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Odotheus
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.17 23:47:00 -
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If this is posted elsewhere I apologize. I have been doing a lot of reading and I am sure the answer has been through my mind several times over but I am missing it.
How do I know what levels of PE and ME research to do on a variety of different BPO's? What is the "norm" or "rule of thumb" for each individual BPO?
What levels of PE and ME research will result in the best BPC's of a BPO without doing unnecessary researching?
Thanks
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Salvis Tallan
Gallente
The Shadow Order
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.12.17 23:56:00 -
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Im going to push Pwetts 39-biased agenda
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Odotheus
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.18 00:07:00 -
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I thank both you and Pwett.
Pwett gave me the answer in another post and it is so simple that I didn't get it.  Not that I'm simple minded or anything.
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 01:24:00 -
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20/20 is a good average. More than me 20 is a waste of time imo.
War. War never changes.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.18 02:21:00 -
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2 is much better than 1.
And I can really not see any reason to stop at 10 instead of going the whole month on cruisers and such.
As the guy above said going over 20 isnt worth it though. But I take all my short stuff up to 50 anyway.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Xindi Kraid
Cerulean Sky Fire Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.18 03:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Ghoest
2 is much better than 1.
And I can really not see any reason to stop at 10 instead of going the whole month on cruisers and such.
As the guy above said going over 20 isnt worth it though. But I take all my short stuff up to 50 anyway.
The reason getting it higer than 20 is because the ME and PE formulas are inverse formulas. ME1 halves waste
ME2 gives you 25% waste but when you get to 10 or 20 one more point of ME or PE only takes a hundredth of a percent off.
Lab time isn't free so the time you spent to reduce the mineral requirement by 1 ends up costing you more than that single mineral would.
That and lab slots are limited, so those of you who insist on 100 ME are the reason labs are never open
-Xindi Kraid
CSFI lead engineer and shipwright
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:48:00 -
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I know why you dont want me training 100. Im just saying its not in my interest.
The time difference between 20 and 50 is small(on little stuff) relative to the time I have to wait between jobs. Id rather get 50 and if I go for a shorter time I wont see any difference because no one else is.
You plan your research with your Pollyanna altruism ideals. Ill plan mine to make me happy.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Arcanoil
Corsairs Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 20:11:00 -
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Personaly i use ME 100 / PE 100 for normaly module, ME30 / PE30 for ship. and ME2 for capital ship.
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Sunicro Starweaver
Transilience Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.18 21:16:00 -
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ME/PE Levels as previously stated is a cost balance. Depends on where you do your research and how long you want to wait to begin production.
Optimal is the general level that is considered the best bang for the buck between research and mineral savings.
You can check out the BP Inventory sheet in my signature and it will give you the Perfect(Optimal) for every T1 BPO in the game. However it is still your decision on how far to take any individual BPO.
Hope that helps get you going.
Plan for tomorrow, Strive for Today, can't let anxiety get in our way, so play play play!
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.12.18 23:33:00 -
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Eve-MEEP is quite good at determining the best ME to shoot for. If the "ideal ME" for some minerals is something reasonable like 50 or below, I'll generally get it there to get 0 waste in that mineral, but if it's much higher than that, I won't bother. Basically past 10-20 or so, the waste savings get very small. You could get by on most things by getting it to 1 to 5. You'll get the highest benefits in the first few levels.
PE seems to not give much benefit past 10 to 20 either. If you're doing large batches, the fractions of a second might add up, but otherwise, it's not really worth it.
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Sky Mart
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Posted - 2008.12.19 06:17:00 -
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http://zofu.no-ip.de/bpo
best site I've found for deciding how much ME is enough for each blue print type.
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Braaage
Ministry of Craft
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Posted - 2008.12.19 08:29:00 -
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This is one of my pet peeves with Eve-Online players.
Rather than actually look at the difference 1ME or 1PE will make to a BPO they just throw it in for stupid amounts.
There's absolutely no reason to research any BPO past ME35, if you think there is then the only person you're fooling is yourself.
My own personal ME guide:
Tech 2 - average ME2 - highest ME6
Tech 1 component BPOs - ME25
Tech 1 module BPOs - ME25
Tech 1 ship BPOs - from ME25 to 35 adjusting with the size of the ship (so BS get ME35)
Go past those figures and you might still gain on the odd one or two minerals but offset by the time the BPO is in the lab or costing you money is a waste of time.
PE I always go to 20 and for some BPOs that in itself is waaaaaaay too much.
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Sky Mart
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Posted - 2008.12.31 21:46:00 -
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exactly the reason I listed the site. Some of my BPO's are at 0 waste by the time I hit 5ME others still have quite a bit of waste at 60ME.... Use the site I listed, and run several ME options and decide for you what an acceptable loss is in minerals vs. cost time to research and lost revenue for not producing it while its in research. Seldom is it worth it to go to 0 loss....for example you might on a bpo have 1 trit loss at 10ME and have to go to 200ME to have 0 trit loss....a total waste....in this example somewhere around 5ME is probably plenty. After all is saving 1 trit(last I checked about 4ISK) worth the cost of months of research...defintely not. Now if your selling BPC 1 ME higher than your competition is worth it
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