.13 00:01:00 -
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I have forwarded hundreds of names for botting violations. I know a whole alliance that bots-they have MS, Titans etc. I have a great desire to see all cheaters purged and all the ISK removed.
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Kerppe Krulli
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.13 00:04:00 -
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Darius III wrote: I have forwarded hundreds of names for botting violations. I know a whole alliance that bots-they have MS, Titans etc. I have a great desire to see all cheaters purged and all the ISK removed.
+10^99javascript:__doPostBack('forum$ctl00$Cancel','')
Did you report your alliance bots or just your enemy's alliance bots? |
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Demon Azrakel
Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.09.13 00:05:00 -
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+1 |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.13 00:16:00 -
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+1 |
RUSROG
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.09.13 02:30:00 -
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+1
-áE .-+ ` ' /-+. F
Your tears fuel me. And as always, have nice day. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.13 03:33:00 -
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+1 |
Brego Tralowski
Galactic Extensive Technologies SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.09.13 05:08:00 -
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+1
However, whilst I agree with what you're saying I doubt CCP will ever change the current system. I have reported a Bot last week I believe it was, he's still out mining all damn day! And i'm sure that bots (seeing as there's so many) contribute quite a large portion to the market? (I assume).
And of course they generate income for CCP, so getting rid of Bots would impact them financially to some degree. People who mine properly will always compete with the bots, and CCP will always act slowly when it comes to getting rid of accounts. |
whaynethepain
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2011.09.13 06:25:00 -
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-1
I imagine a place where people do what's right because they want to.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for corporal punishment, Dictatorship, Marshal law and Extremism.
If we cull all the bad people, there would only be good people right?
I'm afraid this could be a downward spiral.
You may one day make a mistake, perhaps writing something as simple as, "I could use a bot", for example. Or perhaps encouraging others to go about New Eden, openly ganking High-Sec miners and auto-pilot industrials watching the football on tele, because they looked like bots.
You have perhaps come to the right place, but I will give you the benefit of doubt, I believe your not using a bunch of alts, trying to light public opinion into re-igniting Hulkageddon and forcing young, naive, passive players out of the game for thrills.
CCP knows exactly what they are doing, and they have the full support of the whole Eve-Online community.
But on a side note, have you got a good Brutix T I fit I could see? |
Brego Tralowski
Galactic Extensive Technologies SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
0
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Posted - 2011.09.13 06:51:00 -
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whaynethepain wrote: But on a side note, have you got a good Brutix T I fit I could see?
This is also a very good way to sort out Bots, I generally use T1 fitted Bruts and just go and Gank the Hulk(s) in question. In a 0.5 system you can kill a Hulk before Concord arrives, overheat your guns and your golden.
I have ganked the same Bot over and over, hit them in the Wallet which is why they are Boting anyway, plus it feels good |
Digital Messiah
N7 Corporation
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Posted - 2011.09.13 16:21:00 -
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whaynethepain wrote:
But on a side note, have you got a good Brutix T I fit I could see?
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/53338-Brutix-Hulkageddon.html has its ups and downs, depends on your skills and desires. Can change the Passive targeter for a webifier instead.
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" |
Esagila
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.13 20:10:00 -
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+1
I totally agree, people who use these programs should face severe consequences when caught, provided that CPPGÇÖs identification system is without error. I especially like the gradient scale that you use for repeat offenses.
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AngelFood
No C0de
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Posted - 2011.09.13 21:43:00 -
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Who are you? What possible authority could you have on the subject? What are you proposals compared to?(ie. what makes you think ccp aren't harsher than your pathetic proposals?)
Why are people taking such a weak thread seriously?
CCP are already engaged in a strict enforcement of botting and have published full ban numbers and are continuing the good work with a vengeance.
This is probably some sad weak propaganda and if i was ccp i'd ban you, just to show you that your not as clever as you think you are either way. |
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Shelob Pippen
The Black Legionnares Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.09.13 21:50:00 -
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+1
I say ban em all, for all time. |
Digital Messiah
N7 Corporation
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Posted - 2011.09.14 00:43:00 -
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AngelFood wrote:Who are you? What possible authority could you have on the subject? What are you proposals compared to?(ie. what makes you think ccp aren't harsher than your pathetic proposals?)
Why are people taking such a weak thread seriously?
CCP are already engaged in a strict enforcement of botting and have published full ban numbers and are continuing the good work with a vengeance.
This is probably some sad weak propaganda and if i was ccp i'd ban you, just to show you that your not as clever as you think you are either way. I don't know how to take this seriously. If it wasn't so illogical, or your proposal that I be banned for having an opinion, than perhaps I could take you for something other than a troll. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2011.09.25 04:43:00 -
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+1 |
seany1212
The Scowling Men The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2011.09.25 08:11:00 -
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WTF-¦s this doing in C&P, go play in GD or something
However, since its here, +1 |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.25 15:14:00 -
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Digital Messiah wrote:Words
1. Why is this in Crime and Punishment? Botting isn't an EVE crime (Ganking, High sec asshattery, ransom + podding, corp thief revealment), its a crime against the EULA. Suggestions is <<-- or was it -->>
2. You are not Judge Dread, put away the Batcowls and stop shouting "I am BATMAN! For...I am...the LAW!!!" for dramatic effect. You hit the petition, fill out the information necessary, hit submit, and BAM! Done. Thats it. You are not judge, jury, and executioner. Leave the necessary work to the GM's, because they are paid to deal with that shat. Best you can do is gank the target as someone already posted.
