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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.12.16 16:24:00 -
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Since it appears that Hexxx's announcement is "officially" off topic for this area I though it best that discussion regarding Hexxx's retirement turn to Market matters. Of course we should probably first start with a list of all the things that Hexxx has done for Eve's Markets. Then we could probably talk about how to take the torches he's lit and move them forward. Finally, if you think it pertinent I would not be upset if anyone expressed their thoughts regarding what Hexxx has done for Eve's Markets. (If you are inclined to discuss Hexxx's Personal Life - linkage)
I remember the first time I interacted with Hexxx. He used to hold "voice" server Market workshops. I shot myself in the foot at the one I attended by giving out a hot market tip. Next day the window of opportunity had totally closed. Not from market correction but from the people at the workshop!! So, I'm going to toss into this discussion "Market Workshops" as one of Hexxx's contributions.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
DeathGrip
Amarr
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.16 16:29:00 -
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Shar does have a senimental side to him how cute!!! (Joking / Sarcasim)
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.16 16:29:00 -
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while I never attended any of his workshops, I know a fair few that have. Those that have yet to have the opportunity to attend, are deprived that they will not have that opportunity in their future.
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Lol shar, i find it funny that your "arch-nemisis" had to ruin Hexxx's thread to bring you out of you MD reclusion. Chuckle with me m8, cause you know it is funny.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.12.16 16:40:00 -
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Hexxx was likely the biggest reason Shar Tegral and myself didn't end up sending Anthrax packed envelopes to one another's house when our altercations turned ugly in EBANK.
Also, just a quick note it's interesting to see CCP bowing down to a person who wished death upon them and their families.
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DeathGrip
Amarr
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.16 16:41:00 -
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 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
Hexxx was likely the biggest reason Shar Tegral and myself didn't end up sending Anthrax packed envelopes to one another's house when our altercations turned ugly in EBANK.
Also, just a quick note it's interesting to see CCP bowing down to a person who wished death upon them and their families.
Maybe he threatend them again if they didnt move them.
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Block Ukx
Block Ships and Ammunitions
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Posted - 2008.12.16 16:43:00 -
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For those who never read the stickies.
Hexxx Resume
Hexxx's Oficial IPO Template
I have always considered HexxxÆs opinion of exceptional value and the market is loosing a great thinker proposing many initiatives ahead of EVEÆs times.
When Hexxx spoke, MD listened.
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Randy West
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.16 16:46:00 -
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I was around for a workshop or two
Hexxx is one of the better informed personalities around these forums and this game for that matter.
I am glad I got the chance to listen in to his marketing advice.....it has helped me a great deal.
I would hope that the institutions he is leaving behind are all stable and have had enough of his guidance to move forward and prosper in his absence.
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Damien Jax
Industrial Research College Ltd
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Posted - 2008.12.16 16:58:00 -
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This thread seems like a wake to me.
Though I started up in MD a month or two ago, I ready Hexxx's back posts and other contributions. Everytime he got into a thread, he usually had something very knowledgeable and intelligent to say. I'm sure others will step up to try to fill the huge shoes, but it'll never be the same.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.16 17:33:00 -
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Hexx set up the start of the good oversight for IPO's and bonds. His impact is what he set up not what he will do in the future.
Hexx's leaving seems to be following a general trend, that some of the more experienced forum members are moving on.
I do have to admit I made a mistake. The forum move hasn't worked out to well, and it is now a bit of a trollfest here.
As time moves on, and oversight becomes less, a large amount of investment will be made into questionable businesses.
The future of the secondary market I think hinges on how good the EBank exchange is, and hopefully it will launch soon. I also see more of the serious business discussion moving to the EBank server if they get a good MD board up and running.
I do worry about the secondary market.
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Alatari
Gallente
Winterdawn
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Posted - 2008.12.16 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
while I never attended any of his workshops, I know a fair few that have. Those that have yet to have the opportunity to attend, are deprived that they will not have that opportunity in their future.
There's a recording of one of the workshops on EVE files.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.16 18:07:00 -
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It'll suck, for a minute or two at least. A well seasoned player with the breadth of knowledge and the willingness to share is a treasured commodity around these parts.
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Damien Jax
Industrial Research College Ltd
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Posted - 2008.12.16 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Hexx set up the start of the good oversight for IPO's and bonds. His impact is what he set up not what he will do in the future.
Hexx's leaving seems to be following a general trend, that some of the more experienced forum members are moving on.
I do have to admit I made a mistake. The forum move hasn't worked out to well, and it is now a bit of a trollfest here.
As time moves on, and oversight becomes less, a large amount of investment will be made into questionable businesses.
The future of the secondary market I think hinges on how good the EBank exchange is, and hopefully it will launch soon. I also see more of the serious business discussion moving to the EBank server if they get a good MD board up and running.
