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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:20:00 -
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2nd CSM Formal Meeting 3 : CSM Delegates/Alternatives in Attendance:
Vuk Lau, Ankhesentapemkah, LaVista Vista, Darius Johnson, Pattern Clarc, Tusko Hopkins, Omber Zombie, Issler Dainze, Bunyip, Extreme, Sophie Daigneau, Meissa Anunthiel, Sophie Daigneau, Scagga Laebetrovo
Beside CSM Delegates/Alternatives CCP representatives attended the meeting.
This meeting was dedicated only to recent "Starbase exploit" issue.
I will use this opportunity the give props to CCP in behalf of whole CSM on prompt response towards this issue.
Chatlogs and meeting minutes will be uploaded tomorrow by our secretary Mr. Omber Zombie
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.14 21:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Vuk Lau
Chatlogs and meeting minutes will be uploaded tomorrow by our secretary Mr. Omber Zombie
Mad props to Oz, for staying up to crack of dawn in his local timezone to record these minutes for us.
I hope that once these minutes are posted that CCP cross post them into the information portal.
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group ceo
Tokyo Combat Group
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Posted - 2008.12.14 21:10:00 -
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Are the chat logs of the public channel worth posting?
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.14 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
I hope that once these minutes are posted that CCP cross post them into the information portal.
I suggested to CCP that it should be cross-posted. I think it's safe to say it's a bloody good idea, so I expect CCP to do it 
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.15 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Chatlogs and meeting minutes will be uploaded tomorrow by our secretary Mr. Omber Zombie
Mad props to Oz, for staying up to crack of dawn in his local timezone to record these minutes for us.
I hope that once these minutes are posted that CCP cross post them into the information portal.
Indeed, Oz really held in there.
Originally by: group ceo
Are the chat logs of the public channel worth posting?
My opinion is no, I don't think there was anything conclusive discussed there.
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:32:00 -
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Still waiting on ccp at the moment, they said it would be through some time today though. And yes, it was an epic meeting and I'm amazed I lasted through it considering I was operating with a severe hangover and 2 hours of sleep...
Mad props to the CSM people who asked the questions, I think I managed to get one in, but most of the time I was kept busy typing like a lunatic.
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Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:54:00 -
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And mad props to the 8 or so CCP representative for showing up on a sunday.
It was a good meeting, the likes of which I hope to be able to attend more in the future (would be much preferable without an exploit to discuss though :p).
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2008.12.15 16:50:00 -
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meeting minutes have been reviewed and accepted, they will be published at 17:30 :)
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.15 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Omber Zombie
meeting minutes have been reviewed and accepted, they will be published at 17:30 :)
OMG they are 5 min late, ohh the humanity, ohh the tinfoil, ohhh the cover up...
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sorry had to get that out of the way, someone would of posted it, figured id do it
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2008.12.15 17:43:00 -
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it's ccp, like patches you need to give them +/- an hour 
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.15 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Omber Zombie
it's ccp, like patches you need to give them +/- an hour
:P
I know, just could resist my fun. Anyways CCP Fallout indeed says it will be soon.
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Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:54:00 -
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How long does it take to publish chat logs. Why the hell has it taken this long?
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Custeau
How long does it take to publish chat logs. Why the hell has it taken this long?
Because it's easier to post demands and scream failures than actually creating results.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Jacque Custeau
How long does it take to publish chat logs. Why the hell has it taken this long?
Because it's easier to post demands and scream failures than actually creating results.
Not really - to scream you need to navigate the forum interface. Results might actually be easier here
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 15/12/2008 21:09:03
Are the minutes actually coming out tonight?
Or did marketing excise so much of it there isnt anything to read
There was even talk of French toast
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:45:00 -
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Minutes of the CSM meeting are published
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Kaijusan
Gallente
gallach minig Corp
New Eve Mining manufacturing Organisation
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:49:00 -
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Whitewash, total and absolute.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kaijusan
Whitewash, total and absolute.
Sorry to hear you feel that way, on your way out the door, please do not forget to contract me all your goods.
Thank you.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.12.15 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kaijusan
Whitewash, total and absolute.
How so? It's not all the data, but they haven't had a chance to tie it all up with a bow just yet. We got a lot of important facts about it - it's been going on since at least March and possible since at least Feb 2007, it's about 1/3 of the ferrogel market, it was "a few trillion isk", and so on. They don't have everything I want to know yet, but they seem to be making an honest attempt, and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for as long as that's the case. They've done nothing on this issue to merit the contempt you're showing.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.12.16 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jason Edwards on 16/12/2008 00:26:33
What a joke. This had no new information. You can find more accurate and detailed information elsewhere.
