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Rehkhar
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.12.15 11:40:00 -
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Hi.
I am planning to invest in corp to be able to setup pos in hi sec for my personal invention and manufacturing activities.
I have one question:
What if I will be in 1 - man corporation and I will own a pos in hi sec and some other corporation will start war with my corporation? Can they attack my pos and put it in reinforced mode and then destroy? Will CONCORD take care of me ;-) and my awesome uber POS? :->
Any help would be appreciated
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ingenting
20th Legion
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 11:51:00 -
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war = no concord intervention
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Rom4n
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Posted - 2008.12.15 11:54:00 -
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There used to be a bug where they would have to wait for the pos to attack them before they would be able to fire on the POS withough being concordedededed; even if there was a lagit war. Not sure if that is still the case, but if it is... just dont put defences on the pos, thus it cannot attack.
Alternatively, anchor a large faction tower, with some offline hardeners. Should you have a war against you youll have time to online the hardeners. Then they'd need a substantial BS fleet, and alot of time to knock that down without the ability to get dreads in on the act.
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ingenting
20th Legion
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 11:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Rom4n
There used to be a bug where they would have to wait for the pos to attack them before they would be able to fire on the POS withough being concordedededed;
havent heard of this for 6+ months.
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brinelan
Caldari
Victory Not Vengeance
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.15 13:50:00 -
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Make sure it is defended but you can leave the defenses offlined. Fill your guns to capacity with ammo, and make sur eyou have strontium in the towers. This way you just have to online the guns and wait for the attack. (yes people really dont load guns with ammo and put no stront in towers).
Also, make sure you train up the skills to control pos guns. It does require anchoring 5. Pos guns won't do as much to an opposing fleet without someone manning the guns.
And don't waste money on large pos guns, those are for dreads and since dreads arent allowed in hisec then you really don't have a need for them. Go with mediums, some smalls, and a few lasers (to shoot those peksy small ships that just run around your pos trying to get your guns to use up their ammo).
There are some good threads on pos setup thoughts as well so give them a read.
A Pos is a large investment and you want to make sure you can protect it as much as you can protect anything in eve.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:22:00 -
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I'd recommend that if you are only planning to use the POS for some light copying and invention that you don't bother putting up your own. Rent space at an existing POS from one of the various reputable POS service providers. Less cost, less risk and less worry.
I offer such a service through the "Bring Me Sunshine" corp, I can free up space for one tenant at my POS if you get in quickly. Plenty of lab space for invention and enough copy slots for most inventors needs. No fee for joining and small fees on the lab slots themselves. Pricing can be found in this thread. The invention slots, due to the speed bonus, are actually cheaper than at an NPC station as well as being much faster.
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LordSax7648
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Posted - 2008.12.15 15:00:00 -
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For your first question. If you are war dec then yes your pos would be at risk, and provided you are not out doing things that would cause this (griefing, smacktalk, etc.) then this would most likely the reason for the war-dec. However given my experience this risk isn't that high and only minimal defense would be necessary. Without the large capital ships that are not allowed in empire (dreads), bringing down an pos would require a sizeable fleet.
Given your question however I'm not sure if you have looked at the other issues that POS ownership brings.
 Standings with Current Empire
Fuel Requirements
Cost of Tower/Labs etc.
Recovery of the initial investment will require months if not longer and you are looking at a monthly cost to keep pos fueled. If you forget and don't keep fueled and pos goes offline, then the pos is a sitting duck.
While the idea of owning a pos and having research/inventions slots sound appealing, the reality of the constant effort of keeping a pos up and running and profitable is a whole other matter.
However, I wish you Good Luck!
LS
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Callista Omenswarm
Astronautical Engineering
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Posted - 2008.12.15 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby
I'd recommend that ... you don't bother putting up your own. Rent space at an existing POS...
I offer such a service...
 Kudos for the blatancy of the advertising. Once you get to I think 2 or 3 research chars though, it is actually cheaper to run your own POS.
