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Barker Haines Dark Ace Industries Bitches - Bints and Battleships 0	Posted - 2012.04.12 12:18:00 - [1] - Quote Hi all I just want to find out the benefit of having a Survey Scanner and not completely mining an asteroid. I read somewhere, that if you over-mine a system, other systems will be replenished faster than that system (or something to that effect). Could someone elaborate?
Vircomore Amilupar EntroPrelatial Industria EntroPraetorian Aegis 10	Posted - 2012.04.12 12:40:00 - [2] - Quote Barker Haines wrote: Hi al I just want to find out the benefit of having a Survey Scanner and not completely mining an asteroid. I read somewhere, that if you over-mine a system, other systems will be replenished faster than that system (or something to that effect) Could someone elaborate? The real benefits of a Survey Scanner are 1. Determining roughly "how depleted" a belt is 2. If you're an Orca pilot running a Corp Op, then you can calculate how many minerals your corp will be able to bring in if they strip the belt 3. Smart-cycling Strip Miners --Let's say your strip miner brings in 3,000 Pyroxeres every complete cycle --You Survey Scan, and realize that there's only 500 Pyro left in the rock --Instead of letting your Strip Miner run the full 3 minutes, you can stop t
Barker Haines Dark Ace Industries Bitches - Bints and Battleships 0	Posted - 2012.04.12 12:46:00 - [3] - Quote Ahh that does make sense. Thanks!
Droxlyn TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate 72	Posted - 2012.04.12 12:48:00 - [4] - Quote I use my survey scanner to group the asteroids by type. Knowing how many units are in the roid is just bonus. Here's a simple mining tracker to help. I found that it made a lot of busy work to be perfect. http://www.imarvintpa.com/eve/Mining.php Drox
Barker Haines Dark Ace Industries Bitches - Bints and Battleships 0	Posted - 2012.04.12 12:52:00 - [5] - Quote Droxlyn wrote: I use my survey scanner to group the asteroids by type. Knowing how many units are in the roid is just bonus. Here's a simple mining tracker to help. I found that it made a lot of busy work to be perfect. http://www.imarvintpa.com/eve/Mining.php Drox Thats a pretty interesting tool. Definitely gonna use it.
Gallinari EVE University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2012.04.12 20:40:00 - [6] - Quote As everyone else has said, it saves time and time is money :)
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 596	Posted - 2012.04.12 21:31:00 - [7] - Quote I don't usually bother with a scanner on the mining ships, though I do often fit one to a belt scouting ship. Any fast frigate with a MWD will do (Covert Ops are perfect for the job, as they can also be used for finding gravimetric sites). Such a ship easily fits in the ship maintenance hangar of an Orca, so a Hulk pilot can switch to being a scout for the next belt. When using 2 Orcas, one to boost and one to haul, I'll use the other Orca's fitting service to fit a scanner. I always keep a scanner in the corporate hanger (along with a selection of other useful modules, paste, and spare drones and crystals). The scanning person can tag the asteroids of interest for all fleet members to see on the overview, if they add the tag column.
Emma Royd Jupiter Industries C0LD Fusion 108	Posted - 2012.04.13 04:54:00 - [8] - Quote I fit one probably more for posterity's sake, (I've always just had one fitted to a hulk) it's rare I remember to use them though It'd be nice if they increased the range of them, I can mine up to 29.4km but the survey scanner II only has a range of 22km
D3F4ULT 35	Posted - 2012.04.13 06:13:00 - [9] - Quote We have a pilot in our fleet that has one that usually scans and lets us know if we need to stop our rotation on a particular rock. Quite useful. Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs )
Velicitia Open Designs 827	Posted - 2012.04.13 12:45:00 - [10] - Quote Emma Royd wrote: I fit one probably more for posterity's sake, (I've always just had one fitted to a hulk) it's rare I remember to use them though It'd be nice if they increased the range of them, I can mine up to 29.4km but the survey scanner II only has a range of 22km yeah, but then the orca/rorq would have scan ranges that are just silly...

Do'Mai BlackWing Cartel 0	Posted - 2012.04.13 13:10:00 - [11] - Quote Emma Royd wrote: I fit one probably more for posterity's sake, (I've always just had one fitted to a hulk) it's rare I remember to use them though It'd be nice if they increased the range of them, I can mine up to 29.4km but the survey scanner II only has a range of 22km How did you increase your distance to 29.4km?
