• 10b total value


• The whole of the bond funds held by Ebank, Chribba, or equivalent trusted entity(not discussed with them yet)


• 6% monthly return


• 0.4% chance per month of total loss p=0.004 (based on objective out of game criteria)

• 5b total value


• The whole of the bond funds held by Ebank, Chribba, or equivalent trusted entity(not discussed with them yet)


• 20% monthly return


• 15% chance per month of total loss p=0.15 (based on objective out of game criteria)

Originally by: Ricdics

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So your bonds have a chance of failure based on external criteria that investors are not privvy too?

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Originally by: Ambo

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You've put the decimal point in the wrong place havn't you?

You meant 4%, not 0.4% surely.

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Originally by: Professor Bunsen

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Originally by: Ambo

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You've put the decimal point in the wrong place havn't you?

You meant 4%, not 0.4% surely.

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I don't think so. Check my working.

p=1 = 100%
p=0.01 = 1%
p=0.001 = 0.1%
p=0.004 = 0.4%

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To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Ricdics

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You might as well just run a regulated pyramid scheme. Once the pyramid collapses the player/s left are the losers. As long as it's clearly defined in the business plan it should actually take off.

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Originally by: Ambo

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It seems that this is essentially a gamble.

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Originally by: Professor Bunsen

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Edited by: Professor Bunsen on 23/12/2008 19:18:58
It's not a pyramid or anything dodgy. In fact its not anything right now, just wanted feedback before I got too far down a thought process. As noted above if the bond failure event occurs bond investors will lose the capital. Thats not scheme failure or scam, just a recognition that bond failure event will (probably) occur.

It seems bond A would fly, bond B less certain to sell. I may have to tweek my profit/risk offering.

Lex, I would be grateful to chat to you in game, I'll drop you a convo

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Originally by: Nahkep Narmelion

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Originally by: Ambo

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It seems that this is essentially a gamble.

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Welcome to the wonderful world of financial markets, you now understand their fundamentals.

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Originally by: Lexander Morinex

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E[A] = SUM FROM 1 to INFINITY (((.06 * I) - 1)*(.96)^I*(.04))
E[B] = SUM FROM 1 to INFINITY (((.20 * I) - 1)*(.85)^I*(.15))

The expected longterm return for A is approximately 33.4%.
The expected longterm return for B is approximately 13.3%.

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Originally by: Packtu'sa

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This isn't a bond, or even an investment opportunity. It's a lottery, and advertising it as anything else is misleading. A bond or other investment does everything it can to prevent failure; it never says "well, if this happens, then maybe I'll just keep all the money".

If you create a lottery game and market it as such, there are certainly those in EVE who will buy in, but this is the wrong place to be advertising it.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Not necessarily, I've been toying with the idea of running a lottery based off of Powerball for a little while now.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Not necessarily, I've been toying with the idea of running a lottery based off of Powerball for a little while now.

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Originally by: Packtu'sa

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Not necessarily, I've been toying with the idea of running a lottery based off of Powerball for a little while now.

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That's still nothing new to EVE. A legitimate idea, yes, but it doesn't belong in Market Discussions in my opinion. It's like a stock broker trying to sell lottery tickets.

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