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Atari Sakura Minmatar INTERNET HARBLRAGE	Posted - 2008.12.13 22:44:00 - [1] I know most of us are sci-fi nerds or else we wouldn't be on a internet spaceships forum. What do you think the most likely future for humanity is based on what you've seen/read/played? Personally I think our society will either turn into a society like The Culture from the novels of Iain M. Banks, or be absorbed into a culture like theirs that discovers us. --- This forum is problematic. Desu Sigs
Arianhod	Posted - 2008.12.13 22:47:00 - [2] Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.13 22:52:00 - [3] The only way the world could go -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
MooKids Caldari Dark Echo Engineering	Posted - 2008.12.14 00:08:00 - [4] Originally by: Dantes Revenge The only way the world could go Or better yet, someone will discover the true purpose of the universe. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2008.12.14 00:12:00 - [5] Humans have a history of violence. I predict in the distant future aliens will visit our planet, discover we killed each other and essentially, finished ourselves off. We shall be known as the primitive suicidal species. Voluntold, New Webcomic
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2008.12.14 00:30:00 - [6] i think it would be awesome if we evolved into a Star Trek OR Star Wars type universe, i could live in either one to be honest Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.14 01:30:00 - [7] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i think it would be awesome if we evolved into a Star Trek OR Star Wars type universe, i could live in either one to be honest So say we all. However, unless someone manages to perfect cryogenic suspension, I doubt we'll ever live to see it. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
P'uck	Posted - 2008.12.14 02:25:00 - [8] Edited by: P''uck on 14/12/2008 02:25:07 I think we'll succumb to greed. (edit: and then nothing, just scorched earth and ****roaches) Other than that, maybe some of the stuff leary predicted... like... well... actually some sort of borglike collective only existing in a big computer, i just hope it wont be an apple, their design makes my ego look fat.
Madius	Posted - 2008.12.14 02:53:00 - [9] Well, if humanity doesn't mature as a whole there might not be much of a future to look forward to. I do remain optimistic about it, though. Also, I have to wonder at the idea that we're comparatively violent or primitive or the like... compared to what, exactly? We're the only sapient species we know of. It might be comforting to think that there could be "daddy aliens" out in the universe to protect and guide us, but there's also the chance we're alone (or at the top) and have to take care of ourselves.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.14 06:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Madius Well, if humanity doesn't mature as a whole there might not be much of a future to look forward to. I do remain optimistic about it, though. Also, I have to wonder at the idea that we're comparatively violent or primitive or the like... compared to what, exactly? We're the only sapient species we know of. It might be comforting to think that there could be "daddy aliens" out in the universe to protect and guide us, but there's also the chance we're alone (or at the top) and have to take care of ourselves. This raises a point that I've seen Clarke poke fun at: the idea that any sufficiently advanced species that could travel between stars would have to be peaceful and benevolent. Why? Why can't warlike species be advanced as well? A totalitarian, war-focused species could focus its resources on conquering space. So we could end up being screwed no matter what. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council.	Posted - 2008.12.14 07:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i think it would be awesome if we evolved into a Star Trek OR Star Wars type universe, i could live in either one to be honest So say we all. However, unless someone manages to perfect cryogenic suspension, I doubt we'll ever live to see it. OPTIMISM PEOPLE! ! ! Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Atomos Darksun Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.14 07:11:00 - [12] Battlestar Galactica. But only if I survive the whole series - considering 99.99% of the population dies in the first 10 minutes of the show, and over 1/5 of the remainder dies throughout the series. But TBH, a sentient self improving machine is supposed to be invented by 2036, by current calculations of technological advancement. I don't believe that takes into account the various jumps in technology we've had in the past. (Read: Microprocessor). At that point we're SCREWED. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
Ka Jolo The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.14 07:27:00 - [13] The Lord returns. Bad people are punished by being exiled somewhere where they can't mess things up. God's children are taken with him into the heavens, where everyone has a great time, masters new technologies, and gets to do things with real purpose.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.12.14 08:34:00 - [14] i'm going to go with either: A) post apocalyptic fallout world like Roadwarrior. Except all the gas has dried up (no cars all over the ****ing place). Eventually a kid's crank music box becomes a shocking technological find. B) science attempts to overcome all our shortcomings and eventually an AI takes over (first our chores, then our planet). See: matrix / backstory to dune / etcetcetc. (They either kill us off or enslave us, not that we should worry, most of us will die in the first wave) ---------- Seasons Greetings and have a Happy Alvis Time
Irish Whiskey Caldari Warped Mining	Posted - 2008.12.14 09:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Ka Jolo where everyone has a great time, masters new technologies great time as in getting laid? new technologies as in robots? if heaven has sex robots i really need to get on that wagon.
Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.12.14 10:09:00 - [16] I believe that fundamentally the human race is too selfish to let itself die out - we will persevere whatever the cost, but the cost for the developed nations to survive may be too high for us to have any conscience left, i.e. reverting to Darwinism, ceasing aid to the LEDW in the coming times and letting the LEDCs duke it out between each other for a few years while we use our enormous, highly professional and well armed militaries to guard our and our allies borders - such as deploying the US Army to lock down the Mexican border or the EU battlegroups and navies to lock down the EU side of the Mediterranean and the Eastern borders. I fear this is the most likely future, but I wish it was not so. However, the kind of future I would like to see are those proposed by Peter F. Hamilton in his works - where in the next 30-50 years a technological singularity or major breakthrough permits us to expand across the Galaxy with wild abandon, providing unlimited resources and trash worlds. It may not be a healthy pattern of expansion on one planet, but there's enough resources in the Solar System alone, let alone the Galaxy, to support an incredibly long stretch of human expansion. I think AI and/or Fusion power are likely to be the major breakthroughs that we need - fusion shuttles with a technically unlimited range and much faster speeds than the to-be-retired shuttles of our era could certainly make space expansion a lot more feasible.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.14 10:42:00 - [17] Originally by: HankMurphy i'm going to go with either: A) post apocalyptic fallout world like Roadwarrior. Except all the gas has dried up (no cars all over the ****ing place). Eventually a kid's crank music box becomes a shocking technological find. B) science attempts to overcome all our shortcomings and eventually an AI takes over (first our chores, then our planet). See: matrix / backstory to dune / etcetcetc. (They either kill us off or enslave us, not that we should worry, most of us will die in the first wave) Pretty much B, Hay blame the Japanese! Man will be merged with machine. the human body can only support itself for xxx numbers of years. But the human mind if correctly looked after out of its body can live a VERY long time. If you really want to know were this world is going you better keep tabs on the news and science articals of the next 5000 days. Do not believe me? i can start a new thread with large amount of detail and new sources. And on the note of machine killing man. its happened already many of times, it just was sentient. Accidents from machines (CNC etc) happen alot and people do die. But its always due to human error. -------------------------------------------
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.14 10:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Atomos Darksun Battlestar Galactica. But only if I survive the whole series - considering 99.99% of the population dies in the first 10 minutes of the show, and over 1/5 of the remainder dies throughout the series. But TBH, a sentient self improving machine is supposed to be invented by 2036, by current calculations of technological advancement. I don't believe that takes into account the various jumps in technology we've had in the past. (Read: Microprocessor). At that point we're SCREWED. Ding ding. IBM is already working on it, and was also proposed at the TED convention. -------------------------------------------
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.14 10:46:00 - [19] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i think it would be awesome if we evolved into a Star Trek OR Star Wars type universe, i could live in either one to be honest So say we all. However, unless someone manages to perfect cryogenic suspension, I doubt we'll ever live to see it. OPTIMISM PEOPLE! ! ! Then why limit yourself to your body? why is everyone obsessed with limiting them selfs to flesh and bone when you can surpass that?? Sure you could keep it until you have raised a family etc but once you hit a certain age you should be ported. we have the technology already. -------------------------------------------
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2008.12.14 11:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Shanzem once you hit a certain age you should be ported. we have the technology already. orly_owl.jpg ____________________
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.14 12:01:00 - [21] Edited by: Shanzem on 14/12/2008 12:05:51 Edited by: Shanzem on 14/12/2008 12:03:07 Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Shanzem once you hit a certain age you should be ported. we have the technology already. orly_owl.jpg Well yeah. neurosky for control without any contact with the brain do a good read up its awesome stuff. Brain: wiki for power consumption End of the day, your sensory organs could be removed and artificially kept alive by a machine. your eyes and ears are the most important. those are very difficult to recreate we can already create artificial lungs, hearts livers etc in plastic. they have been tried and tested and work. then its just a matter of designed a system or flow control to move required chemicals etc around the brain. you onsume food for chemicals that your blood moves around your body. to your brain ETC in fact i bet if i put my brain to it i could come up with a small invention or atleast a step closer to you understanding what i mean. ok limmie grab a coffee and load slashdot up i will grab you all the news sources aswell we technically on a very basic level can use the brain for control and read dreams. -------------------------------------------
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.12.14 12:53:00 - [22] oh man i almost forgot my personal favorite: Death by Grey goooooo ---------- Seasons Greetings and have a Happy Alvis Time
Mary Makepeace Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.14 12:56:00 - [23] I personal would love The Banks like Culture society however i think things are more likely to go the Stross Transhuman/post-scarcity model as seen in Accelarando, (bring on our saviors, the space lobsters) and the solar system being turned into a Dison sphere of non-linear computational cantor dust.