3. Why would CCP want to ban accounts? Unless it a mass banning like "Holy Ragegeddon" to shut down the bot farms containing massive numbers of accounts (basicly factories putting out the isk), its better off for CCP to just leave the individual accounts as is and hit the wallet. Make it go negitive, because if you have zero isk in the wallet and remove all assets on the account, you cannot do anything: No contracts, no fitting ships, no marketing, nothing. So you have two choices; cancel the sub by your own submission to move on to another MMO or bow down, admit you F*** up, and buy plex. CCP wants you to buy plex, sell on alt character, send isk to character with neg wallet and BAM! Imagine if the wallet was minus 5 billion isk....thats what? $35 USD x 3 purchases = 6 plex for (400 million, rounding up). Even sending back to the offending character, it disseappers into nothing to make it positive and you basicly pay a $100+ fee to reinstate your account to playable condition (cause you cannot do anything with a rookie ship and civ guns, having no other means to buy actual weapons) . CCP then continues to make money off your subscription and if you bot again only to be reset to zero asset/isk...then you are just plain stupid
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seany1212
The Scowling Men The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2011.09.25 16:28:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:its better off for CCP to just leave the individual accounts as is and hit the wallet. Make it go negitive, because if you have zero isk in the wallet and remove all assets on the account, you cannot do anything: No contracts, no fitting ships, no marketing, nothing. So you have two choices; cancel the sub by your own submission to move on to another MMO or bow down, admit you F*** up, and buy plex.
Wrong. They-¦re bots, what the hell do they need all that for? You can leave them in a pod and strip them of isk and assets, then whoever owns them will just jet a barge from somewhere and they-¦ll be back to mining again, dont need isk and assets in order to mine. Banning them would be the logical method but in doing that CCP will be selling less plex on the market to the botters, this is why nothing will ever get done, botters still mean subscriptions for every character thats botting, it still results in cash in CCP-¦s wallet when it comes to plex buying. The only case this does not apply is when isk is being sold through other methods. I-¦d like to see them banned but we-¦ll see with CCP-¦s current subscription problem.
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Fedimart
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.09.25 16:40:00 -
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Obviously this thread has angered a few botters. Running macros is common in eve and for the most part CCP turns a blind eye to it because even bots are PAYING accounts. When I was in 0.0 I reported many macro ratters and CCP did nothing. CCP does enforce the no ISK buying rule since it directly competes with their PLEX sales. When bots start costing CCP money they will disappear. I know most eve players don't like bots but like it or not CCP is in the business to make money. This is no different than any other business. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.26 04:26:00 -
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seany1212 wrote:Aqriue wrote:its better off for CCP to just leave the individual accounts as is and hit the wallet. Make it go negitive, because if you have zero isk in the wallet and remove all assets on the account, you cannot do anything: No contracts, no fitting ships, no marketing, nothing. So you have two choices; cancel the sub by your own submission to move on to another MMO or bow down, admit you F*** up, and buy plex.
Wrong. They-¦re bots, what the hell do they need all that for? You can leave them in a pod and strip them of isk and assets, then whoever owns them will just jet a barge from somewhere and they-¦ll be back to mining again, dont need isk and assets in order to mine. Banning them would be the logical method but in doing that CCP will be selling less plex on the market to the botters, this is why nothing will ever get done, botters still mean subscriptions for every character thats botting, it still results in cash in CCP-¦s wallet when it comes to plex buying. The only case this does not apply is when isk is being sold through other methods. I-¦d like to see them banned but we-¦ll see with CCP-¦s current subscription problem.
Good old Forum cookie monster, eating my post and all I did was hit preview
To rehash it quick, cause I got to go.
The general population is a collective idiot that jumps to the quickest assumption "Bot! Get the pitchforks and rope!" without enough information because they see the exact Name1-Name5 in the same belt. Not everyone bots, I know of a guy that runs 5 accounts (converstation jumps from character to character as he alt tabs) mining to PLEX them all and if thats his choice...so what. If he was botting, he wouldn't keep on doing it after CCP did an investigation only to find macroboting and mining is so brain dead that you don't need to bot it. If he wants to work a second job in EVE, kudos to him because it helps to keep the price of PLEX more or less stable as too many selling PLEX they just bought with RL cash (<--micro-transaction! Get the rope!) would drive the price down to the point no one would want to sell 100m for 30 days of game time (to many slackass buying PLEX with cash to trade for ISK is also a huge problem already, they are to damn lazy to mission or mine for a source of income but they want to jump straight to ship piloting and ship destruction). . And if this same guy botted....where would he get the necessary material to start over if all 5 accounts to mine again if his account was set to zero? He isn't part of a sweat shop, which should deserve perma banning, but on the individual basis for those running many accounts I don't think CCP really cares because they encourage multi-boxing and if someone took a short cut...well I doubt they would want to start over from scratch unless it was the sweat shops but threat of lolban hasn't stopped them yet.
And Bob is your uncle. |
BuzzyBeagle
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.09.26 12:56:00 -
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attention INTERPOL looks like the OP is a WW2 german war criminal |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.09.26 13:02:00 -
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BuzzyBeagle wrote:attention INTERPOL looks like the OP is a WW2 german war criminal attention CCP looks like BuzzyBeagle is a RMT isk buying communist
Stop ruining the good name of SN on the forums, or at least try harder. |
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