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Octaviun Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.12.15 04:03:00 - [1] With so many account thefts because corporate members share accounts (Don't deny it) and people able to delete all your account assets with a few clicks in seconds and drain your isk account I had an idea from a different game that should be implemented into EVE. The introduction of the 2nd password a security code for ingame use 5 digit code that would only be used for ingame needs. I.The 2nd password would protect the following. Isk wallet Trade Trashing Items Self Destructing Optional 2nd key for ships (aka a lock) The Master Key II. The explanation Isk wallet This was the hardest one for me to figure out the best anti-theft act because there are so many ways for ISK to be liquidated if you are going to be robbed. Transferring to another account, Buying everything you can off the market, Trading with another character. Giving Isk away. So what I thought of was for every time you logon on you would need to input your 2nd password for your first transaction every time you logon the game. Only would appear when you you start a trade,"Send isk to player", Buy something off market. II.A Trade This should be covered with the Isk wallet 2nd password you must input it once you open a trade with anyone. II.B Trashing Items Every time you would trash your first item you must input the 2nd password. II.C Self destruction The 2nd password is required when you are undocked to self destruct the ship this is one of the most common ways of account hijackers going onto your account. Blow up the ship get the insurance then transfer all the money to their account. II.D The optional ship lock This idea came to me. For people who have faction ships pimped out and everything and you don't want to lose it to account hijacking, or if you are one of those corp members who loans their account.Add the 2nd password to the selected ship and it will always require the 2nd password to be inputted. III. The Master Key There would be space in the Menu to allow you to fill in your 2nd password to be saved in the cache, so every time you started up you wouldn't be required to put the 2nd password each time. A non-invasion 2nd wall of security for your account. IV. Why do we need this? I don't know many people who don't share their accounts and CCP hates dealing with it and will always keep the account banned because they can't verify anything and it would be "against the rules to share accounts anyways" and you're screwed. This would add and extra layer of defense and would be win/win for both sides. Less petitions , less account thefts doing anything harmful and you can get it recovered. If you know the 2nd password and tell it to CCP. I hope this is considered to be implemented into EVE one day and hopefully a CCP developer will see this or a moderator pass the word down. Let's get some player opinions on this aswell :) _________________________________________________
d1v1n1ty	Posted - 2008.12.15 04:10:00 - [2] Edited by: d1v1n1ty on 15/12/2008 04:09:53 If you're sharing your account, you deserve to lose your stuff. Create a control system for an EULA work around?...oh man...
Ford Chicago Omega Enterprises 0mega Factor	Posted - 2008.12.15 04:12:00 - [3] No. DON'T SHARE YOUR ACCOUNT. I've never shared my account, and magically, I've never had anything stolen from my account or had any risk of anyone acting in my name. While I am certainly aware of account sharing for things like cyno chains, those chars have exceptionally limited access and no assets to worry about.
Octaviun Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.12.15 04:12:00 - [4] Edited by: Octaviun on 15/12/2008 04:13:18 Edited by: Octaviun on 15/12/2008 04:12:37 Originally by: d1v1n1ty Edited by: d1v1n1ty on 15/12/2008 04:09:53 If you're sharing your account, you deserve to lose your stuff. Create a control system for an EULA work around?...oh man... Generic trolling? This would give players another line of defense again these things. Other games use this security option why do they 'deserve' to lose their stuff? Because they were to trusting of a website and a trojan takes their stuff this would ensure other players aswell that share dont get their stuff taken. _________________________________________________
Octaviun Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.12.15 04:14:00 - [5] Originally by: Ford Chicago No. DON'T SHARE YOUR ACCOUNT. I've never shared my account, and magically, I've never had anything stolen from my account or had any risk of anyone acting in my name. While I am certainly aware of account sharing for things like cyno chains, those chars have exceptionally limited access and no assets to worry about. Again no valid excuse to not implement this. It is inevitable that people will share accounts and CCP can't stop it at all. So they try not protecting the player instead? _________________________________________________
d1v1n1ty	Posted - 2008.12.15 04:20:00 - [6] Originally by: Octaviun Edited by: Octaviun on 15/12/2008 04:13:18 Edited by: Octaviun on 15/12/2008 04:12:37 Originally by: d1v1n1ty Edited by: d1v1n1ty on 15/12/2008 04:09:53 If you're sharing your account, you deserve to lose your stuff. Create a control system for an EULA work around?...oh man... Generic trolling? This would give players another line of defense again these things. Other games use this security option why do they 'deserve' to lose their stuff? Because they were to trusting of a website and a trojan takes their stuff this would ensure other players aswell that share dont get their stuff taken. Let's make our Credit Card Numbers our login. Then let the sharing begin!
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.12.15 04:24:00 - [7] This is the greatest idea ever! What? This thread needed balance. ------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
d1v1n1ty	Posted - 2008.12.15 04:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Khemul Zula This is the greatest idea ever! What? This thread needed balance. ...I want to send you ISK...What's your login name?
Ava Baby Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.15 04:57:00 - [9] Edited by: Ava Baby on 15/12/2008 04:58:02 I kind of like the idea. Maybe just have it apply to deleting toons. But, if you must share an account.... make sure it's with someone you actually know. By doing it that way, you can slash their tires when you stuff goes missing. Originally by: Asestorian I support this message. Whatever it is.
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.12.15 05:01:00 - [10] Edited by: Mika Meroko on 15/12/2008 05:02:40 Originally by: Octaviun Originally by: Ford Chicago No. DON'T SHARE YOUR ACCOUNT. I've never shared my account, and magically, I've never had anything stolen from my account or had any risk of anyone acting in my name. While I am certainly aware of account sharing for things like cyno chains, those chars have exceptionally limited access and no assets to worry about. Again no valid excuse to not implement this. It is inevitable that people will share accounts and CCP can't stop it at all. So they try not protecting the player instead? .... so.. whats the VALID excuse for implementing this? I understand where you are coming from... that you want to be safe... but this feel like downloading music off the internet. The company doesnt like you doing it... people are gonna do it anyways... people SHOULD keep it in the dark....and accept whatever conseqneces (virus..RIAA) if they break the agreement... it is like asking music companies to protect their files to make sure they dont have trojans/viruses and etc... .... meh, you are asking for a bit that harms a company's bottomline... next people will ask to be able to log in on different chars on an account at the same time... edit: ... I am not attacking you... but what incentive are you giving CCP for implementing this? as you say (personally, I dont trust anybody with my stuff0 ... people will do it... but why should CCP make it easier for people to not pay them money? Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.15 05:09:00 - [11] If you account share you're pretty much asking to be screwed. Take this from someone who learnt that the hard way...

