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Breaky Uzumaki
Caldari The Greater Moon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Breaky Uzumaki on 14/12/2008 22:02:46 Edited by: Breaky Uzumaki on 14/12/2008 22:01:58
Originally by: Lunas Whisper
Originally by: Breaky Uzumaki
Originally by: Reverand Pastor quote]
When lives are taken civility needs no mention.
Either im being trolled or you are so far out of touch with reality it isnt even funny. Your lives taken/no civilization phrase is almost laughable as your are either
A. A citizen of the US a country whose very fabric and corp is FOUNDED on bloodshed. or
B. A citizen whose apart of the world whose fabric was found on conflict.
Your arguments could be valid if they werent dripping with a absolute disassociation of the past 10,000 years and the next 10,000 now hurry up the dragon queen needs to be saved. Gl and god speed
I'm glad you can justify the shedding of blood. It must help you sleep at night not to care about the hundreds of innocents slaughtered every minute. I know if I murdered as part of my profession I would have to make such rationalizations myself so I could sleep at night.
Sigh.
That whole theory has been discredited. Most of the innocents slaughtered have not been by the U.S. but by the insurgents who are not of Iraqui origin.
I first heard of the debunking of the lancet study by reading an article in the london times. http://www.markhumphrys.com/iraq.dead.html#lancet
Where were the insurgents when ******* was in power?
Husse1n is filtered, odd.
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Faekurias
Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:02:00 -
[62]
Originally by: XxHey BabyxX
Originally by: Faekurias
You'll haveto try better than that.
Besides: So not doing military service = Coward then is it? So you aren't a pacifist? You want to go shoot people? That's cool, isn't it?
Yes. I'm not a pacifist. Was in the military myself.
But if something isn't right, you can say it.
There is nothing honorable in Irak/afganistan/Grenada or Vietnam.
Most of the times you fight as the Technology Supirior Army against militians (untrained, most are angry civilians), or resistants, which want you out of "THEIR" country.
Show me where is the right in Irak/Afganistan.
Since you keep referring to me, here is some parts of text I think you missed: "Edit: Seriously though, where did I say I support war? I don't. I'm not defending actions and events done by any or all military personnel. The only thing I'm saying is that bashing your own Army won't do any good. Don't want your army to do what they do? Get out of your basement and protest. I protested against my country's involvement in the war. Minor that it is/Was." ------------------ Recruiting..
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Lunas Whisper
Minmatar The Centurions
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:07:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Breaky Uzumaki Edited by: Breaky Uzumaki on 14/12/2008 22:02:46 Edited by: Breaky Uzumaki on 14/12/2008 22:01:58
Originally by: Lunas Whisper
Originally by: Breaky Uzumaki
Originally by: Reverand Pastor quote]
When lives are taken civility needs no mention.
Either im being trolled or you are so far out of touch with reality it isnt even funny. Your lives taken/no civilization phrase is almost laughable as your are either
A. A citizen of the US a country whose very fabric and corp is FOUNDED on bloodshed. or
B. A citizen whose apart of the world whose fabric was found on conflict.
Your arguments could be valid if they werent dripping with a absolute disassociation of the past 10,000 years and the next 10,000 now hurry up the dragon queen needs to be saved. Gl and god speed
I'm glad you can justify the shedding of blood. It must help you sleep at night not to care about the hundreds of innocents slaughtered every minute. I know if I murdered as part of my profession I would have to make such rationalizations myself so I could sleep at night.
Sigh.
That whole theory has been discredited. Most of the innocents slaughtered have not been by the U.S. but by the insurgents who are not of Iraqui origin.
I first heard of the debunking of the lancet study by reading an article in the london times. http://www.markhumphrys.com/iraq.dead.html#lancet
Where were the insurgents when ******* was in power?
Husse1n is filtered, odd.
Anyone who opposed him, was likely in a prison being tortured or watching his or her family tortued. Or you could ask the Kurds who saw their love ones get gassed.
However, if you take some time and listen to some of the military people, you will find that one of ******'s plans was to start an insurgency. That worked. Others came in via Iran, and the surrounding countries. If you look deep, you might even find out that some of the insurgents are being fundedy by Iran.
