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UD549	Posted - 2008.12.23 09:13:00 - [1] Hey ppl I like my torp raven but every time I join an op my fellow corp/alliance members are disapointed in my bs selection because they all rr armor. I like flying my raven but I also want to help my corp/alliance. Should I start training amarr/gal or should I just keep flying my raven?
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.12.23 09:19:00 - [2] Outdamage them with Torps from 20k away and laugh at them. You can plate a raven, and fit ECM in the mids! ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.23 09:28:00 - [3] Something like this: [Raven, armor RR] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Target Painter II Target Painter II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Ancillary Current Router I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 450 dps, some decent ewar, and enough of an armor buffer for your gang to get reps on you before you pop. -----------
Miss Rumpelstilzchen Minmatar Black Horizon Ltd	Posted - 2008.12.23 09:28:00 - [4] just a idea: [Raven, RR Armor] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Target Painter II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Siege Missile Launcher II, Siege Missile Launcher II, Siege Missile Launcher II, Siege Missile Launcher II, Siege Missile Launcher II, Siege Missile Launcher II, Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I and yes you need the 3 Current routers
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.12.23 09:29:00 - [5] I knew someone would post setups, since I don't actually fly caldari BS's ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
UD549	Posted - 2008.12.23 09:52:00 - [6] Thanks for all the feedback on an armor buffer tank raven setups. I've never even seen setup like that. My normal pvp raven is: (all T2) H:6x Siege M:2x Invuls 3xboostamps 1xXLbooster L:3xBCU 2xCPU Rigs:3xCDOS1 TP drones Might have to start training up my armor skills.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.12.23 11:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Something like this: [Raven, armor RR] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Target Painter II Target Painter II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Ancillary Current Router I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 450 dps, some decent ewar, and enough of an armor buffer for your gang to get reps on you before you pop. What failfit is this? It is expensive and has a stupid low armor tank for rr ops,if enemy calls you primary (as caldari ships are always primary in an armor rr gang)you will melt fast or cap out your buddies trying to keep you alive. The minimum tank for an armor rr op looks like this: 2x 1600plate 2xeamn 1xdamage controll + rigs if you can afford those webs on rr bs? no competent enemy will come close,if they do then neuts /drones will kill them. 2x tp is okayish i would go with 1 if there are more ravens with me and use damps/tracking disruptors or cap recharger for rr 2x large remote rep? it will be very hard to have enough cap for even one ,and you will run out of cap charges too fast the rigs you posted are more expensive than the whole fit of the raven+insurance and gives so little for such a high price --> useless oh and use rr drones 5 med +5 warriors Whith no ballistic controlls your raven wont do much dmg , you are better to train out the typhoon or geddon or domi for rr gangs, and leave the raven home.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.23 11:21:00 - [8] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/12/2008 11:22:16 Originally by: Naomi Knight The minimum tank for an armor rr op looks like this: 2x 1600plate 2xeamn 1xdamage controll + rigs if you can afford those Congratulations, now you have less dps than an average cruiser (note: not even a BC), so why exactly did you bring a battleship? With zero damage mods, a Raven is just a joke. Quote: webs on rr bs? no competent enemy will come close,if they do then neuts /drones will kill them. Good luck doing worthwhile damage with battleship missiles if you don't have a web/painter. Quote: 2x large remote rep? it will be very hard to have enough cap for even one ,and you will run out of cap charges too fast Then don't run both of them if you don't have to. You've got a second spare high slot, so you might as well fit a second rep in case you need it. Quote: Whith no ballistic controlls your raven wont do much dmg , you are better to train out the typhoon or geddon or domi for rr gangs, and leave the raven home. Exactly. The Raven is terrible for armor RR gangs. The setup I posted was an attempt to make a somewhat less-bad setup, but it's really just a hopeless cause. -----------
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.23 11:26:00 - [9] What single minded friends you have... I mean, ONLY Armor tankers in corp? thats what I'll call homogen [boring?] No doubt cap/rep amount is best for armor but it got enough disadvantages to be en par with Shields. [and dont give me EM/Therm being most used dmg types....use hardeners or something] Perhaps I should really remain missiles and go all way for explosive.
