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Braxo
Caldari
Spathiwa Defenders
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Posted - 2008.12.16 09:22:00 -
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Using this thread I would like to (again) address the issue of Macro Miners & petitions. At the moment of writing it's pretty pointless to petition macro miners. CCP won't actually do anything with your petition except the standard reply saying "Thank you for your petition. We may, or may not, do anything with your petition. Either way, we can't tell you. na na na na nah na".
As a direct result people are not inclined to file petitions and macro miners go unchecked though New Eden.
In order to combat the problem of Macro Mining I would like to make the following two suggestions:
1) Ease the ability to petition
It should be easier to petition potential macro miners. Create a group for reporting Macros and most important of all, allow to drag a player name from the local channel to the petition field. This way you won't have to type their twisted name in the name field. Overall it should be a simple & easy task to report macro miners. Afterall: Less effort = More players willing to report.
2) CCP needs to provide feedback about the petition
Here we have the biggest problem: CCP. In order for the system to work CCP will have to provide feedback. Right now this isn't the case, players are just told to go **** themselves and STFU. This attitude ensures that player won't petition macro miners at all.
Since CCP hides behind the "privacy concerns" of their macro miners it will not be possible to get a result per case. but what CCP can do is provide a monthly report on the macro petitions.
For example: CCP could release a report saying that in the month December there have been 150 macro miner reports. These reports concerned a total of 75 players. After investigating these 75 players it has revealed that 50 of them have been violating the EULA and those players have been banned.
This way CCP can still hold up it's Privacy Concerns and yet allow players to see that they can be taken seriously (as opposed to the current situation). |
Boomershoot
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.12.16 09:54:00 -
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most parts Supported.
Nothing like monthly reports, but the petition system sure need an improvement
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Bunyip
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Posted - 2008.12.16 17:35:00 -
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In my time in Eve, I've reported over 100 macro miners. I stopped because nothing was being done about them (of the 100, at least one of those had to be an actual macro, as I used a 5-point system to determine if they were or not. I support this document, and the tally would be a good read to let us know they are doing something...
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
FunzzeR
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.12.16 17:48:00 -
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Petitions and Customer Support as a whole needs to be reworked
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Daemonspirit
Redhawk Tribal Trust
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Posted - 2008.12.16 22:48:00 -
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Hell Yes!
"The Game that shall not be Named" (WoW) - gives reports (or used to) occasionaly about the people who used bots, etc...
Do the same here.
Auctioning off Killrights on discovered Macro miners would be fun too!
Petition=investigation, investigation reveals EULA violation, Investigation pumps out Player Kill Rights Contract - anyone can buy this for 5, 10 15 million, and has kill rights on this toon for a month...
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ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2008.12.17 01:11:00 -
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Please explain your 5-point system for identifying macrominers, and explain how I wouldn't meet the criteria.
I mine in a hulk, with my alt. I'm not always watching local. My CSPA charge is 1M ISK. I do not answer people just because they mention my name in local.
Rather than kill rights, just name the system that suspected macrominers are operating in. Then the real miners can go mine the system dry and remove the incentive for the macrominers to use that system. You don't have to shoot people to cause economic harm.
I do support the idea of having CCP report on action taken regarding macro mining petitions.
I do not support the creation of more categories of petition. In fact, I would suggest that all petitions go into one channel, to be filtered by specialist petition classifiers so that petitions about POS exploits or macrominers can't get stuck in the wrong petition queue for five days.
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Eposis
Spathiwa Defenders
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Posted - 2008.12.17 11:36:00 -
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Not going to see any chance soon, but supported. |
JorEl Tarasque
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Posted - 2008.12.19 17:48:00 -
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I agree
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Plundaar
Gallente
Golden Orb Technology inc
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Posted - 2008.12.19 18:31:00 -
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Sadly this isn't a case of nobody cares, but nobody seems to see anything being done about them.
I support monthly reports on numbers, not names.
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NeoVictus
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Posted - 2008.12.20 10:01:00 -
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.12.20 14:08:00 -
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I've said it before and I'll say it again...
... and again
... and again...
Because CCP never listens:
Make it prohibative for them to remain in NPC corps!!!! Limit the skills they can train and the ships they can fly. PUSH them out of the NPC corps and make them vulnerable to war declarations.
Make war declaration flags persist with each individual of the declared corp so jumping does not get them instant freedom from the war.
Yes, they'll just dock and not log in... OKAY! Mission accomplished, a macro miner not mining is not making money for the macro user (of course, in the case of organized macro industries they have dozens of ready accounts to take up the slack...)
CCP should also institute more aggressive client end snooping to determine if macro activity is affecting the client.
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Enjia Fullblood
Gallente
Black Serpent Technologies
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.20 14:36:00 -
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the thing that most people dont' know about macro miners is CCP changed the way the graphics engine works so any macro that worked off finding pixels no longer works, that put a stop to the majority of macros.
what most people think are macro miners are really just people who mine a lot, i know many people who ignore local and all chats and mine for 10 hours a day. which is perfectly fine as far as CCP is concerned.
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Rovad
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Posted - 2008.12.21 04:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Enjia Fullblood
the thing that most people dont' know about macro miners is CCP changed the way the graphics engine works so any macro that worked off finding pixels no longer works, that put a stop to the majority of macros.
what most people think are macro miners are really just people who mine a lot, i know many people who ignore local and all chats and mine for 10 hours a day. which is perfectly fine as far as CCP is concerned.