Try Michael Yon. United we stand, divided we fall. |
Breaky Uzumaki
Caldari The Greater Moon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:09:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Lunas Whisper
Anyone who opposed him, was likely in a prison being tortured or watching his or her family tortued. Or you could ask the Kurds who saw their love ones get gassed.
So nothing has changed for the average Iraqi, except now a white man holds the gun?
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Kyle Semones
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:10:00 -
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Categorizing all marines as murderers is the same as saying every Islamic believer is a terrorist.
Sure, Marines have murdered. And likelihood is they were brought to justice about it. Does that mean all Marines are murderers? No.
You think we want to go to Iraq (besides the nice pay) ? Not really. We want out just as bad as the Iraqi's want us out.
But for instance just recently 30 Marines were attacked by 250 members of one or another terrorist groups, now, would you want to fight those guys ;who believe anyone who is not for Islam deserves to die; on American or English or Indian soil, or take the fight right to their doorstep ?
Now thanks for derailing this post. But you yourself have the same mindset modern terrorists have, you fill your heart with hate against 'Americans' and protest them. Granted your protesting isn't with high explosives tied on going into a market and blowing up civilians.
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Reverand Pastor
Caldari Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:10:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Breaky Uzumaki
Originally by: Reverand Pastor
Ok it was fun but your just not trying anymore. I could blow that up into a million pieces about turning a blind eye. Guilt by association, he who is without sin etc. but ill let you figure it out. Now i need you to come back with some substance on this lovely sunday afternoon or i will be forced to not respond and move on to next troll. You have 5 minutes...
If I could line item allocate my taxes to ensure that never a penny of my money would support a group of aggressors then I would. I am only guilty by association because the tyranny of the system I live in. I am forced to pay for my 'freedom' by paying people who 'defend' it.
A fine system indeed. Land of the free only if you do what they say.
I am confirming that you do have to pay taxes. I am also confirming that you are stuck in this tyrannical/gestapo society that prevents you from going anywhere or taking action, Protesting, petioitoning. Heck even running for a office is not permettied and I am sulking along with you. Please save me Tom Cruise!!
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Flow Befort
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:11:00 -
[67]
holy **** ford, that's some of your best yet, post somewhere in gf dot com so I can rep you thanks
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Reverand Pastor
Caldari Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:14:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Flow Befort holy **** ford, that's some of your best yet, post somewhere in gf dot com so I can rep you thanks
No need we established the troll awhile back. I think most are having giggles for the sake of it. So if im egging on to did i become the troller?
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Fraud Crawler
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:15:00 -
[69]
Oh look, more right-wing talking points. How about listening to someone who lived in Iraq? Someone who was forced to leave because of what the Americans did to us?
You can find maybe ten Iraqis who think the US should stay in Iraq. Everyone else wants them to leave. The Americans come and all the foreigners flood in to kill them, and instigate a civil war at the same time. Then the Americans get angry and shoot Iraqis, too. When they are done, they put weapons on the bodies and call them terrorists. You think it's a lie?
I was lucky. I was affluent and educated enough to leave. Too bad for the poor who get killed by foreigners, insurgents, and Americans every day. And all this because America wanted our oil. Why else would they attack?
You Marines are enablers. You joined and let this happen. You could have left. You would have faced court martial but you would have your honor. Now you have no honor, and blood on your hands. Congratulations.
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Breaky Uzumaki
Caldari The Greater Moon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:15:00 -
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Unfortunately this topic is a little more serious than pixels on a screen.
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Lunas Whisper
Minmatar The Centurions
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:18:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Breaky Uzumaki
Originally by: Lunas Whisper
Anyone who opposed him, was likely in a prison being tortured or watching his or her family tortued. Or you could ask the Kurds who saw their love ones get gassed.
So nothing has changed for the average Iraqi, except now a white man holds the gun?
Actually you would be wrong.
They vote in their leaders, some of them risking their life. Falluja is now a place that is safer then Detroit. United we stand, divided we fall. |
Fraud Crawler
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:18:00 -
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The only Marines who join are the s****of American society - either uneducated hicks tricked into hating Arabs, or men who do not care about who they kill as long as it gets them college credit. They have no honor and one day I hope they experience 1/10th as much suffering as they caused.