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EyjoG stated that generally speaking, petitions filed in the exploits category are immediately assigned high priority and get attended to within the day.
I have an exploit petition open right now... completely unrelated to this pos exploit but still... been 3 days with no response. Still no response as of making this post.
So... ya um...
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Sometimes however (like in this case when the petition was not filed as an exploit) petitions are filed wrongly
Nope it's filed under exploits.
I've even made another petition after this one asking a question if it was against the EULA-Policies to scan down mission runners and to steal mission objective items. That was answered... and has been closed...
Exploit is still open.
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Vuk wanted to add quickly that the current petition system was not good, mostly due to the incompetence of the low level Game Masters and nothing is solved until escalated to senior Game Masters.
TBH I've had nothing but good experiences with the GMs except 1 GM. I have a feeling that GM is a bot or something because I know 5+ people who have had IDENTICAL responses from this GM. LETTER 4 LETTER.
Is it time to stop filing petitions? Just as I've been forced to stop filing bug reports because of how many are filtered and ignored with no response; to which the bugs make it to TQ...
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.12.16 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
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Sometimes however (like in this case when the petition was not filed as an exploit) petitions are filed wrongly
Nope it's filed under exploits.
I've even made another petition after this one asking a question if it was against the EULA-Policies to scan down mission runners and to steal mission objective items. That was answered... and has been closed...
Exploit is still open.
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Vuk wanted to add quickly that the current petition system was not good, mostly due to the incompetence of the low level Game Masters and nothing is solved until escalated to senior Game Masters.
TBH I've had nothing but good experiences with the GMs except 1 GM. I have a feeling that GM is a bot or something because I know 5+ people who have had IDENTICAL responses from this GM. LETTER 4 LETTER.
Is it time to stop filing petitions? Just as I've been forced to stop filing bug reports because of how many are filtered and ignored with no response; to which the bugs make it to TQ...
Was the response to your petition that the theft was an exploit? I assume that the response was "No, it's fine, learn to play" or some variant thereof, and thus saying that the "exploit" is still open is wholly misleading. As for the GM in question, what exactly is wrong with letter "4" letter identical responses? Petitions will largely fall into a handful of common groups, and any GM who doesn't have their answers to those pre-written(either for cutting and pasting or just memorized from frequent use) is mad. If you answer the same question in 100 different ways, you're a bad GM - consistent responses are far better.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.12.17 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Was the response to your petition that the theft was an exploit?
Yes, this is indeed completely allowed and within normal game mechanics.
The gm who responded I've had dealings with before and i'd give him 10/10 in terms of service.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.12.17 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Was the response to your petition that the theft was an exploit?
Yes, this is indeed completely allowed and within normal game mechanics.
The gm who responded I've had dealings with before and i'd give him 10/10 in terms of service.
I'm confused then - if the response was that it's allowed, why is your comment "Exploit is still open"?
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.12.17 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Was the response to your petition that the theft was an exploit?
Yes, this is indeed completely allowed and within normal game mechanics.
The gm who responded I've had dealings with before and i'd give him 10/10 in terms of service.
I'm confused then - if the response was that it's allowed, why is your comment "Exploit is still open"?
The theft of mission objectives stuff isnt the exploit petition. It's the petition I made AFTER the exploit petition. I'm obviously not going to share the details of that petition.
Oh and I finally got a response from that exploit petition... but honestly... CCP says they respond in less then 1 day but they really dont. 4 days to respond...
On a side note... I'm not happy with the answer to the exploit petition. I'm going to have to figure out where this GM stands. Quite sure he isnt a lead GM.
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.18 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: Tchell Dahhn on 18/12/2008 03:40:54
Originally by: Jason Edwards
On a side note... I'm not happy with the answer to the exploit petition. I'm going to have to figure out where this GM stands. Quite sure he isnt a lead GM.
I don't want to derail this thread any more than I must to let you know, but there are a significant number of threads already open in which this has been discussed.
It's not considered an exploit, since you can either fail/restart the Mission, or allow the item to respawn after downtime.
That being said, I've seen GM's actually 'give' the Mission Item back to disgruntled Mission Runners if you ask really, really nicely.
(I've stolen more than one mission item in my past, both from friend and foe alike, and have received reports of this, or denials from the GMs. What I haven't heard is anyone getting in trouble for doing it, which is good.)
Sorry to derail, but I did a search for your name, Jason, and noticed that you hadn't posted any discussion of this anywhere else.
Carry on, gentlemen.
Ninja Edit: I reread your statement about your petitions, and may have been confused about you calling theft of a mission item an exploit or not, so don't take offense if I don't go into detail and rewrite my above post. If you didn't mean you thought it to be an exploit, you don't need to post a huge wall about it. Just looking to save you a bunch of typing.
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