I do worry about the secondary market.
I really think the exchange provided by EBANK and an alternative MD forum as well would do wonders for reducing the trolling and help with oversight. I would think that any IPO being put on EBANK's exchange would go through a pretty tough vetting process before anyone who uses the exchange would invest in it.
If people want to be stupid with their isk and invest in scams, so be it. The majority of us who actually think before we send a billion isk to someone will be alright. The best we can do is vet the IPO and hope people think before they act. I believe this was an ideal that Hexxx had as well.
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.16 20:03:00 -
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*hint* *hint*
EBANK has setup a new Market and Stocks Forum on their forums. And Hexxx said he retired from EVE, not from EBANK. 
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Damien Jax
Industrial Research College Ltd
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Posted - 2008.12.16 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: SentryRaven
*hint* *hint*
EBANK has setup a new Market and Stocks Forum on their forums. And Hexxx said he retired from EVE, not from EBANK.
Oh SR you sly devil, I could kiss you... but then there's that whole herpes thing...
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2008.12.16 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: DragonRiderTao on 16/12/2008 22:17:52
How accurate is self mensuration? One brilliant luster does vanish as the others bleak sparks. Observe the distance these quiescent kine.
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Taikun
Gallente
20th Legion
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.17 04:59:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 17/12/2008 05:00:25
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
Hexxx was likely the biggest reason Shar Tegral and myself didn't end up sending Anthrax packed envelopes to one another's house when our altercations turned ugly in EBANK.
I warned you about that potential when you put the call out for directors. Frankly I am surprised that he didn't facilitate EBanks complete annihilation. If you put that down to Hexxx's influence and he is now stepping back... pray tell what stabilising force remains in EBank to secure inventors equity? (Besides yourself of course...)
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
Also, just a quick note it's interesting to see CCP bowing down to a person who wished death upon them and their families.
Who was that? Sounds like that guy has balls the size of SUVs. Then again, all I ever could muster is the unshakable opinion that CCP needs to fire incompetent coders, preferably at Christmas time to motivate the others to do a better job. Whoever said they should be killed is taking it a bit far don't you think? We want CCP to work harder with less stupid avoidable bugs, not quit in fear.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.17 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
I warned you about that potential when you put the call out for directors. Frankly I am surprised that he didn't facilitate EBanks complete annihilation. If you put that down to Hexxx's influence and he is now stepping back... pray tell what stabilising force remains in EBank to secure inventors equity? (Besides yourself of course...)
Reading comprehension is not always your strong suite is it?
He'll still be involved with Ebank, just not in EVE much or even around here at all. |
Taikun
Gallente
20th Legion
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.17 05:11:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 17/12/2008 05:14:24
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Reading comprehension is not always your strong suite is it?
He'll still be involved with Ebank, just not in EVE much or even around here at all.
It obviously is not yours. Note the absence of the term "QUIT" or "stepping down" and the more appropriate usage of "stepping back".
I chose this terminology for the simple reason that I read and understood his new role which I interpret as a less day-to-day hands on person.
So my question remains to be answered. If as Ric mentioned Hexxx was a great moderating force within EBank and he has slowed down his involvement with the game proper, who remains within EBank who is equal to the task of filling that role?
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.12.17 06:03:00 -
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Who cares what your question is? You have no place in this community.
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Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.17 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
So my question remains to be answered. If as Ric mentioned Hexxx was a great moderating force within EBank and he has slowed down his involvement with the game proper, who remains within EBank who is equal to the task of filling that role?
Hexxx was a good mediator between myself and Shar as we came to clashes on a few occasions.
We don't really have a Shar like figure in EBANK any more which is both a good and bad thing. Shar wasn't afraid to shout out loud if he didn't like the way things were going. Some could say he went a little far on some occasions but he still mostly had EBANK's best interests at heart.
Horizontal is probably the closest to Shar in that he is very adamant about the way things are done but he is a lot less agressive. My outbursts with Shar weren't due to Shar or myself doing anything incredibly untoward simply that Shar wasn't afraid to get agressive and I respond to agression with agression, making it a fiery storm when we both got each other annoyed.
There haven't really been any major altercations since then, there was a bit of an issue regards to the way some processes were being handled however it was dealt with in-house and resolved.
As I always said to Shar, we are both leaders. We both like to be in control. Putting two leaders together can result in altercations and it did so. I don't regret Shar being with EBANK at all as I think he almost always had EBANK's best intentions at heart during those altercations.
Anyway mediation isn't required as much these days as there isn't anywhere near the same amount of conflict. |
Taikun
Gallente
20th Legion
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.17 07:01:00 -
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Excellent answer and I appreciate the time you took to craft it.