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Reverand Pastor
Caldari Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Fraud Crawler The only Marines who join are the s****of American society - either uneducated hicks tricked into hating Arabs, or men who do not care about who they kill as long as it gets them college credit. They have no honor and one day I hope they experience 1/10th as much suffering as they caused.
Confirming for every 10 iraqis killed you get 1/2 credit in PE class and 50% of any value meal at mcdonalds
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Breaky Uzumaki
Caldari The Greater Moon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:20:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Lunas Whisper
Originally by: Breaky Uzumaki
Originally by: Lunas Whisper
Anyone who opposed him, was likely in a prison being tortured or watching his or her family tortued. Or you could ask the Kurds who saw their love ones get gassed.
So nothing has changed for the average Iraqi, except now a white man holds the gun?
Actually you would be wrong.
They vote in their leaders, some of them risking their life. Falluja is now a place that is safer then Detroit.
We've traded their lives away so they can vote. I hope they are thankful.
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Kyle Semones
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:21:00 -
[75]
Well Fraud, all you have to do is pick up a rifle and shoot at US Military because you harbor hate, and you can officially be a terrorist.
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Fraud Crawler
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:24:00 -
[76]
The only Iraqis who don't harbor hate for the Americans are the profiteers. How would you feel if your life was destroyed?
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Whosyour Daddy
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Semones Well Fraud, all you have to do is pick up a rifle and shoot at US Military because you harbor hate, and you can officially be a terrorist.
But that would require him leaving his basement and facing the real world!....oh noooooos
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Zubenelgenubi
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:25:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Zubenelgenubi on 14/12/2008 22:32:38
Originally by: Fraud Crawler Edited by: Fraud Crawler on 14/12/2008 22:15:43 Oh look, more right-wing talking points. How about listening to someone who lived in Iraq? Someone who was forced to leave because of what the Americans did to us?
You can find maybe ten Iraqis who think the US should stay in Iraq. Everyone else wants them to leave. The Americans come and all the foreigners flood in to kill them, and instigate a civil war at the same time. Then the Americans get angry and shoot Iraqis, too. When they are done, they put weapons on the bodies and call them terrorists. You think it's a lie? Every Iraqi has seen it happen.
I was lucky. I was affluent and educated enough to leave. Too bad for the poor who get killed by foreigners, insurgents, and Americans every day. And all this because America wanted our oil. Why else would they attack?
You Marines are enablers. You joined and let this happen. You could have left. You would have faced court martial but you would have your honor. Now you have no honor, and blood on your hands. Congratulations.
Good one leaving your country btw.
You are an enabler, you left your country to rot. Your riches and education could enable Iraq to rebuild faster. The blood of your countrymen is on your hands.
You prattle on at brave soldiers who leave their homes to help others thousands of miles away when you turn your back on your own home?
Originally by: Fraud Crawler The only Marines who join are the s****of American society - either uneducated hicks tricked into hating Arabs, or men who do not care about who they kill as long as it gets them college credit. They have no honor and one day I hope they experience 1/10th as much suffering as they caused.
*all military personal are stupid, more stupid than fraud crawler*
yeh right.... my brother is in the army and he has an honours degree in molecular chemistry. Goes nice with being an expert in IEDs, having 16 years service and gaining a commission to rank Captain.
You Improvise. You Adapt. You overcome!
Have a plan, Execute it violently Do it now. ~General Douglas MacArthur |
Fraud Crawler
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:26:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Whosyour Daddy
Originally by: Kyle Semones Well Fraud, all you have to do is pick up a rifle and shoot at US Military because you harbor hate, and you can officially be a terrorist.
But that would require him leaving his basement and facing the real world!....oh noooooos
Like any Marine knows what the real world is. They live in Grand Theft Auto: Iraq.
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Namaraa
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:26:00 -
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Can a mod just stop this argument, trolling, flaming, etc.
If you want to discuss politics, there are numerous forums and websites to do so.
If you want to join the channel, do so, if you don't, then don't and stfu.
