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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.16 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 16/12/2008 06:17:48 I've never done much "dealing" with the out-of-empire people(can't say pirates as they ain't all naughty ), but i was curious on 0.0-sourcing my entrepreneurial ways.
So, here's the jist of it;
Is it viable to rent a system, with ample parking, rats and roids and a view of the ocean, from people who own some part of 0.0, for a one or two man corporation affiliated with no war faction or alliance?
Would the costs be all dependent on the deal?
Would it be "wise", or would i be setting myself up "the bomb", aka, bend over and wait to be "docked"?
In essence, if i rented a system from say, BOB(or some other), paid 25% of the income(be it what it may) and an extra 50mil/month, would it be even possible? do people do this?
And maybe most importantly, is it safe and can the treaty be trusted(in EVE-trust limits)?
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.16 06:24:00 -
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If the system is in a relatively secure part of the sovereign alliance's space, if the rats are good, if you're allowed to rat there any time you want, if you have access to a station with a medical bay and refining capacity, and if the alliance doesn't expect you to drop everything and shoot the alliance's enemies at the drop of a hat then yeah it's viable. The only renting fees I've ever actually seen (although I've never actively gone inquiring about them) have measured in the hundreds of millions a month, so in that case you'll probably want to be in a corp with at least a couple of active ratters who can help you ensure that you've got enough to pay the rent AND make a worthwhile profit for yourselves.
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Bohoba
Caldari HolyKnights
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Posted - 2008.12.16 06:25:00 -
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Yep if you got the cash there are a few out there that rent space if your pocket is deep enough :)
pick your landlords wisly :) it war time after all
no goons or bob atm they can't be trusted
....................... 10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.16 06:35:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 16/12/2008 06:36:03 Yeah i was planning on setting up one in a medical station or sorts. Jumpclone there with needed ships and such, then use my main body in my normal everyday activities.
would eliminate the need to travel back and forth through chokepoints too.
The percentual deal would most likely be a viable option to some people, as that would mean it's tied directly to the amount of resources i "plunder" from the given system. Then maybe a "insurance fee" monthly, old gangster style
Maybe even set a "But you better stay there, no going outside the contract system for fun times" clause
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Suede
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Posted - 2008.12.16 06:45:00 -
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The odds of you paying a % as opposed to a flat rate will be non-existant really. They wont follow you all day to make sure you are not stiffing them and they sure as hell wont trust you. Your options are really just 2. Pay a flat fee which could run from a couple hundred mill for a crap system up to billions for a good system (monthly) with no moons of value in them. Option 2 is join an alliance. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.16 06:56:00 -
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Thing is Suede, i'm not planning on bringing an umpty corporation to ravish moons and all roids. Just looking for a bit of ratting grounds etc.
Ah well, have to see what i can find and ofcourse it's always "dependent on people"
Trust ofcourse is an issue both ways, they might not trust on a % deal, but then again, same lack of trust could be on my safety
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Saltire
Sekura-Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.16 07:25:00 -
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syndicate, fountain, delve, stain, venal, curse.
all have npc stations with clone bays, stain is a bit of a tough one because of choke points.
but u can rat there very easily, just make sure u fit a cloak and watch local, also an alt scout helps.
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Mitch Taylor
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.16 07:28:00 -
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It's very possible to find decent space to rent, a few words of warning however.
Find out what the refining tax is at the local refinary and factor that into your sums (you could be being double taxed if your new landlord owns the refinary station also).
Do your maths on ratting income and ensure that it covers your rent.
Make sure your corp mates understand they will have a responsibility to this new deal and get them to vote on it so you have buy in from day one.
If you cover all of the above you should be sound. For information purposes only, a good security status single system is worth around 3bn isk a month for sole rights, a constellation can run from 6bn+ depending on the setup. Dont expect to be able to moon mine on that basis, you will prob get ratting/mining and may even have to share the system with others.
Anything above -0.2 in status is worthless and you may aswell be in empire, so please dont be duped into renting one ;)
Mitch
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.12.16 07:29:00 -
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Expect a flat fee. Probably a billion ISK/month minimum, just for the headache of having to add another corp to their blue list.