Szent AdamKiraly Banana.	Posted - 2008.12.14 13:06:00 - [24] I we turned into the culture i would eat my hat. Would be so awesome though.
Davina Braben	Posted - 2008.12.14 15:35:00 - [25] None of the above. It'll be the same old, same old but higher tech.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.12.14 15:56:00 - [26] Originally by: Arianhod On a more serious note - Alastair Reynolds. History rhymes on a bigger scale, Moon colonized, solar system colonized, blood bath ensues. People recover after war much more advanced than they would have been given a century of peaceful progression but don't want to admit that from a technical point of view they came out the war better off than they went in. People recover, peace ensues and they expand. That has happened on Earth for god knows how long on ever larger scales and if we would be deluding ourselves if we thought otherwise for the next few centuries at least. Mankind is driven and inspired by conflict and competition. the reason we saw such massive leaps in technology during the 20th century boils down to the fact that we had two huge wars, and nearly a third one. I can't imagine that pattern being broken any time soon. Still, it's a safe bet that any future colonization beyond our planet will be defined (at least at first) by primarily Western cultures, meaning democracies, and democracies don't war with each other, as a rule. It's only ever happened once, in fact, due to one of the countries involved being obligated to assist an allied nation that was at war with the other. Nobody actually fired a single shot. What that means is that mankind's space colonies (I'm convinced they will happen) will most likely eventually become sovereign territories of their own with democratic systems of government. Off of Earth, you probably wouldn't see much in the way of warfare and if you did, it'd mostly involve unmanned vehicles. - Captain Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.14 16:02:00 - [27] Well I tend a bit toward either the firefly variant or falloutishness. Either we start terraforming , colonizing and spreading out among the stars with the earth & the first few colonies being rich and technologicly advanced while the frontier are semilow tech stuff to be exploited for resources or WW3 with very few survivors :) "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
Arianhod	Posted - 2008.12.14 16:08:00 - [28] Hmm... with the colonies, I suspect that they will not be sovereign entities in and of themselves, but an expansion of the existing entities. Taking the USA and EU as main examples, make a cluster of Colonies then admit them to Washington/Brussels respectively as member states. Space colonization will occur only when NASA/ESA get down and build an orbital elevator or one of them has the balls to build a nuclear powered rocket. Till then it's a pipe dream. I can't see India or China doing it anytime soon. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.12.14 16:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Arianhod I can't see India or China doing it anytime soon. if there were a clear and urgent NEED for space colonization, i wouldn't count china out they have MASSIVE potential ---------- Seasons Greetings and have a Happy Alvis Time
Arianhod	Posted - 2008.12.14 16:23:00 - [30] Originally by: HankMurphy Originally by: Arianhod I can't see India or China doing it anytime soon. if there were a clear and urgent NEED for space colonization, i wouldn't count china out they have MASSIVE potential Oh they need it the most, but I doubt they can. The amount of resources needed to build an Elevator is staggering but the EU and USA could finance one between them if they wanted and probably one each. The difference is that we have the technological expertise to build them in the near future given our investment into carbon nano tubing. I am increasingly skeptical as to just how powerful China is as the economic incidents occur. That and China has problems building crap we ask them to design that we build, I can't see them solving carbon nanotube manufacturing and a heavy lift veichle to get the payload to GSO.... That said NASA ****ed up epicly with the Shuttle. Sure it looks nice and it's a nice soundbite that they have a "reusable" craft, but the correct term should be "mostly salvageable". Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008

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