To the OP, to keep your POS from being an attractive war target, keep it fueled and as has been suggested, anchor a few defences and hardeners. An active POS means an active corp and that'll scare off 90% of those who'd wish to war dec you. Anyone left will be bored and looking for a fight and all the defences in the world aren't going to help against a corp that determined to take you out.
Just check mails daily for war decs and if you spot one, offline, unanchor and bundle the labs into station.
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Ms Flint
Caldari
GSZ
Magnum Opus.
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Posted - 2008.12.15 15:46:00 -
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i find defending a POS in high sec with a small corp is extremely stressful, especially if deccked by a pirate corp that just wants to ruin your day - in my experience, if they dont get your POS the frst time they will try again. and again.
I have been war decced several times with my alt's one man high sec corp - i just offline the whole POS as soon as - they usually get bored and revoke the deck after a couple of days when they realise they're not gonna have anything to kill ^^ however this may not be ideal if you are using it for research jobs 
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2008.12.15 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Callista Omenswarm
Originally by: Bad Bobby
I'd recommend that ... you don't bother putting up your own. Rent space at an existing POS...
I offer such a service...
Kudos for the blatancy of the advertising. Once you get to I think 2 or 3 research chars though, it is actually cheaper to run your own POS.
Indeed, that's the business model that my POSes run on. For individual pilots that require access to a POS it's cheaper and a lot less hastle than running their own. I group together 6 pilots on to one POS and while each of them saves money and effort compared to running their own POS the collected group pay enough for the service to make me a profit.
Also, since I have a corp of hardened killers to protect my POS (my main and his corp mates) I don't lose any sleep over the possibility of a war dec, instead I see it as an oppertunity for additional pew pew. My POSes have been through at least three war decs this year with zero losses and minimal inconvenience caused.
You have to ask yourself, do you want to concentrate on your core endeavour of invention and making isk from it, or do you want to have to deal with all the peripheral activities?
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:34:00 -
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Evaluate the maximum number of copy slots you will need, check your local systems to see if any stations have invention slots free (many do) so don't worry about inventing at your POS.
Evaluate the maximum number of build slots you'll have active at one time (Equipment Assembly Arrays have 6 slots).
Generally for a small/medium corp you'll do fine with a single Dread Guristas medium (300-400m in Jita). Anchor a few offlined cruise launchers, webbers (they still do 75%), and scrams. You'll find that many griefdeccers will avoid a solidly built POS (esp with webs/scrams).
If a wardec comes down you offline your labs & assembly arrays (the jobs pause, they don't go away), online your defense arrays, and let the hostiles chew on you. Bear in mind that the only way for a BS fleet to do much to a POS they need to be up close and personal so you don't need weapons with ranges beyond 150km (except when they're shooting across the width of the POS shield). A sniping fleet may try to take out your guns, but it will take them a good bit of time. Cruise launchers will still reach out and touch them.
Caldari (Guristas) towers are extremely popular because they have the CPU to support all of your labs & assembly arrays, but cruise missile launchers get NO bonus to their damage. Torpedo launchers get x3 or so, which makes them deadly to BS, but range is somewhat limited.
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Elle D
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.16 00:21:00 -
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Effectively defending your personal POS is made much easier by knowing what type of assault will be mounted against it, namely remote-repairing battleships. The fact that you won't be facing dreads means ewar is incredibly effective. Sensor dampeners and 1 of each racial jammer can completely ruin a remote-rep Battleship fleet. Another bonus to sensor dampeners is they force the attackers in to closer range, where your guns will do more damage. A suiciding discophoon or domi can blow up armor rep drones and bump one of their larger BSes out of Remote Rep range...then your guns kill it in a few cycles.
Get a POS calculator out and max out the defensive capabilities of your control tower. Keep those guns offline then just online them when wardecced. You don't want to waste any power on labs/assembly arrays when under attack. And yes, train Starbase Defense. It's a blast!
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