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Mikal Drey
Minmatar
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.23 09:26:00 -
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Morning,
I thought of a valid reason why the black ops ship should have the same range as a dreadnaught. A good and sensibe tactic would be for a ship to pop a cyno and the black ops ship jump a recon team into that system to check gates belts etc to clear the sytem for dreads to jump in safely. The dreads could then jump and have a small escort. the black ops ship then jumps and the chain gets repeated. the dreads/Jf would then have an escort when jumping theough a cyno chain.
With this change to the BO jump/portal range i would see the blackops ship having a stronger role. It would also encourage people to use recons in their cyno role ad provide a stronger 0.0 logistic.
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Megumi Yumiko
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Posted - 2008.12.24 02:37:00 -
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black op's ships have there great uses but yes a fuel bay and covert ups cloak should be incldudid as will its a 500 mil ship so it better has something good ?
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Potrero
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Posted - 2008.12.24 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: Potrero on 24/12/2008 02:43:38
 Originally by: Megumi Yumiko
... its a 500 mil ship so it better has something good ?
I used to think the same way, but then it occured to me that even at 80 mil there'd be little or no reason to fly them.
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.24 03:41:00 -
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Even with the fuel bay I don't really see the point of these ships. Hell throw in a cov ops cloak and all you have is a t1 bs that can warp cloaked, is really expensive, and has a jump drive (one with terrible range at that). What exactly is the point in using these in actual combat (other than epeen)?
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Mac Maniac
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.24 06:46:00 -
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Yes, I agree that Black Ops need a little bit of loving.. fuel bay, maybe a longer jump range.. But, I guarantee you when they become the FOTM. What you are going to see posted in the forums is the: OMFG Black ops are SO overpowered... It's just not fair that they can cyno in unseen into a system. wreck havoc AND!! AND!! jump out without having to use gates.. AND they cloak too!!! That's just not fair........yada, yada, yada,
The old axiom comes to mind.. Be careful what you wish for.............
I see a lot of uses... Hot dropping cloaker gangs?? something wrong with that?
I haven't tested whether you can jump the blockade runners yet.. But those make for cheap jump freighters bypassing those nasty gatecamps.
Lastly, If you worried about the cost.... Look at all the skills needed just to fly one...You are definitely not a 3 month old noob if you can fly one of those fully.. cost should not be that big an issue to say nothing of the fact that if you are the only jump portal creator in the fleet.. chances are you should not be in combat anyways.. It would seem to me to be a bad call on your part if you were to jump in a doz recons/bombers and you get blown up leaving your teammates stranded because you felt the overpowering urge to do the f1,f2,f3 thing..
I somehow doubt you are going to see an entire fleet of these together, proabably a couple of these and the rest would be recons/bombers.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2008.12.24 23:53:00 -
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Black ops could also do with a fairly substantial boost to signal strength, along with the much needed either covops cloak or adding a bonus to the scan penelty for normal cloaks.
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Aeo IV
Amarr
Xomic OmniCorporation
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Posted - 2008.12.25 00:14:00 -
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You know, every time the Black Ops comes up, someone says it should warp cloaked, and someone replies with "We can't have solopwn ships in EVE"
Here's a question for you- if we did have solopwn ships, wouldn't people naturally group together anyways? I mean, I keep hearing about how CCP wants to revive small gang PVP, but that's going to happen is every single ship is gimped in such a manner that prevents them from being used in a small gang. What I mean is, in modern PVP, you more or less can only fit a ship to do one or two things, like kill an interceptor, or tackle, the more people you need, in different ships, so you can handle any sort of situation.
It seems to me that, if we had more solopwn ships, we'd have smaller gangs that can do more.
People keep talking about how Black ops ships should warp cloaked, but what about a half-way solution? Black ops can't fit Covert Ops II Cloaks, but can warp with the other two cloaks, Improved Cloak II and Prototype cloak I, but the cloak's also reduce it's speed during warp, in the same manner it would if the ship was in normal space.
So a Black ops ship fitting a Improved cloak II would only warp at 0.75 AUs per second.
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Einar Lightfingers
Army 0f Two
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Posted - 2008.12.25 18:35:00 -
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Sigh... this issue has been beat to death so many times, you can't even recognize the body anymore.
Yes, a fuelbay is needed. Yes, the fuel costs should be looked at. Yes, the range should be looked at. I'm iffy on the COCD... I know people say it would be overpowered; Hell, I've even said it myself; but HOW would it be overpowered, exactly?
All those that say it is a **** ship and can't do squat just aren't trying hard enough. Waxau is excused from this, simply because he and I go way back on the Widow front.  I'm still flying mine, still getting kills, and getting away unscathed. You want a thrill? Trying pirating with it in low-sec. Or taking it and a pilgrim against 2 drakes, a caracal, a phoon, and a raven in a 0.0 station system and making them run like pansies. THAT, is a thrill. 
I will always have a Widow. Sexiest ship I own... and my setup works wonders. 
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Once a BEE, always a BEE!
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Gunner Chick
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Posted - 2008.12.25 18:42:00 -
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I have absolutely no clue about black ops.
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7shining7one7
Gallente
P0KER GHOST
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Posted - 2008.12.25 21:31:00 -
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hmm the biggest prob with blackops besides the fuel bay is probably how slow it actually flies whilst cloaked due to the battleship hull thus heavier but having exact same bonus cloak speed bonus as a stealthbomber.. (does not compute.. hehe, should be much more to compensate)
other than that they seem pretty chill.. the price? bleh, you're gonna loose ships at one point anyways.. might aswell loose some interesting ones rather than a same **** different day faction fitted plated t1 bs.. *yawn*
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Marius Nervosu
Caldari
Erebus Innovations
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Posted - 2008.12.26 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
Fuel bay is coming in march no doubt.
Cov-op cloak will never happen. That would be really overpowered.
They sure do need to be fixed dont they?
It's a 500mil ship. Fuel bay/cov-op cloak asap :)
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