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Silver Fusion	Posted - 2008.12.13 19:34:00 - [1] Hey guys, we are currently thinking about a setup of 2-3 people to run smooth Lv5 Missions. As we got no experince with them I want to ask for a little advice, hints and tipps in here. Our cuurent plan is to get a passive tanked Nighthawk as tank with a Dominix in the back (cap and shield transfer plus some drone damage) plus a third member in a BS (most likely a Megathron). What you thinkg? Is this plan total bull..? ;-) Happy for any suggestions.
The Critic	Posted - 2008.12.13 21:29:00 - [2] Sounds solid but then again my experience with lvl 5 is limited. But since your in doubt try the test server. I tried a drone mission solo in a Rokh worked ok.
black vodka	Posted - 2008.12.13 23:10:00 - [3] if you have a carrier you can do a few of them solo
Lyvanna Kitaen Minmatar Noonday Sun Corp	Posted - 2008.12.14 05:51:00 - [4] I've ran them with just me and an alt. My alt was in a totally passive Heavy Interdictor (Onyx or Broadsword depending on the NPC Type) and my main in either a Nighthawk or CNR fit for gank. The Hictor goes in first and grabs all the aggro and then the gank ship comes in and kills stuff. Some things to remember: 1) Kill the missile batteries first since they tend to shoot ammo that does a different damage type than the NPCs which can play hell with your tank. 2) If a bunch of new ships spawn and target your gank ship, just warp out and let then lock onto your tank. 3) Neut towers have a lot of hit points and take a while to kill. I generally don't even bother killing them unless the mission has multiple rooms. As long as they are locked onto your passive tanked ship, they can be ignored.
Silver Fusion	Posted - 2008.12.15 00:09:00 - [5] Thanks for the input guys. Will just try it out then when we have a solid gang together... Will see if we melt through it or get wasted. ;-) (Will FRAPS both possibilitys for general laughs in here :P)
Babel Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.12.15 12:11:00 - [6] Passive res Navy Auguror with plates, Armor++ rigs [and small ACs for close range friggys] plus an Oneiros/Guardian makes a nice high HP aggro sink - just add gankships and watch yr spawn triggers. ------- * Your signature is too wide. Please note, we require signatures to be no larger than 400x120 pixels - Fallout "Out of the good of evil born, Came Uriel's voice of cherub scorn"
Nagasumi Caldari Navy Runners	Posted - 2008.12.15 13:43:00 - [7] If you got 3 people this is what we run. 1x mega with blaster gank setup 2x guardians with cap transfers and reps Guardians generate cap from nothing keeping the mwd and guns running on the mega and both guardians aswell as the mega have light drones to take out scramming frigs. If you trigger a new spawn guardians can have there own repper aswell as one rep on each other running permanantly. And with their low signature radius and high resist they take little dmg. works like a charm when pirates attack aswell =) the mega often slaughters most ships.
Circle Caldari Eat Ship and Die	Posted - 2008.12.15 16:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Nagasumi If you got 3 people this is what we run. 1x mega with blaster gank setup 2x guardians with cap transfers and reps Guardians generate cap from nothing keeping the mwd and guns running on the mega and both guardians aswell as the mega have light drones to take out scramming frigs. If you trigger a new spawn guardians can have there own repper aswell as one rep on each other running permanantly. And with their low signature radius and high resist they take little dmg. works like a charm when pirates attack aswell =) the mega often slaughters most ships. MWD in deadspace? Testing
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.12.16 05:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Lyvanna Kitaen I've ran them with just me and an alt. My alt was in a totally passive Heavy Interdictor (Onyx or Broadsword depending on the NPC Type) and my main in either a Nighthawk or CNR fit for gank. The Hictor goes in first and grabs all the aggro and then the gank ship comes in and kills stuff. I didn't think of that ship, and I'm skilled to fly it. Thank you as I have the hardest time with angel missions because of the damage type. I have used the Onyx and Nighthawk but in low sec I prefer the Onyx. Anyways thanks for the idea of using the Broadsword, plus people will be less willing to play with a mission running group if there is a Heavy dic there to lock someone down.
Cloora APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.12.16 06:40:00 - [10] We use a passive NH for main tank with a logi-Domi for logistics and DPS when needed. Then we run a 3rd DPS battleship (CNR, Tachy Abaddon, Pulse Apoc etc) to complement the others. Works well.