All the really primo systems will be overrun with existing players, so you'll be stuck with crappy rats and crap asteroids to mine. And yes, they'll expect you to defend space all the time. And no, it's never really 'secure', unless the space is so horrible that no one wants it. If it were that easy/profitable, then all the sissy b#tch ass carebears would be in 0.0 right now, farming the crap out of it.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Saltire
Sekura-Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.16 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Saltire syndicate, fountain, delve, stain, venal, curse.
all have npc stations with clone bays, stain is a bit of a tough one because of choke points.
but u can rat there very easily, just make sure u fit a cloak and watch local, also an alt scout helps.
no need to rent :-)
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.16 07:36:00 -
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Hmm.
From what i've read, for a single/two man corporation, the best viable option is to "rent a blue status" so to speak.
Free to roam and do your thing as long as you keep it to a minimum and also fend for yourself if met by other people then the corporation owning the place.
The reason i'm looking for a deal, instead of just going there, is that i feel it's only honorable to pay for the use of space
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Mitch Taylor
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.16 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Hmm.
From what i've read, for a single/two man corporation, the best viable option is to "rent a blue status" so to speak.
Free to roam and do your thing as long as you keep it to a minimum and also fend for yourself if met by other people then the corporation owning the place.
The reason i'm looking for a deal, instead of just going there, is that i feel it's only honorable to pay for the use of space
npc space as already stated is your main option mate. hop in a friggy and go check it out, you will be surprised how open some locals are to negotiating blue status for mutual protection.
dont come to delve tho, i hear there be dragons
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Phantom Slave
Amarr JUDGE DREAD Inc. HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.12.16 07:50:00 -
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You could always try to find some space where the locals are NRDS. Much easier to survive out somewhere like that, also makes it easier to become "blue" with the locals because they won't shoot you on sight. ____________________
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Nalgrim
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Posted - 2008.12.16 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: Nalgrim on 16/12/2008 07:55:22 which you think is easier ? ratting in 00 or doing 4 lvl missions?
--this does not include pvp conflicts just pve aspect :)
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Maverick 52
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.12.16 07:56:00 -
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Go to NPC 0.0
For a one/two man corp you'll spend more time slaving away to make your rent payment than it will be worth. Study the map for a week or so. Watch where people travel(in the NPC 0.0 region), watch where the rats are killed, locate the stations, plan your move. Once you get a ratting ship out there, it's pretty easy to keep as long as you fit it with a cloak and keep your eyes on local. You'll be able to dock, set clones, buy/sell loot so you wont need to worry about any of that. That also lets you set a jump clone in 0.0 and a "main" body in empire if you want, or the other way around :).
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.16 07:58:00 -
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How come i get the feeling my most viable option is to put "staying alive" on full blast in winamp and run like hell
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Laiyna
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Posted - 2008.12.16 08:05:00 -
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100 to 300M isk per month is the going rate, depends mostly on a lot of things. Been in a corp that rented space.
things that make the price: - How good the rats - Moonmining allowed - Mining Allowed - How Safe (is the alliance in a war. or are there fights in the home/serounding systems, etc. - Reputation of the Alliance you rentening from - Are you expected to defend the space - How big is your corp
Remember, prices will never be lower then 100M/month in case of fees that are involved, most likely they want you to make a member of they're alliance. And you will need to show some respect towards the alliance...
And yes, it can be very profitable, 10M/hour from ratting, setting up a pos for moon mining, etc.
Laiyna
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Aion Amarra
Minmatar New Eden Research Organisation StarFleet Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.16 08:44:00 -
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Just come out to providence.
NRDS here.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.16 08:59:00 -
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By the way, i've ratted and hunted in 0.0 before, just looking for viable options to "go in peace".
I don't mind the heartjumps the 0.0 god giveth, but sometimes i'd like to hunt some big rats in peace
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.16 11:42:00 -
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When I first read the title I must say I LOL'd. But this sounds like a good deal!
Only thing in this gameworld though is who can you really trust?
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.16 11:51:00 -
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I'd say for a 2-3 man corp, Providence is a good option. When you are a few more, maybe 5-10 people, you can move out to the NPC 0.0, syndicate, stain, curse, but it's a hard life if you don't choose your systems carefully.
