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Xanos Blackpaw Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.12.14 14:36:00 - [1] i used to love my bomber. now it just suck. anyway...that said...i like the idea to be able to fire citadel torps. maybe give us some bonus so we hit battleships(400+?) for full damage? in that case a taskforce from a few AFs and a few bombers could take down a soloing carrier. AFs tackle and take out drones and fighters while the bombers run bombing runns...move in close while cloaked and fire your 3 cit torps. then cloak and reload while you move away before moving in for another bombing run. this is what i think AFs and bombers should be used for!! Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi".
Supermode Caldari Tides of Silence	Posted - 2008.12.14 14:49:00 - [2] Citadel Torp launchers are the size of frigates. They're gonna be a 'tight' fit on a SB... -----------------------------------------
Wideen Warped Mining	Posted - 2008.12.14 14:55:00 - [3] Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw i used to love my bomber. now it just suck. anyway...that said...i like the idea to be able to fire citadel torps. maybe give us some bonus so we hit battleships(400+?) for full damage? in that case a taskforce from a few AFs and a few bombers could take down a soloing carrier. AFs tackle and take out drones and fighters while the bombers run bombing runns...move in close while cloaked and fire your 3 cit torps. then cloak and reload while you move away before moving in for another bombing run. this is what i think AFs and bombers should be used for!! yeah let's enable a small group of 10 mill ships to take down a +800m capital ship!
Xanos Blackpaw Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.12.14 14:58:00 - [4] Originally by: Wideen Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw i used to love my bomber. now it just suck. anyway...that said...i like the idea to be able to fire citadel torps. maybe give us some bonus so we hit battleships(400+?) for full damage? in that case a taskforce from a few AFs and a few bombers could take down a soloing carrier. AFs tackle and take out drones and fighters while the bombers run bombing runns...move in close while cloaked and fire your 3 cit torps. then cloak and reload while you move away before moving in for another bombing run. this is what i think AFs and bombers should be used for!! yeah let's enable a small group of 10 mill ships to take down a +800m capital ship! ...if you are stupid enough to fly said 800+ mil ship solo you deserve to die! Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi".
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.14 15:07:00 - [5] Hell, why stop there? Let them fit doomsday devices
Wideen Warped Mining	Posted - 2008.12.14 15:34:00 - [6] Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Originally by: Wideen Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw i used to love my bomber. now it just suck. anyway...that said...i like the idea to be able to fire citadel torps. maybe give us some bonus so we hit battleships(400+?) for full damage? in that case a taskforce from a few AFs and a few bombers could take down a soloing carrier. AFs tackle and take out drones and fighters while the bombers run bombing runns...move in close while cloaked and fire your 3 cit torps. then cloak and reload while you move away before moving in for another bombing run. this is what i think AFs and bombers should be used for!! yeah let's enable a small group of 10 mill ships to take down a +800m capital ship! ...if you are stupid enough to fly said 800+ mil ship solo you deserve to die! good argument but I think I'll pass. No honestly, I'll pass.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.14 15:35:00 - [7] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 14/12/2008 15:35:27 Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw i used to love my bomber. now it just suck. anyway...that said...i like the idea to be able to fire citadel torps. maybe give us some bonus so we hit battleships(400+?) for full damage? in that case a taskforce from a few AFs and a few bombers could take down a soloing carrier. AFs tackle and take out drones and fighters while the bombers run bombing runns...move in close while cloaked and fire your 3 cit torps. then cloak and reload while you move away before moving in for another bombing run. this is what i think AFs and bombers should be used for!! Torpedos wiht a range boost I could have bought. Citadel torpedos is just silly. Stealth bombers are not the be all end all combat thing. They have one role, to take out frigs and cruisers and other small stuf, or to swarm BS's. Not solo pwn everyhitng
MITSUK0	Posted - 2008.12.14 15:50:00 - [8] I like how people think they have a role as anti support small ship killers. Protip: They suck at that just as hard as they suck at everything else, have killed them in rifters ffs. Give them enough fitting to match T1 frig tanks and let them use cov-ops cloaks. At least they would be fun to fly.