Nagasumi Caldari Navy Runners	Posted - 2008.12.16 10:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Circle Originally by: Nagasumi If you got 3 people this is what we run. 1x mega with blaster gank setup 2x guardians with cap transfers and reps Guardians generate cap from nothing keeping the mwd and guns running on the mega and both guardians aswell as the mega have light drones to take out scramming frigs. If you trigger a new spawn guardians can have there own repper aswell as one rep on each other running permanantly. And with their low signature radius and high resist they take little dmg. works like a charm when pirates attack aswell =) the mega often slaughters most ships. MWD in deadspace? Sorry meant AB
Lyvanna Kitaen Minmatar Noonday Sun Corp	Posted - 2008.12.16 23:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Bloody Rabbit Originally by: Lyvanna Kitaen I've ran them with just me and an alt. My alt was in a totally passive Heavy Interdictor (Onyx or Broadsword depending on the NPC Type) and my main in either a Nighthawk or CNR fit for gank. The Hictor goes in first and grabs all the aggro and then the gank ship comes in and kills stuff. I didn't think of that ship, and I'm skilled to fly it. Thank you as I have the hardest time with angel missions because of the damage type. I have used the Onyx and Nighthawk but in low sec I prefer the Onyx. Anyways thanks for the idea of using the Broadsword, plus people will be less willing to play with a mission running group if there is a Heavy dic there to lock someone down. I actually like the Broadsword quite a lot as a tank ship against EM-dealing NPC's like Sansha/Blood/Amarr. For Gurista/Gallente/Caldari/Serpentis I prefer the Onyx. I haven't ran any L5's against Angels or Minmatar, so I can't really say which would be the better ship.
PlanetXMail	Posted - 2008.12.17 12:37:00 - [13] I have a main character (flying a Megathron ). I have an ALT which is flying a Guardian. Is it possible to do level 5 missions with just 2, using the above ships? There was a previous post about a 2 guardian and 1 gank ship, but was wondering if 1 guardian is possible. This in effect, would allow me to do level 5 missions, (solo, running 2 clients).
AureuSZ The Scope	Posted - 2008.12.17 16:04:00 - [14] I was thinking of a setup for lvl 5 missions : 2 Battleships with maximum shield hardeners : One with + 1 large shield transporter + 1 large energy transfer the second with + 2 large shield transporter This works pretty well with ravens: [Raven, mission] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Invulnerability Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Invulnerability Field II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile Large Shield Transporter II Large Energy Transfer Array II Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I [Basilisk, shield] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Invulnerability Field II (or specific, i just didn't mess up with resists as It's just some projected fit.) Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Large Shield Transporter II Large Shield Transporter II Large Energy Transfer Array II Large Energy Transfer Array II Large Energy Transfer Array II [empty high slot] Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Quickfit gives a 1162 defense with default settings if you give the basilisk 2 large shield transfert, with 3 you go at 1600 + The ravens can switch the large shield transporters to increase their defense having a total max of 4 large shield transfert on them giving with this test setup a nice 1538 defense without drones. You need a large energy transfert on one BS to help the guardian with cap. I know it's not a ultimate setup but i thing it's quite easy to put in place and I think, safe. what do you think ?
Jelosavich	Posted - 2008.12.17 17:04:00 - [15] Just did 2 missions last night (Angel and Sansha) with a Drake and Marauder with 3 Large Meta4 Shield Transfer Arrays. First mission warped out once when a bunch of frigates spawned so we could make sure we were at full when we got scrambled, and then the tank was close to breaking with the incoming DPS when we got back in. Second one didn't even have to turn on the LSTAs.
Abyss Wyrm Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.17 22:00:00 - [16] If you have at least one logistic-fited ship (not necessary logistic cruiser, BS usualy do better even), you can do it even with 2 ships. Any extra just'll haste mission a bit, but then LPs will be spended on 3 persons as well.
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.12.18 00:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Lyvanna Kitaen Originally by: Bloody Rabbit I didn't think of that ship, and I'm skilled to fly it. Thank you as I have the hardest time with angel missions because of the damage type. I have used the Onyx and Nighthawk but in low sec I prefer the Onyx. Anyways thanks for the idea of using the Broadsword, plus people will be less willing to play with a mission running group if there is a Heavy dic there to lock someone down. I actually like the Broadsword quite a lot as a tank ship against EM-dealing NPC's like Sansha/Blood/Amarr. For Gurista/Gallente/Caldari/Serpentis I prefer the Onyx. I haven't ran any L5's against Angels or Minmatar, so I can't really say which would be the better ship. I have ran against the angels and it was too much with a fully fitted logistic BS putting shields on a passive nighthawk. It just couldn't hold and that was with 2 others to put the DPS on; so I like the idea of the Broadsword that I will use when I run against the angels in the future.
Arazel Chainfire Arazel Industrial Holdings Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:20:00 - [18] Setup that I plan to use as soon as I get the other two characters up to skill 3 Domi's each fit as following Highs 3 LRAR (meta 4 because of cap usage) 2 drone link augmentors (maybe drop 1 for a tractor beam) 1 aggro gun Mids 3 cap recharger 2's 2 omnidirectional tracking links Lows 4 passive hardeners (mission specific) 3 CPR 2 Rigs 1 sentry damage augmentor 2 remote rep rigs (the ones that reduce cap usage of remote reps) Drones 5 guarde (1's or 2's... 2's perferred) 5 Warden (same as above) 5 ogre 2's This would give with max skills just short of 1500dps at 40km, with 400dps tanked per remote rep. That would give total of 2400dps tanked on whichever domi gets targeted, and it wouldn't matter which one ended up being the tank. It is also cap stable without having all that high skills - with max skills one can actually run 3 solace large and 1 solace medium permarepping, or 3 t2 large. Having remote repping 5 is a must for using t2 reps however. The other option that I considered would be to go in with 2-3 marauders, (or nightmare), and have remote reps in the highs. That would take more skill training and more work for a single player however. Of course, with 3 people playing 3 characters, that would work out very well. -Arazel Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Mutual Incomprehension is one of the Four Horsemen of most internet arguments, I guess, along with Unfettered Hostility, Overwhelming Vagueness, and Lack of Evidence.