The bigger you get, the more options you have, but I really wouldn't recommend real 0.0 to anyone with less than a few hundred players in corp/alliance. For renting its too expensive to bother with, and for taking over, you need the numbers and a tight group of people.
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RedLion
Caldari State Constructions
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Posted - 2008.12.16 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: RedLion on 16/12/2008 12:05:30 You can have a percentage rent if you invite an alt from the alliance to join your corp and have full access to your corp wallet and also the only one who can change your corp tax. (I think he must be corp leader then).
But go to Providence, no rent, pure love!
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LordSwift
INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE StarFleet Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.16 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Aion Amarra ?
Just come out to providence.
NRDS here.
Yeah for sure. Come out to providence and rat here in peace. The 0.0 systems leading on from ESA have average rats worth 850k and i have not been attacked once except from the odd roaming red gang but there is enough blues to keep most the area safe. I even solo mine in my hulk sometimes
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Precurseur
Gallente Friendly Insurgency Coalition of the ExtraOrdinary
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Posted - 2008.12.16 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Precurseur on 16/12/2008 13:56:52 Generally it's *******s.
The alliance keep the decent systems for themselves and generally stick you in a ****ty pipe route. All the decent moons will be used for the alliance, so you'll end up in some stinking backwater hell hole.
NPC 0.0 is also an option, but most of that has been "claimed" by alliances who will then also charge you, and tbh NPC isn't generally as good as true 0.0
Depends what you want to do really...
Edit: And yeah, they all say "It's really good here, good rats, safe, lots of blues and only a few roaming reds". Then when an AFK cloaker appears they run screaming like school girls.
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Dr NAthan
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Posted - 2008.12.16 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: Dr NAthan on 16/12/2008 14:01:16 Of course, this is what I love about EvE, this is yet another depth to the game that can be done, yes u can pay people to rent a system, why not? but on the flip side, yes you can take a payment and then screwed people over : )
You gotta love it back handers and double crossing, smells like EvE.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.16 15:54:00 -
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You're asking if you should get a pimp. Is having a pimp a good idea, if yes then there you are.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Dihania
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.12.16 16:04:00 -
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Don't rent. really. If you are the empire type and you want something moderately lucrative and all you can call on CVA. Maybe people don't like them, maybe roaming gangs hit them and what not, but the system they have still works after a long time. I remember the system IAC had and it was ok too.
I think as long as you act on NRDS policy, are not a pirate or a former well known pirate, do not shoot blues or act as a dumb ass.. you get station access, ratting, mining, etc. They do probably have some systems that are for their exclusive use tho.
If you are the more combative type you can try some NPC 0.0 out. A bit more dangerous but in many places you can talk and get along with the locals and as long as you do not **** anyone off and keep a good watch on local and who is blue to you and for what reason and who is red or neutral, you will be fine.
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brinelan
Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.16 16:19:00 -
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Another thing to add to the mix is if you drop a pos, dont assume the allianc eyou rent from will defend it.
There was some good advice above for finding some corner of 0.0 to play in, 0.0 is a whole different game from empire. Come on out and enjoy the view!
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.12.16 16:23:00 -
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If you want to rent space as a corp your best bet is to join a renter carebear alliance such as Free Trade Zone.
The only requisite is to pay their monthly fee, no worries about mandatory ops.
The rate to join renter alliances goes for around 300m/month.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.16 16:47:00 -
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I'll throw in my recommendation for the Providence region. Mining and ratting are pretty open season, the pipes are well covered by intelligence channels, the locals will come to your aid, if you're within a jump or two, and the docking fees and refining taxes are all they ask in return for using the area (they might shock you at first, but by the numbers, kill one battlcruiser rat, you've paid your battleship's docking fees in most areas).
I personally went there for the first six months I was in 0.0 as a soloer, before I hooked up with my first alliance. I averaged about 30 million a night ratting and salvaging. They call it crap space, but the rate of melted capacitor console drops off the Sanshas was real hard to beat, especially back when they were 500k a pop on buy orders. A couple hours out, and I had 8-12 of them easily.
The only thing they get jittery about is POSes, but with open stations, they're really not necessary, and its something of a slap in the face to their system to bypass their fee structure. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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