Earlier this week a barge was mining ice in the ice belt (yeah, go figure!). Some npc pirates came along and attacked the barge, resulting in it's destruction. The pod kept going back and forth between the ice field and the station. This was 100% certain a macro miner. No way a player would just go back and forth in his pod to sit at the ice field.
While I do agree that a lot of people are actually mining without paying attention to local, there are a lot of macro miners in ice belts as well. Typical signs include random character names, noob corps and being on 23/7.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
The 13th Gallentean Armed Response
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Posted - 2008.12.23 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 23/12/2008 13:27:20
Originally by: Enjia Fullblood
the thing that most people dont' know about macro miners is CCP changed the way the graphics engine works so any macro that worked off finding pixels no longer works, that put a stop to the majority of macros.
what most people think are macro miners are really just people who mine a lot, i know many people who ignore local and all chats and mine for 10 hours a day. which is perfectly fine as far as CCP is concerned.
Hmm... they are not people, they are MACROS (bots, programs, scripts... any way you like it). How would you explain 3 Hulks bumping on each other in the asteroid field... with shield boosters constantly on... three achura characters are flying them... each one has never done anythig in the game (no sec status, no agents no bio, no employment history, no contracts,...)... the time of their creation differs by 3 minutes strictly... the names have the same lengths and are just junk like fgghty or jyhnml... they always move together, mine together, fly to the exact same spot in the belt together... they are jettisoning bookmarks in strictly regular time periods so they can warp to the same spot after docking... they do not talk in local, don't detect if you take the bookmark from the can (yes, I've tried that)... you can't see them anywhere except in those few solar systems they are mining... Would you cal THIS a dedicated miner  ?
I've detected 17 characters like this in total just last night in ONE system. These are NOT just people who mine a lot.
Ban macro miners!!!
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Davination
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Posted - 2008.12.23 16:44:00 -
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Both ideas supported.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.23 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Xerox
I've said it before and I'll say it again...
... and again
... and again...
Because CCP never listens:
Make it prohibative for them to remain in NPC corps!!!! Limit the skills they can train and the ships they can fly. PUSH them out of the NPC corps and make them vulnerable to war declarations.
Make war declaration flags persist with each individual of the declared corp so jumping does not get them instant freedom from the war.
Yes, they'll just dock and not log in... OKAY! Mission accomplished, a macro miner not mining is not making money for the macro user (of course, in the case of organized macro industries they have dozens of ready accounts to take up the slack...)
CCP should also institute more aggressive client end snooping to determine if macro activity is affecting the client.
And to reply to it again and again, you want to punish 10.000 players to get 100 macro.
And then the macro aren't even your target, you want simply easy target to kill.
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Roymundo
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Posted - 2008.12.23 23:31:00 -
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suported
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Aetius III
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Posted - 2009.01.14 16:59:00 -
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support both the above ideas.
I did have a nice solution to the bots land in my lap today however. Apparently one of the regular ice field bots in my home system is set to loot faction wrecks. My miner killed a couple true sansha frigs and the bot looted one of the wrecks.
What a nice feeling it is to have a bot flashing red. Grabbed my main and popped a fully t2 fitted mackinaw. And am still watching the pod warp in and out. So at least today I beat the macro miners. Sure tomorrow will be back to normal.
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Hans Arienth
Lightspeed Logistics
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:57:00 -
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2009.01.15 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Mister Xerox
I've said it before and I'll say it again...
... and again
... and again...
Because CCP never listens:
Make it prohibative for them to remain in NPC corps!!!! Limit the skills they can train and the ships they can fly. PUSH them out of the NPC corps and make them vulnerable to war declarations.
Make war declaration flags persist with each individual of the declared corp so jumping does not get them instant freedom from the war.
Yes, they'll just dock and not log in... OKAY! Mission accomplished, a macro miner not mining is not making money for the macro user (of course, in the case of organized macro industries they have dozens of ready accounts to take up the slack...)
CCP should also institute more aggressive client end snooping to determine if macro activity is affecting the client.
And to reply to it again and again, you want to punish 10.000 players to get 100 macro.
And then the macro aren't even your target, you want simply easy target to kill.
It won't hamper 10k legitimate pilots one whit. They'll move to their Player Corp and continue unaffected forever afterward. They might recieve one declaration in a year... if they've got something to bother hunting.
Macros make themselves painfully obvious, and a war declaration system is the only legitimate way to counter them. Unfortunately there is no way to affect them in completely untouchable (except by massive suicide squads) NPC corps.
And I don't do empire wars. In 0.0 I can pop them as freely as I wish (and do) without ever worrying. Why? Because they're in player corps, but they're still botting. If they're in NPC corps they're meat in 0.0 anyway.
You overinflate the importance and risk of Wars as a 'wahhhh cry me a river' defense when in fact few empire corps are ever declared against unless they bring it on themselves by irritating someone (theft, smacktalk, obvious macro behavior, market underpricing) ect. |
Belmarduk
M.A.R.S. Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.01.15 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip
In my time in Eve, I've reported over 100 macro miners. I stopped because nothing was being done about them (of the 100, at least one of those had to be an actual macro, as I used a 5-point system to determine if they were or not. I support this document, and the tally would be a good read to let us know they are doing something...
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Karentaki
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.15 19:50:00 -
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Fully supported.
It would also be nice if CCP would just have a monitor program that keeps track of how long people spend logged on and active. If someone is mining 23 hours a day for several days in a row, they are either macroing or account sharing - either is bannable.
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EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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Haldane IV
Einstein's Dreams
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Posted - 2009.01.15 20:21:00 -
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I'm for anything that might go to cleansing the isk farming/selling/buying toxin from my game |
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