Kazami Kozura	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:54:00 - [19] Remember, thist lvl5 are in lowsec, so the more cheap ur setup is (and insureable) that better, cause you'll most likely be jumped by pirates some times and loose your full gang.
Toria Nynys Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.18 06:43:00 - [20] Been thinking about this myself. Some additional thoughts: You seem to be neglecting command bonuses in your calculations. You can install a low SP alt at a safe cycling multiple gank links in a tier1 battlecruiser. The tankable DPS improvements can be impressive. If you've got the ability to transfer energy to the tank consider running a Vulture as your tank ship. Vultures can achieve a better tank than nighthawks. A full passive setup NH is going to have the DPS of a wet noodle anyway -- the Vulture is a better call. And it can fit multiple gang links! Rattlesnakes bust out impressive passive tanks, with 2 spare high slots for medium energy & shield transfers. Add in the command ship running gang links and we're talking a viable long range DPS platform with the ability to tank. Domis can be passive shield tanked -- but not while using sentry drone rigs and mods. Still, you can bring a large amount of drones to do everything from remote repping the other 2 ships to dps and ewar. Flexibility > dps. For a few more iskies a passive shield tank Ishtar works even better. So for L5s rolled in highsec, I'd say rattlesnakes + vulture are the cat's meow. For lowsec the spider tanking domi group seems the pick of the litter.
Jhing Fing	Posted - 2008.12.18 07:11:00 - [21] I can do Lvl 5's rather easily with a rail Megathron and a Geddon(Alt) doing logistics with 6xLarge Remote Armor Reps and 2xLarge Energy Transfers. I fit the mega with at least 4 hardeners and 3 mag stabs. Because of the high total dps of lvl 5s the mission can go to hell really fast if you allow the geddon to take aggro and don't kill the ships attacking it right away(as it has very little tank, mostly cap rechargers and cpr's, I fit a plate and dcu also). Of course you can add more tank to the geddon, and I also have a large remote rep on the mega for these instances. With 6 Large Remote reps you will tank the heaviest missions out there and WAY over tank most of them. The key to being successful is keeping the mega alive till he grabs all the aggro and the geddon can warp in. Depending on the amount of initial dps from the mission and how close the ships are to the warp in point, this time can get rather hairy, so I try and make sure the geddon is at the closest point in the system and aligned to the mission pocket(by watching the direction that the megathron warps in). This is how I do lvl5's, you can substitute your own ships/setups as you please.
Hellinthose	Posted - 2008.12.18 11:25:00 - [22] Edited by: Hellinthose on 18/12/2008 11:27:11 Originally by: AureuSZ I was thinking of a setup for lvl 5 missions : This works pretty well with ravens: [Raven, mission] Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Invulnerability Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Invulnerability Field II Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I what do you think ? I can only say that you have a massive amount of lost resistance on that Raven. Keep in mind for every resistance module of the same type you get an increased penalty; effectively making those 4th and 5th resists almost useless. If you only have 2 dmg types to worry about (often not the case in V's) use 3 m/spec types. If all types, use 1 for your lowest value (EM for Ravens) and two invuln for full coverage. Those extra slots are better used for Boost Amps and Cap Boosters if you really need that much tank with Logistics ships in play. Then there is the issue of Neuting towers, in which your active tank will be wtf pwnd. Make sure to take these out first if you are going to be Active Tanking.
Jelosavich	Posted - 2008.12.19 00:12:00 - [23] Originally by: Kazami Kozura Remember, thist lvl5 are in lowsec, No, level 5 AGENTS are in low-sec. This is quite the difference.
Ares Helix Gallente NunyaBizzness Event Horizon.	Posted - 2008.12.19 00:34:00 - [24] All that's needed to run level 5's well: DPS ship fitted with a passive tank (if your weapons use no cap then you're set) Logistics ship. That's it. Take out any Neut towers as number 1 priority. Have fun.
Jelosavich	Posted - 2008.12.19 20:18:00 - [25] Originally by: Ares Helix All that's needed to run level 5's well: DPS ship fitted with a passive tank (if your weapons use no cap then you're set) Logistics ship. That's it. Take out any Neut towers as number 1 priority. Have fun. Except that if you're in a passive setup you have no reason to take out neuts. I don't even bother with them the entire time, considering they have a very, very large amount of HP and give you no reward at all.

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