Do'Mai BlackWing Cartel 0	Posted - 2012.04.13 13:11:00 - [12] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Emma Royd wrote: I fit one probably more for posterity's sake, (I've always just had one fitted to a hulk) it's rare I remember to use them though It'd be nice if they increased the range of them, I can mine up to 29.4km but the survey scanner II only has a range of 22km yeah, but then the orca/rorq would have scan ranges that are just silly... They could always decrease the range for the Orca and Rorq. And honestly would it really matter if they did have insane range? An Orca can already has the range to scan an entire belt.
Velicitia Open Designs 827	Posted - 2012.04.13 13:36:00 - [13] - Quote Do'Mai wrote: Velicitia wrote: Emma Royd wrote: I fit one probably more for posterity's sake, (I've always just had one fitted to a hulk) it's rare I remember to use them though It'd be nice if they increased the range of them, I can mine up to 29.4km but the survey scanner II only has a range of 22km yeah, but then the orca/rorq would have scan ranges that are just silly... They could always decrease the range for the Orca and Rorq. And honestly would it really matter if they did have insane range? An Orca can already has the range to scan an entire belt. true, but then again ... just throw it on the orca/rorq and strip the belt clean...
Vircomore Amilupar EntroPrelatial Industria EntroPraetorian Aegis 11	Posted - 2012.04.13 14:05:00 - [14] - Quote Do'Mai wrote: Emma Royd wrote: I fit one probably more for posterity's sake, (I've always just had one fitted to a hulk) it's rare I remember to use them though It'd be nice if they increased the range of them, I can mine up to 29.4km but the survey scanner II only has a range of 22km How did you increase your distance to 29.4km? I'm guessing he's rolling with an Orca booster running 2 (or 3) Laser Range Ganglinks.
Urgg Boolean Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2012.04.13 21:53:00 - [15] - Quote Barker Haines wrote: Hi all I just want to find out the benefit of having a Survey Scanner and not completely mining an asteroid. I read somewhere, that if you over-mine a system, other systems will be replenished faster than that system (or something to that effect). Could someone elaborate? Edit: I am new so please excuse the Newbish type question :) I never use them. It takes more clicks, which means more keyboard focus, but if you cycle your strip miners as fast as the cap allows, you don't need a Survey Scanner to harvest effciently withou wasting cycle time on a depleted roid. Skills make a big difference as a noob retriever pilot cannot do it this way else they burn out their cap and can't restart the strip miners on time. In our mining ops, each hulk is dedicated to specific ore types and carry appropriate crystals. So between the max-rate strip miner cycling, and dedicated ore types per hulk, the Orca pilot does not have to direct traffic too much. And with this approach, we suck down belts plenty fast, eventhough with more active conscious effort, you may be able to go faster, of course using more traditional methods with a survey scanner.
Nub Sauce State War Academy Caldari State 34	Posted - 2012.04.13 22:20:00 - [16] - Quote Sometimes when I'm down to just 2 roids of their type in range, I check to see which has more in it. Then, I put two of the three beams on that one so I can finish them off a bit faster. I also use it to sort roids by type and its range roughly matches the strip miner range, too. Overall, pretty handy.
Kale Eledar Mining and Industrial Services The Irukandji 23	Posted - 2012.04.15 20:42:00 - [17] - Quote Pretty much everyone has nailed it on the head. It prevents you from mining an asteroid that has only 5m3 of ore left on it, and having your cycle end and you getting basicaly nothing for 3 minutes of sitting there. The Irukandji is recruiting PVP pilots! APPLY NAO. You won't regret it. See our info at : -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70811&find=unread
Leto Atraities Ministry of War Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2012.04.15 22:35:00 - [18] - Quote Barker Haines wrote: Hi all I just want to find out the benefit of having a Survey Scanner and not completely mining an asteroid. I read somewhere, that if you over-mine a system, other systems will be replenished faster than that system (or something to that effect). Could someone elaborate? Edit: I am new so please excuse the Newbish type question :) you touched on something that nobody is really answering. a few years back it was fairly common to be told to not completely kill rocks so that after down time they will fully be back to max count of units. that way you can keep said system full. more of a issue if you're a renter indy corp in null sec and your corp paying rent for like only a system or two or even sharing one system. so in that specific aspect the survey scanner was really useful for keeping system belts healthy. but this was before the great bot take over and system upgrades. so now as mentioned it helps to save cycles for your crystals.