Katy Karkinoff Minmatar Psycho Chicks	Posted - 2008.12.14 18:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw i used to love my bomber. now it just suck. anyway...that said...i like the idea to be able to fire citadel torps. maybe give us some bonus so we hit battleships(400+?) for full damage? in that case a taskforce from a few AFs and a few bombers could take down a soloing carrier. AFs tackle and take out drones and fighters while the bombers run bombing runns...move in close while cloaked and fire your 3 cit torps. then cloak and reload while you move away before moving in for another bombing run. this is what i think AFs and bombers should be used for!! Lol you haven't flown a bomber have you? Fire and cloak... fail... Also, cloak and reload? you cant reload while cloaked. Also, citadel torps expl rad and vel would take a HUGE bonus to hit anything BUT a capital. Using frigs to take down caps is the stupidest thing i've ever heard.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.12.14 18:09:00 - [10] Bombers are awesome , i always like to shoot at them when fling an eagle , they usually dont last more than 20secs :P
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.14 18:09:00 - [11] Well give them citadels then give them a 18% reduction in expl radius and a 50% increase in exp velocity per level :) Should make em work splendidly. "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
Aoa Lux Caldari Tama Defense Network	Posted - 2008.12.14 18:56:00 - [12] I think all the stupidity in this topic has given me an aneurysm.
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.14 19:02:00 - [13] Citadel torps are a bit much.... I mean a group of cloaking vessels capable to make bses/carriers go ouch whilst being far out of their range? Thats kinda like beating a dead horse(large ship solo pvp)
Enden Assulu Caldari JinTech Industries Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.12.14 19:03:00 - [14] IMO it is missing a siege module and the ability to fit a capital shield booster :/ That way it could take down a MOM, which would ofc not be OP Why would you let a frigate fit its self like a dreadnaought?
Neyro7830 Gallente Stormfront A.W. Stormfront J.U.N.T.A.	Posted - 2008.12.14 19:06:00 - [15] Just give it a small bonus to reduce the enemies speed in the damage calculation... if that makes sense >_> Although TBH SB are fine right now... at least.. mine is. 3x Limos Cruise w/ CN Cataclysms (don't need to spend uber cash for Arbies... makes this ship somewhat disposable unrigged ) 1 Improved Cloak 2 2 SeBos unscripted (range and targetting speed scripts in the hold) 1 PWNGE Painter 1 Damp w/ Range script 1 BC2 1 Co-Proc 2 (don't need t2 co-proc if you have better fitting skills than me) Rigs are w/e... Flare and Rigor Catalyst on mine... This is a Nemesis btw. ___ I cannot be held responsible for the above post, because apparently,my cat has learned to type. :3
The Vixen	Posted - 2008.12.14 19:42:00 - [16] New OP, SAME ol' post. I could understand giving them another launcher hardpoint or cutting prices on bombs, but that's about it.
Neyro7830 Gallente Stormfront A.W. Stormfront J.U.N.T.A.	Posted - 2008.12.15 01:08:00 - [17] Originally by: The Vixen another launcher hardpoint Where have you been all my life ___ I cannot be held responsible for the above post, because apparently,my cat has learned to type. :3
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.15 01:24:00 - [18] Originally by: Neyro7830 Just give it a small bonus to reduce the enemies speed in the damage calculation... if that makes sense >_> Although TBH SB are fine right now... at least.. mine is. 3x Limos Cruise w/ CN Cataclysms (don't need to spend uber cash for Arbies... makes this ship somewhat disposable unrigged ) 1 Improved Cloak 2 2 SeBos unscripted (range and targetting speed scripts in the hold) 1 PWNGE Painter 1 Damp w/ Range script 1 BC2 1 Co-Proc 2 (don't need t2 co-proc if you have better fitting skills than me) Rigs are w/e... Flare and Rigor Catalyst on mine... This is a Nemesis btw. Hehe, arbys are cheap ^^, and you use a T2 cloak so noisk really saced, might as well go for arbys.
Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2008.12.15 01:30:00 - [19] I'll pass too. Bombers don't need to be able to shoot citadel torps. All they need is an explosion velocity bonus so they can function as frig killers again, which was all they were ever good at. ... besides, I've said all I'm going to say. You're reading my sig now! Bwa! -
Neyro7830 Gallente Stormfront A.W. Stormfront J.U.N.T.A.	Posted - 2008.12.15 01:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Neyro7830 Just give it a small bonus to reduce the enemies speed in the damage calculation... if that makes sense >_> Although TBH SB are fine right now... at least.. mine is. 3x Limos Cruise w/ CN Cataclysms (don't need to spend uber cash for Arbies... makes this ship somewhat disposable unrigged ) 1 Improved Cloak 2 2 SeBos unscripted (range and targetting speed scripts in the hold) 1 PWNGE Painter 1 Damp w/ Range script 1 BC2 1 Co-Proc 2 (don't need t2 co-proc if you have better fitting skills than me) Rigs are w/e... Flare and Rigor Catalyst on mine... This is a Nemesis btw. Hehe, arbys are cheap ^^, and you use a T2 cloak so noisk really saced, might as well go for arbys. 4m a pop in my region, I'm not made of isk! >_< cloak is only 6m ___ I cannot be held responsible for the above post, because apparently,my cat has learned to type. :3
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.15 01:34:00 - [21] Originally by: Neyro7830 Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Neyro7830 Just give it a small bonus to reduce the enemies speed in the damage calculation... if that makes sense >_> Although TBH SB are fine right now... at least.. mine is. 3x Limos Cruise w/ CN Cataclysms (don't need to spend uber cash for Arbies... makes this ship somewhat disposable unrigged ) 1 Improved Cloak 2 2 SeBos unscripted (range and targetting speed scripts in the hold) 1 PWNGE Painter 1 Damp w/ Range script 1 BC2 1 Co-Proc 2 (don't need t2 co-proc if you have better fitting skills than me) Rigs are w/e... Flare and Rigor Catalyst on mine... This is a Nemesis btw. Hehe, arbys are cheap ^^, and you use a T2 cloak so noisk really saced, might as well go for arbys. 4m a pop in my region, I'm not made of isk! >_< cloak is only 6m They are around 3 where I am ^^. Still tho, a SB that get caught is doing ti wrong ;). But I pay the isk I need to get my shis as good as I can, within reason. :P
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.15 04:01:00 - [22] Why not? Because citadel torps would be a nerf to bombers. Your damage increases, but the HP of your new targets increases much more. Against battleships, bombers would be worthless without overwhelming numbers, and if you have those, you can win with ANY ship. Oh, and the reason citadel torps are awesome? Siege mod. Without one, they suck. -----------
BiggestT Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.12.15 15:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Why not? Because citadel torps would be a nerf to bombers. Your damage increases, but the HP of your new targets increases much more. Against battleships, bombers would be worthless without overwhelming numbers, and if you have those, you can win with ANY ship. Oh, and the reason citadel torps are awesome? Siege mod. Without one, they suck. Yep, the stealth bomber wld be even more bin-worthy than it is now (hard to believe). Giving a frig slow torps that do jack all damage to anything sub-cap (and still bugger all to caps) would simply extrapolate the current issues with the sb (have to stay on grid for missiles to hit, lack of insta-dmg, still relatively ineffective at shooting smaller ships etc). EVE history t2 precisions
Seragon Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.12.15 19:14:00 - [24] A phoenix out of siege does 550 dps with rifts and 450 dps with anything else. That's with 3 BCS II's, all 5's in skills, and A full tech 2 fit manticore can do 295 dps with maxed skills and fury cruise. Now, take the painful damage reduction into consideration, and any ship battleship sized or smaller will be taking at least half damage from the phoenix. Plus... if those ships are moving, you're doing even less. So in the end, a single stealth bomber with cruises will out damage a phoenix with citadels. Even then, all damage reduction ignored, two stealth bombers with cruises will still out damage a phoenix. Unless, of course, the phoenix is sieged and firing at something really really big and not moving.
Commander Thrawn Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.15 19:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Matrix Skye Hell, why stop there? Let them fit doomsday devices I like this idea.. no really I'm being serious... really
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2008.12.15 20:00:00 - [26] Lets give them able to go into Siege too!!! Whats more fierce than 100 stealth bombers uncloaking and going into siege right before your eyes!?!! Though Citadel torp stealth bombers would be an interesting way to shoot high sec POSes *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Todoshi Caldari Caldari Logistics and Supplies	Posted - 2008.12.18 09:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Commander Thrawn Originally by: Matrix Skye Hell, why stop there? Let them fit doomsday devices I like this idea.. no really I'm being serious... really This Ghost Training Removed Thread
DjLowballer Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Commander Thrawn Originally by: Matrix Skye Hell, why stop there? Let them fit doomsday devices I like this idea.. no really I'm being serious... really You're in my brains reading my mind. This was my first thought. But why stop there? Since Stealth bombers were born ******ed might as well mega boost them. I propose at lvl V covertops, a squadren of bombers can activate an ability and form Voltron. Forces group play, gives bombers an awesome role, and forces players to spend more time training and subbed. Please Vote DjLowballer as your delegate to the CSM!
Apoctasy Fluffy Muffins	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Matrix Skye Hell, why stop there? Let them fit doomsday devices Hell, why stop there? Let them fit nerf bats!
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:45:00 - [30] Edited by: Janu Hull on 18/12/2008 19:45:26 Serious post is serious: What about allowing battleship torpedoes on Stealth Bombers? I mean, its common knowledge that cruise missiles are pretty fail in PvP, so why force a nominally PvP ship to deal with them as a "bonus"? Their alternative weapon at the moment is one that requires them to practically sit right on top of their intended target, which negates the point of their primary weapon system's extended range. If SB's are meant to punch hard at close range, why not make them properly set up for it. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.

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