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Lunas Whisper
Minmatar The Centurions
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Fraud Crawler Edited by: Fraud Crawler on 14/12/2008 22:15:43 Oh look, more right-wing talking points. How about listening to someone who lived in Iraq? Someone who was forced to leave because of what the Americans did to us?
You can find maybe ten Iraqis who think the US should stay in Iraq. Everyone else wants them to leave. The Americans come and all the foreigners flood in to kill them, and instigate a civil war at the same time. Then the Americans get angry and shoot Iraqis, too. When they are done, they put weapons on the bodies and call them terrorists. You think it's a lie? Every Iraqi has seen it happen.
I was lucky. I was affluent and educated enough to leave. Too bad for the poor who get killed by foreigners, insurgents, and Americans every day. And all this because America wanted our oil. Why else would they attack?
You Marines are enablers. You joined and let this happen. You could have left. You would have faced court martial but you would have your honor. Now you have no honor, and blood on your hands. Congratulations.
Yeah right.
You were educated and affluent but no ties to the Baathist regime?
Your educated and still think the war was about oil and believe the lancet study, which has been discrediited. Because if you are knowledgeable about this stuff, you would know the blood of the innocents stuff you are espousing comes from the lancet study.
mmmhmm
Thinks about the Super Bowl add of the Kurds, a few years ago. United we stand, divided we fall. |
Lunas Whisper
Minmatar The Centurions
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Fraud Crawler The only Marines who join are the s****of American society - either uneducated hicks tricked into hating Arabs, or men who do not care about who they kill as long as it gets them college credit. They have no honor and one day I hope they experience 1/10th as much suffering as they caused.
Ahhh I see we are going with the John Kerry argument.
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Fraud Crawler
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:29:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Zubenelgenubi
Originally by: Fraud Crawler Edited by: Fraud Crawler on 14/12/2008 22:15:43 Oh look, more right-wing talking points. How about listening to someone who lived in Iraq? Someone who was forced to leave because of what the Americans did to us?
You can find maybe ten Iraqis who think the US should stay in Iraq. Everyone else wants them to leave. The Americans come and all the foreigners flood in to kill them, and instigate a civil war at the same time. Then the Americans get angry and shoot Iraqis, too. When they are done, they put weapons on the bodies and call them terrorists. You think it's a lie? Every Iraqi has seen it happen.
I was lucky. I was affluent and educated enough to leave. Too bad for the poor who get killed by foreigners, insurgents, and Americans every day. And all this because America wanted our oil. Why else would they attack?
You Marines are enablers. You joined and let this happen. You could have left. You would have faced court martial but you would have your honor. Now you have no honor, and blood on your hands. Congratulations.
Good one leaving your country btw.
You are an enabler, you left your country to rot. Your riches and education could enable Iraq to rebuild faster. The blood of your countrymen is on your hands.
You prattle on at brave soldiers who leave their homes to help others thousands of miles away when you turn your back on your own home?
I love my country, but if I was there now I would be called a collaborator and killed because I learned English and worked for foreign press. I took as many family members with me as I could. A quarter of the remaining are dead, half of those from Marines who supposedly came to "help us."
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Kyle Semones
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:29:00 -
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Well it's not my fault I'm there. We're told to go. And if someone is firing 7.62 rounds at me I'm not going to take the time to ask them why, or try and feel sympathetic towards them, I'm going to return fire.
And I actually have a decent education. And it continues in the Corps. Not to mention the months of schooling I went through for my MOS. Not sure where you got your "uneducated" statement from.
You don't realize how ignorant you sound in a lot of your statements.
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Fraud Crawler
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:30:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Lunas Whisper
Originally by: Fraud Crawler Edited by: Fraud Crawler on 14/12/2008 22:15:43 Oh look, more right-wing talking points. How about listening to someone who lived in Iraq? Someone who was forced to leave because of what the Americans did to us?
You can find maybe ten Iraqis who think the US should stay in Iraq. Everyone else wants them to leave. The Americans come and all the foreigners flood in to kill them, and instigate a civil war at the same time. Then the Americans get angry and shoot Iraqis, too. When they are done, they put weapons on the bodies and call them terrorists. You think it's a lie? Every Iraqi has seen it happen.