CCP Applebabe	Posted - 2008.12.15 05:13:00 - [12] Moved to " Features & Ideas Discussion " forum.

mechtech Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2008.12.15 05:22:00 - [13] Edited by: mechtech on 15/12/2008 05:23:11 Originally by: Octaviun Originally by: Ford Chicago No. DON'T SHARE YOUR ACCOUNT. I've never shared my account, and magically, I've never had anything stolen from my account or had any risk of anyone acting in my name. While I am certainly aware of account sharing for things like cyno chains, those chars have exceptionally limited access and no assets to worry about. Again no valid excuse to not implement this. It is inevitable that people will share accounts and CCP can't stop it at all. So they try not protecting the player instead? I don't agree with you. A 2nd password would enable risk free account sharing, and account sharing would go through the roof. Losing all your stuff is a big disincentive to not share your account with anyone else. Your idea is good on principle, but I guarantee the second this gets brought up in a CCP meeting people would remark that account sharing would increase, and it would be shot down. But really, if you don't share your account, this won't happen. If you are sharing your account, you are breaking the rules and should be held responsible. I don't share accounts and should never be at a disadvantage to other players because of it. This feature helps absolutely nobody but account sharers, and therefore has no point to anybody following the rules.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.12.15 05:44:00 - [14] Don't share your account. End of story. Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.12.15 06:20:00 - [15] Edited by: MotherMoon on 15/12/2008 06:22:30 why can't this be labeled instead, Account hacking. Another site does this. It's called Neopets. Oh god I haven't thought about that place in like 4 years. But anyways, your bank had a seperate password, just in case you got hacked. And it was optional to boot. The OP is just a *** for bring up account sharing. /also to the people saying this would increase account sharing. This is nothing more than an official version of an ingame system that can already be used. Like alliances because they were official. I can send myisk to an eve bank corp. Eve bank corps require a password. TaDa, this should already be increasing account sharing according to you.
d1v1n1ty	Posted - 2008.12.15 12:40:00 - [16] Edited by: d1v1n1ty on 15/12/2008 12:40:56 Ok, in all fairness, I apologize for previous trolling. From the perspective of account hacking, perhaps the issue is reminding people what makes a good password. I found this neat little tool online: password calc adding multiple uppercase and symbol characters to your passwords helps greatly. Sometimes it's as easy as turning 'apple' into '@pPl3-01'.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.15 16:18:00 - [17] Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 15/12/2008 16:21:08 One word that shoots this whole idea into a huge ball of flaming fail: Keylogger. It's often the way that others get unauthorised access your account to start with and if they can log your keypresses to log in and steal your account, they can do it to log your second password and still steal all your stuff. Edit: Forgot to add that creating a password that's hard to break is easy, remembering what it was is a bit more difficult. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.12.15 18:11:00 - [18] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 15/12/2008 18:11:07 Quote: why can't this be labeled instead, Account hacking. Another site does this. It's called Neopets. Oh god I haven't thought about that place in like 4 years. But anyways, your bank had a seperate password, just in case you got hacked. And it was optional to boot. The OP is just a * for bring up account sharing. /also to the people saying this would increase account sharing. This is nothing more than an official version of an ingame system that can already be used. Like alliances because they were official. I can send myisk to an eve bank corp. Eve bank corps require a password. Not worth developer time. A hacker can't just enter his internets hax and boom, magically get your password. People get their account hacked primarily for one of two reasons 1) They were stupid and gave the PW out, or 2) They were stupid and visited sites they shouldn't have (ISK seller sites, etc) Originally by:** Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
Dhejay Centrix Caldari The Wailing Doom	Posted - 2008.12.15 21:17:00 - [19] This is a dumb idea. There's no way anyone in their right mind would add code to protect people breaking the EULA. That's like asking the police to recover your ganja stash after someone stole it (unless you live in somewhere enlightened like The Netherlands) Keyloggers are also not CCP's problem. If you have a keylogger on your system then EvE is not the only thing at risk so it's your responsibility to remove it. I do good rates on personal computer and network security consultations

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