Naomi Knight Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.12.23 11:31:00 - [10] Edited by: Naomi Knight on 23/12/2008 11:31:21 But the reason for rr gangs is to keep all bs alive,by having enough ehp to let your buddies lock and rep you and have enough resists to not cap them out. Thats the basic you should fit for and doing it on a raven makes it completly unable to dish out acceptable dmg. Thatwhy I would never recommend a raven in rr armor ops or other caldari bs. Ive seen many bs die to pos guns because tank was not enough for rr gang,those were the fail fits. Learn the other races bses and you will be much more usefull for less isk.
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.23 11:31:00 - [11] hey now! naomi and merin have no reason to fight lol every RR (armor) raven i see looks similar to merin's a dc doesn't really mean much when ur RR'ing u kno? most fits i see tho have two eanms.. but like... nitpicky much? expensive? ur in a shiny shiny shiny we-all-rock-so-we-can-all-rock and it-works-as-long-as-no-one-cheaps-out gang "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.23 11:35:00 - [12] to be honest, i know it's hard to run an RR gang, it's so complicated and perfect communication is required, but when it works... it's beautiful. I've been wondering... and I've been testing this out with my friends, we been trying every thing remote lately, remote sebos, remote Reps remote ECCM energy transfers tracking links in conjuction with an EOS with intel warfare links (we run an all gal gang for **s... those falcons.. are umm.. not with us) anyway, back on topic. everything remote works better that local, but it all depends on the chain, Like the SPARTANS in 300!! it feels pretty good, no? "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that *** up"
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.12.23 11:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Exactly. The Raven is terrible for armor RR gangs. The setup I posted was an attempt to make a somewhat less-bad setup, but it's really just a hopeless cause. for once merin your setup wasnt totally fail ;) however, dcII in for the EanmII and your set. - DAMT - If you dont know, well, you dont know!
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.23 11:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Orion GUardian What single minded friends you have... I mean, ONLY Armor tankers in corp? thats what I'll call homogen [boring?] No doubt cap/rep amount is best for armor but it got enough disadvantages to be en par with Shields. [and dont give me EM/Therm being most used dmg types....use hardeners or something] Perhaps I should really remain missiles and go all way for explosive Unfortunately shield RR gangs are a joke unless you've got capital support. Of the shield tanking battleships, only the Raven has spare highs for RR mods (Malestrom and Rokh need all 8x guns). I guess in theory you could also force a Dominix or Tempest to shield tank in a RR gang, but I suspect it would be a pretty ugly setup. -----------
Moonmonkey	Posted - 2008.12.23 12:03:00 - [15] Repair drones imo are a must.
Isa Spike Caldari Daala Spaceworks	Posted - 2008.12.23 17:40:00 - [16] The Raven can be fine for RR BS gangs, obviously it's not going to be top damage dealer. Take a few seconds to get over that and then fit your ship correctly. DCU, 2x EANM, 2x 1600 RTs and 3x Trimarks. "OMG no damage mods? Boo hoo hoo." Your mids can be w/e, but one thing Ravens can do is hit to stupid ranges with a decent alpha. Read: Falcon shooting. So, 2x ECCM, 2x Sensor Booster, 1x Med Injector, 1x MWD Highs: 6x CMLs, 2x Large Solace reps. Drones can be w/e, personally I like Warriors and Valks. In RR gangs damage is not the primary concern, surviving is, if you fit damage mods because your e-peen can't handle not being on the top of kill mails and then you die because the RR is ineffective...well all your DPS means absolutely nothing.
Captator Universal Securities Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.12.23 18:00:00 - [17] Edited by: Captator on 23/12/2008 18:03:06 [Raven, armor tanked siege] Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Warp Disruptor II Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Ancillary Current Router I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Torp fitted armor plated fit, maxes out at 95k EHP in gang, 860 dps. For best results run with a damnation and 3 links in the gang. edit: some terrible fits posted above me
P'uck	Posted - 2008.12.23 18:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Congratulations, now you have less dps than an average cruiser (note: not even a BC), so why exactly did you bring a battleship? With zero damage mods, a Raven is just a joke. Because it has a ****load of meds for whatever kind of EWAR. Sure - the raven isnt the bestest choice for an RR gang that usually focus on armor, but you can plate it, still. It can be a better choice than training for something else or bringing somethign smaller. Its a small niche, but it does exist, depending on your skillsheet.

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