Xuixien Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance 22	Posted - 2012.04.16 00:59:00 - [19] - Quote Lots of "ore respawn myths" in this thread. We always strip the Pyroxeres in our system. No grooming what so ever. And every day after downtime we log on to find more beautiful Pyroxeres rocks waiting for us. Each rock has a respawn point and will be respawned after down time. This is what creates the illusion that "grooming" works. Stoic Assembly Lines is a herd of rabid storks looking for new and experienced players. We mine, build things, and shoot people. We are growing fast and preparing to open low-sec operations. PvP capable Indy/mission pilots inquire within. http://sto1c.blogspot.com/p/home.html
Ditra Vorthran State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.04.16 19:33:00 - [20] - Quote Leto Atraities wrote: you touched on something that nobody is really answering. a few years back it was fairly common to be told to not completely kill rocks so that after down time they will fully be back to max count of units. that way you can keep said system full. more of a issue if you're a renter indy corp in null sec and your corp paying rent for like only a system or two or even sharing one system. so in that specific aspect the survey scanner was really useful for keeping system belts healthy. IGÇÖve seen this depletion effect. I use to run in a system (that will remain unnamed) that use to have asteroids ranging from 20-30k at the high end to 5-10k at the low end. Then the bots came. The average ore amount per asteroid dropped to 10-15k and 2-5k respectively. To the best of my understanding, if you completely mine out a belt, it will respawn, but with a lesser amount of ore per asteroid. The more often a belt gets totally depleted, the lower the rate. The key is that it has to be completely wiped out. If you leave asteroids, it will reappear more or less the same. At least that is what my personal observations have found. Eventually, the bots left, and asteroid sizes returned to normal. Edited for English fail...

Velicitia Open Designs 838	Posted - 2012.04.16 20:02:00 - [21] - Quote Xuixien wrote: Lots of "ore respawn myths" in this thread. We always strip the Pyroxeres in our system. No grooming what so ever. And every day after downtime we log on to find more beautiful Pyroxeres rocks waiting for us. Each rock has a respawn point and will be respawned after down time. This is what creates the illusion that "grooming" works. it's more of a holdover from WAY back in the past when rocks spawned on Monday and Friday. Depleted rocks respawned at (IIRC) minimum spawn volume (say the equivalent of 1-1.5 cycles) ... rocks that had a little ore left in them would grow at a somewhat accelerated rate.
Rebecca Dub Pandora Solutions 0	Posted - 2012.04.16 21:51:00 - [22] - Quote Two quick questions : 1) Can an orca run two of the same link and add the bonuses- EFT shows the second has no effect... 2) With an Orca and a snigle T2 range mining link on an orca the max range is 25.6 - is there a way to get a survey scanner to "see" that far?
Jorma Amatin The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.04.17 01:41:00 - [23] - Quote Role Bonus: 250% bonus to Tractor Beam range 100% bonus to Tractor Beam velocity 500% bonus to Survey Scanner range 99% reduction in CPU need for Gang Link modules Can use 3 Gang Link modules simultaneously So yes, Orcas can run 3 simultaneously, I expect there's a stacking penalty just like everything else. See the role bonuses as to how you can get the survey scanner to see that far. The reason for the extended range is also useful in grav sites... WH sites have their roids spread all over, and it's useful to have one ship which can catch the quantities of ore from all over and determine which to go for.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 360	Posted - 2012.04.17 01:57:00 - [24] - Quote according to EveHQ, you can only run one of each type at a time. But I've got no idea if that's actually accurate. However, if it isn't, surely running the cycle time link multiple times is the most useful. More benefit, if you have the cap to support it. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.
Styth spiting Ion Corp. Citex Alliance 22	Posted - 2012.04.17 02:04:00 - [25] - Quote Rebecca Dub wrote: Two quick questions : 1) Can an orca run two of the same link and add the bonuses- EFT shows the second has no effect... 2) With an Orca and a snigle T2 range mining link on an orca the max range is 25.6 - is there a way to get a survey scanner to "see" that far? As Jorma said about the survey scanner the Orca gets a bonus to scanners (500%). And no you don't get any additional bonus for running more then one of the same gank link module. I'm not sure if you can even fit two of the same ganklink module, but regardless of if you can there is not any type of extra bonus. only bonuses orca has to benefit mining yield is: T2 gank link * mining director * industrial command ship * warfare link specialist * mindlink implant. 2.5 * 5 * 1.15 * 1.5 *1.5 = cycle time. or increase in range for mining lasers. + 15% mining yield
Rebecca Dub Pandora Solutions 0	Posted - 2012.04.17 08:57:00 - [26] - Quote Hi Guys, Thanks for the responses. I wans't quite clear regarding question 2; with an Orca a Hulk can reach 25.6 Km out, but a survey scanner II only goes 22.5. Is there any way to extend the range oif a hulks scanner?


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