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Dimitrios Ypsilanti
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Posted - 2008.12.23 17:55:00 -
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Hi,
I'm using at phoon for level 4 missions. The ship is up to the task so far but not very efficient. Level 4 missions take more than an hour. I'm thinking of switching to the Vargur.
Is it worth it, or would I be better off with a Tempest or Maelstrom?
Thanks,
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Krustofsky
Minmatar
Das Turboversum
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Posted - 2008.12.23 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Krustofsky on 23/12/2008 18:30:32
CanŠt say something about the Vargur, but this thread may be useful to you.
Linkage
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Aldee
Federated Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.23 19:06:00 -
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I have never used a phoon in a mission so I can't tell how it compares. I used a tempest 1st for doing lvl 4 but didnt like its tank (not really meant for it) so I switched to a maelstrom and it tanked fine plus good damage but no way to salvage. Since I'n not very good at multitasking multiple chars I spent the isk on a Vargur and now I got it all.. damage, tank and salvaging.
Vargur wasn't to impressive until I got the marauder skill to lvl 4 then it tanked like the maelstrom and got all that extra tracking. I still haven't tried it with autocannons like it was made for but with the right hardwires and 1 powergrid rig it had no prob fitting 1200s T2 that can hit battleships and most cruisers with fairly high transversal speed. Even being webbed to a halt my 1200s had fast enough tracking to cut apart angel macherials orbiting me at close range. I still have the itch to try 800s but but been to lazy plus I like the range of emp from those 1200s like 85 km total range.
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Kandarus
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Posted - 2008.12.24 14:09:00 -
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Use Faction mods, more specificly Gyros.
With 800mm I can one volly (grouped guns) frigs approaching between 15-40km out. I am not using ambit rigs tho, i opted for ccc's to perma my shield booster. So, you can actually reach out to over 50km if you do go ambits.
At Maurauders 3 I can track anything with a radial velocity less than .053! The only ships that orbit at higher speeds are close range frigs and some cruisers orbiting at <2.5km from you. Just look at them and travel in their direction for a bit and you chew right through those. In short, anything that is on their way to you or orbiting at over 5km is toast.
PS: The 80rd clip size is real nice. I'm actually surprised sometimes when i'm prompted to reload before clearing a room. 
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Cyrus Brown
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Posted - 2008.12.24 14:45:00 -
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The Vargur is pretty terrible when compared to all other Marauders. CCP really needs to buff Minmatar as a whole.
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EFT Warrior
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Posted - 2008.12.24 14:49:00 -
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[Vargur, Pimped Angel Killer of Death]
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Tracking Enhancer
Tobias' Modified Tracking Enhancer
Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier
Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier
Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field
Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field
Cormack's Modified Tracking Computer, Tracking Speed
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Artillery, EMP L
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Artillery, EMP L
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Artillery, EMP L
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Artillery, EMP L
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Projectile Ambit Extension II
Projectile Ambit Extension II
Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x5
900 DPS tank (overkill of course), 1500 with crystal set and hardwires, only 900 dps up close, 300 dps at 45km due to falloff, has excellent tracking and you can get further range/dps by switching to T2 guns and using barrage, not to mention it's about 5 billion cheaper.
Will cost you a cool 16-17 billion, and a T2/faction setup is more than sufficient, but this is fun. I recommend getting T2 falloff rigs for it, the extra 5% is noticeable on this ship. Now for a realistic setup:
[Vargur, The Boring EFT Fit]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gistum B-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Cap Recharger II
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Projectile Ambit Extension II
Projectile Ambit Extension II
Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x4
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Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.12.24 14:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Hi,
I'm using at phoon for level 4 missions. The ship is up to the task so far but not very efficient. Level 4 missions take more than an hour. I'm thinking of switching to the Vargur.
Is it worth it, or would I be better off with a Tempest or Maelstrom?
Thanks,
For single account mission running the vargur will give the most isk/hour for the minmatar ships (although it won't be much faster then a phoon, but you can salvage while doing the mission with more ease).
That being said the paladin and golem really are significantly better.
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