Thank you,
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.17 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
Who was that? Sounds like that guy has balls the size of SUVs. Then again, all I ever could muster is the unshakable opinion that CCP needs to fire incompetent coders, preferably at Christmas time to motivate the others to do a better job. Whoever said they should be killed is taking it a bit far don't you think? We want CCP to work harder with less stupid avoidable bugs, not quit in fear.Taikun
Someone said it here. I was a bit off adding the families though I will admit.
I will quote for maximum effect:
Originally by: Taikun
Perhaps one day the moron in CCP blocking basic interface improvement from happening will either die, quit, get fired, get promoted, or get hired by Al Quedea. Only THEN there will be some movement of this and other issues. (God willing.)
It's amazing how long it has taken me to find that comment. It looks to have been exaggerated through the years of searching but the core message is still present  |
YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.12.17 07:19:00 -
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Looks like I've missed quite some party here
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2008.12.17 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Please be respectful of others all the time.Applebabe
What in the name of... Applebabe, why the heck did you edit his post?
Reported to CCP: Quote:
Reported due to Applebabe's unwarranted edit. All that Ray said was "Who cares what your question is? You have no place in this community." Contrast with Taikun's unedited post in the earlier thread (which got moved by an anonymous mod ): "Please keep the details of your personal failings in life private and out of the market forums. Nobody cares."
I'm detecting moderator bias. Please fix this.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.12.17 07:25:00 -
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Frenden, I've long given up trying to reason with the moderation of these boards.
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.17 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Frenden, I've long given up trying to reason with the moderation of these boards.
ISD Moderation was way more fun and they did a better job. IMHO. :)
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Taikun
Gallente
20th Legion
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.17 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 17/12/2008 07:39:50
Originally by: Ricdics
It looks to have been exaggerated through the years of searching but the core message is still present
LOL yes! My comments tend to take on a life of their own well after they have left the confines of my mind.
Core message: Get rid of the dead weight CCP. I don't care how or where they go but this game will not improve until you get proactive about expunging those guilty of incompetent coding.
I am just a bit more flamboyant with my choice words.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.17 08:48:00 -
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Is stapler boy still posting?
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.12.17 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Is stapler boy still posting?
I rather think he bashes his face against the keyboard until satisfied with the level of vitriol.
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Damien Jax
Industrial Research College Ltd
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Posted - 2008.12.17 15:33:00 -
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Geez Taikun, it's a wonder why everyone in the world doesn't hire you. You seem to have an answer (or opinion at least) about how everything should be done. Anyway, lets stay on topic here please (I wouldn't want to report you *jokes*).
I don't think losing Hexxx is so much of a brain drain as it's more of a personality drain on MD. While Hexxx's posts are usually insightful and I graetly respect him, I know there are others here that can and do provide a similar level of insightfulness. It's just that when Hexxx posts, as was mentioned previously, he had a tendency to make people stop and read it.
There are several others around here that I always read when they post. Then there are those that I read and I just cringe and move on... It's just a matter of gaining the same level of community respect that Hexxx had.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.12.17 16:17:00 -
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less structure and more serious business
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Amarr Citizen 155
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.17 16:41:00 -
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I'd like to thank CCP for ****ing me off on these forums to the point that I find myself doing non-eve related things more. I used to spend several hours a day on these forums but now I've gone back to other hobbies instead. Yesterday I finished a book I had been wanting to read for a long time. And when I get the urge to come to MD and read/post, I go to the ebank forums instead or I do something more constructive with my time such as play fetch with one of my dogs outside.
Thanks to those of you who made this all possible.
Quote:
Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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Damien Jax
Industrial Research College Ltd
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Posted - 2008.12.17 19:17:00 -
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Careful Amarr Citizen, they don't like it when you talk about their modding activity... also, someone around here might report you for bringing personal stuff into MD...
BTW, I knew Hexxx coudln't stay away from the activity, he's all over the ebank forum :P
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Brigitte Helm
Minmatar
Flying Fox Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.17 19:23:00 -
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Thx Shar,
Wouldn't have know about this if I hadnt seen it in this forum. End of an era...
Hug a Carebear, Kill a pirate, squish a Rat, and tickle a dev.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.12.18 05:52:00 -
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I think we shall all remember Hexx as the guy who didn't let a stapler dance across his keyboard, causing him to cry for ages about it on these forums, leading to the above quoted material.
At least, that's how I remember Hexx.
Who was it that let that happen again? I can't quite recall... I could swear no one liked the guy though. I wish I had a better memory. I just remember he posted a lot but never said much. Anyone know who I'm talking about?
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Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.18 06:25:00 -
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Edited by: Astorothe on 18/12/2008 06:24:49
I don't think any one persons involvement on this particular forum will have much of an effect on the actual market.
It sure has an effect on the quality and enjoyment of reading these forums though :)
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