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sukmanobov Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.12.24 18:38:00 - [1] Reading in another post about salvagers i have much respect for the skill they have chossen and it can be profitable. But people like suddenly NINJAS should not be alowed in the game or if they are they should alowed to be shot at as soon as they atempt a salvage on your "CLAIMED" wreck. Maritime law in Real Life states that if you find a wrecked or ship adrift in the open seas the the ship must be checked if there is already a claim of salvage from another company etc... I cliam all the salvages within my mission area (automatic done in EVE) and if some one wants to try and loot them then it should be against the law and killrights should be given (or atleast wrecking of there ship). If there bigger tougher than i am well thats bad luck for me. Maybe the player ship must have to drop a claim (probe) becon? such a device would have maybe a 100KM radus (making you have to think about keeping your wrecks in a set area). Only aloud within a "Standard" (not complexies as they area free for all areas) lvl 1 - 5 mission area. This device would have to take a medium slot (maybe high) so that you would also have to re-think your tank or gunnery setup if you wish to salvage your mission wrecks? P.s. its also your fualt if you choose a mission area like RENS, Pator, HEK, Dodixie (spelling?), Jita etc.. as there heavy in player usage and your gonna get scanned out and looters there. try outlying sectors Save your salvage/loot by a cheapo industral and take to the nearest HUB. P4HT-550 @ 3.6Ghz 850fsb, 8800GTX 768MB, 4GB OCZ 4.4.4.15, SB X-FI Platnium, P965 Asus, 700watt 12v @ 30amp, 100 - 150FPS, Premium Client AND THIS IS PREMIUM? More Detail PLZ
VJ Maverick Splinter Cell Alfa	Posted - 2008.12.24 19:03:00 - [2] Your name tickles me in a way that if Loretta tickled me in that way, I'd say "oh yeah, that's nice, that's the spot." --------
sukmanobov Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.12.24 19:08:00 - [3] Edited by: sukmanobov on 24/12/2008 19:07:44 Originally by: VJ Maverick Your name tickles me in a way that if Loretta tickled me in that way, I'd say "oh yeah, that's nice, that's the spot." Ha Ha Ha. it does get a few comments in local/corp :) -------------------------------------------- P4HT-550 @ 3.6Ghz 850fsb, 8800GTX 768MB, 4GB OCZ 4.4.4.15, SB X-FI Platnium, P965 Asus, 700watt 12v @ 30amp, 100 - 150FPS, AND THIS IS PREMIUM? more detai
Kurull Skullsplitter Minmatar Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2008.12.24 19:24:00 - [4] I think the basic idea has some merit to it.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.12.24 19:59:00 - [5] Originally by: sukmanobov But people like suddenly NINJAS should not be alowed in the game or if they are they should alowed to be shot at as soon as they atempt a salvage on your "CLAIMED" wreck. Why? Also, you can already claim a wreck: fit a salvager and activate it. Boom! Yours. No sig for me, thankyouverymuch.
Juelia Wolf	Posted - 2008.12.24 20:39:00 - [6] I run my missions in rens and ive not had any problems with people stealing my wrecks, but i run in my dominix and i salvage as i go. I win again!
Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force The Leathernecks	Posted - 2008.12.24 20:46:00 - [7] Well, you can only take the rl allusions so far. In RL wrecks don't vanish in 4 hours, etc. Second, you cite Maritime law, but not every country agrees on maritime law. Not every country makes the same effort enforcing what maritime law they do agree on, if at all. Third, maritime law requires your "salvager" be unarmed, So you can't fire on them even if you wanted to. If you can, then YOU are breaking the law too. Of course, since the "ninja salvager" is unconcerned about breaking the law, they can equip guns and fire on you, and as long as you can't summon help in time....that is the essence of piracy after all. A lot of piracy wouldn't happen if ships were armed. RW piracy is a serious problem, because abiding by the law creates more victims. So, we fall back on the REAL rule of the wilderness: Possession is 9/10 of the law. -- Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
Buga Buga Hecate Inferno	Posted - 2008.12.24 21:30:00 - [8] Strange you mention Rens.. never had a ninja salvager in my mission...
RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.12.24 22:45:00 - [9] Oh look another one. OP you allready have enough tools to deal with the 'problem' as you see it. The current situation regarding wreck ownership and agression is nicely balanced, working as intended. In the spirit of Christmass i wont call you names, but you deserve it. There was even talk of French toast But there was none to be had
Wreck X	Posted - 2008.12.24 22:49:00 - [10] If you're going to fit a high or mid module to mark wrecks as claimed then why not fit a salvager on your mission boat and clean up as you go?
Lyvanna Kitaen Minmatar Noonday Sun Corp	Posted - 2008.12.25 03:50:00 - [11] 1. Get mission Recon (3/3) 2. Bookmark mission 3. Give BM to ninja salvager 4. PROFIT!!! 5. Give BM to another mission runner 6. New mission runner goes to step 3.
Abyss Wyrm Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.25 04:12:00 - [12] As i said before already, ninja salvagers are good. They prey on weak, to make them stronger... or gone. Quote: Maritime law in Real Life states that if you find a wrecked or ship adrift in the open seas the the ship must be checked if there is already a claim of salvage from another company etc... Ehm... sooooo. Then if i kill guristas ship in game, it could be salvaged only by guristas?) The wreck should belong to guristas faction then. IRL if you destroy ship in open see, the only thing that you can claim, is last wish before you'll be detroyed as well))
Abyss Wyrm Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.25 04:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Lyvanna Kitaen 1. Get mission Recon (3/3) 2. Bookmark mission 3. Give BM to ninja salvager 4. PROFIT!!! 5. Give BM to another mission runner 6. New mission runner goes to step 3. No need even to give it. Fly to 3/3 recon, jump via gate, and stay there. It will be deadspcae still, so anyone who scan you there can warp only to first pocket. Use CNR and fit all meds with shield extenders. That'll help salvagers to scan you = )) If you want make thier life even harder, bring freighter to first pocket and leave it at warp in point. There will be a good chance that ninjas will bump at you after they warp in, and that'll makes even harder for them to warp out...
sukmanobov Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.12.25 05:25:00 - [14] Originally by: RedSplat Oh look another one. OP you allready have enough tools to deal with the 'problem' as you see it. The current situation regarding wreck ownership and agression is nicely balanced, working as intended. In the spirit of Christmass i wont call you names, but you deserve it. Go ahead get it of your chest and act like all the other A-Holes. i had a thought typed it and it got slated. Maybe it was a bad idea i do have them from time to time just like eveyone else. -------------------------------------------- P4HT-550 @ 3.6Ghz 850fsb, 8800GTX 768MB, 4GB OCZ 4.4.4.15, SB X-FI Platnium, P965 Asus, 700watt 12v @ 30amp, 100 - 150FPS, AND THIS IS PREMIUM? more detai
sukmanobov Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.12.25 05:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Iria Ahrens Because no one is being hurt by salvaging theft, Maritime law does not authorize any civilians to shoot on the thief. But you can sue if you can get the authorities to come in time to CAPTURE them. Of course, by the time the authorities arrive, the pirates are long gone. So you have to contact their lawyers. But their lawyers are in another country that does not recognize that law and has a no extradition policy. My choose of word may be wrong but heres a better explination Im not a Civi hence RMS Corp. my military training was called apone by the Justice Deptment to atack and kill Pirates/factions causing greaf within the minmatar empire. Thus it was military battle and the wrecks belonged to the military which i am. If you caught a known group a scavengers going over a tank wreck in real life and they had possible weapons you would ask them to leave if refused time after time then you would be aloud to shoot and you never shoot to wound. A wounded dog still has teeth. -------------------------------------------- P4HT-550 @ 3.6Ghz 850fsb, 8800GTX 768MB, 4GB OCZ 4.4.4.15, SB X-FI Platnium, P965 Asus, 700watt 12v @ 30amp, 100 - 150FPS, AND THIS IS PREMIUM? more detai