I was lucky. I was affluent and educated enough to leave. Too bad for the poor who get killed by foreigners, insurgents, and Americans every day. And all this because America wanted our oil. Why else would they attack?
You Marines are enablers. You joined and let this happen. You could have left. You would have faced court martial but you would have your honor. Now you have no honor, and blood on your hands. Congratulations.
Yeah right.
You were educated and affluent but no ties to the Baathist regime?
Your educated and still think the war was about oil and believe the lancet study, which has been discrediited. Because if you are knowledgeable about this stuff, you would know the blood of the innocents stuff you are espousing comes from the lancet study.
mmmhmm
Thinks about the Super Bowl add of the Kurds, a few years ago.
THE BLOOD OF THE INNOCENTS STUFF COMES FROM THE ****ING MARINES WHO SHOT MY FAMILY.
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Breaky Uzumaki
Caldari The Greater Moon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zubenelgenubi
Good one leaving your country btw.
You are an enabler, you left your country to rot. Your riches and education could enable Iraq to rebuild faster. The blood of your countrymen is on your hands.
You prattle on at brave soldiers who leave their homes to help others thousands of miles away when you turn your back on your own home?
Bravely calling in an airstrike that includes 'acceptable civilian losses' is truly helping others. Im sure the rest of the neighborhood will send a card next christmas for it.
The only bravery left is to stand up and refuse to fight this unjust war.
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Kyle Semones
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Namaraa Can a mod just stop this argument, trolling, flaming, etc.
If you want to discuss politics, there are numerous forums and websites to do so.
If you want to join the channel, do so, if you don't, then don't and stfu.
as he said, join the channel if you want. the only people not allowed are the ones such as fraud that wish to start arguments of something way above all our heads.
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Fraud Crawler
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:33:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Kyle Semones Well it's not my fault I'm there. We're told to go. And if someone is firing 7.62 rounds at me I'm not going to take the time to ask them why, or try and feel sympathetic towards them, I'm going to return fire.
No one made you go. You were not drafted like Iraqis were in the first Gulf War. You have an all-volunteer army.
You could leave now, if you want. You would be court martialed. You would get a dishonorable discharge, most likely. But at least you would be doing the right thing.
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Priva
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Semones Well Fraud, all you have to do is pick up a rifle and shoot at US Military because you harbor hate, and you can officially be a terrorist.
Actually he is better than that. He is better than you, better than anyone who picked up a rifle or weapon in hate. He is better than you because while you accepted the role of holding a weapon for whatever reason you may have. He decided against that, he decided to leave, and not partake in what was happening.
I know one day the soldier who did go to Iraq, and witnessed the violence there will look back on their younger years and be terrified, ashamed, and guilty.
For the rest of you get out of the FOB, get on the front lines, witness what is happening, and realize this YOU ARE FIGHTING HUMANS SUCH AS YOURSELF.
Deep down you are afraid of the reprocussions that may come out if you were to ever tell the horrors you saw, the pictures and videos many of you may have. You will hide those items away from the world, but you know they exist.
One day I hope that you, myself, your family, my family, and the world's family will come to their senses and realize that letting your leaders bully you is not the 'right' way to live in the world.
To the soldiers reading this, become real defenders of a real hope for freedom. Not mercenaries for greedy powerful people. I want and hope that one day you can protect and defend what is 'right' and be able to correctly distinguish when you are being taken advantage of.
You want to fight for what is right, but right now you are protecting what is wrong. Things can change, things will change. The reprocussions, penalties, and punishments are extreme for those soldiers who believe they are protecting something that is wrong. I hope that one day you will be able to organize and change the world for the better. However, for the time being all you can do is realize you are protecting what is wrong in the world. |
Reverand Pastor
Caldari Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:34:00 -
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I would also like to confirm that only idiots can maintain deploy and use laser guided missiles m1a2 abrahms a-10 warthogs breach and clear and learn an entire new dialect. I mean c'mon that stuff is childsplay. Also 9 line is hard as 90% of the force is from west virginia and cant count past 8. sad times indeed
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