Lady Aja Caldari Ore Mongers	Posted - 2008.12.25 06:18:00 - [16] Originally by: sukmanobov Originally by: Iria Ahrens Because no one is being hurt by salvaging theft, Maritime law does not authorize any civilians to shoot on the thief. But you can sue if you can get the authorities to come in time to CAPTURE them. Of course, by the time the authorities arrive, the pirates are long gone. So you have to contact their lawyers. But their lawyers are in another country that does not recognize that law and has a no extradition policy. My choose of word may be wrong but heres a better explination Im not a Civi hence RMS Corp. my military training was called apone by the Justice Deptment to atack and kill Pirates/factions causing greaf within the minmatar empire. Thus it was military battle and the wrecks belonged to the military which i am. If you caught a known group a scavengers going over a tank wreck in real life and they had possible weapons you would ask them to leave if refused time after time then you would be aloud to shoot and you never shoot to wound. A wounded dog still has teeth. buy youre self 14 trillion match sticks. 154 metric tonnes of luquid glue. a deep lush valley.. then build a bridge and get over it... if you can gimmie youre stuff via contract. غتيال الموت أصدرته لقتل مو
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.25 12:24:00 - [17] Originally by: sukmanobov But people like suddenly NINJAS should not be alowed in the game Merry Christmas, Mr. Scrooge! We're Recruiting!
JordanParey Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.12.25 20:34:00 - [18] Just letting you know, being in a noob corp (RMS) is half your problem.
gogobeaver	Posted - 2008.12.25 20:44:00 - [19] well when i was ratting in .6 sec i killed a few ships and another dude started looting my wrecks and as soon as he did that i was able to open fire on his ship easy and wasnt owned by concord ships, think kill rights are a bit far though. just be wise about it i guess
greengimp7	Posted - 2008.12.25 20:53:00 - [20] I have always thought that salvaging should give you kill rights. The thing that annoys me most is when they pop in and you are still killing things. Side story Had a guy jump into my lvl 4 mission the other day and start salvaging my wrecks while i was there, I asked him to leave and he said no. So i went ahead and killed the trigger ship knowing that the next spawn had warp scramblers in it. LOL as soon as i killed it i warped out. I warped back after about 5 minutes and the guy wasn't there so i guessed i got my point across, but when i started salvaging my mission at the end hehe i found his wreck amoung my own, guess he didn't notice me warp out and got poped, o well there goes his 70 mil salvage ship.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.12.25 21:17:00 - [21] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 25/12/2008 21:23:40 Salvaging is not free loots for you. Salvaging is salvaging which is its own profession. You own the salvage in the wrecks no more than the hulk pilot owns the roids he's mining Post with your main so I can salvage the delicious wrecks. Amarr space please, tired of **ty salvage. Quote: I warped back after about 5 minutes and the guy wasn't there so i guessed i got my point across, but when i started salvaging my mission at the end hehe i found his wreck amoung my own, guess he didn't notice me warp out and got poped, o well there goes his 70 mil salvage ship. 70 mil? The only people whose salvage ships cost 70 mil are people who deck theirs out with salvage tackle rigs. Usually, only experienced ninjas who are very good at dodging aggro + warping out at the right time do this. Ergo, I conclude that his ship loss netted less than 5 mil. try again Originally by:** Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
sukmanobov Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.12.26 04:10:00 - [22] Originally by: gogobeaver well when i was ratting in .6 sec i killed a few ships and another dude started looting my wrecks and as soon as he did that i was able to open fire on his ship easy and wasnt owned by concord ships, think kill rights are a bit far though. just be wise about it i guess that was a loot not a salvage. salvage is free to all
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.28 01:04:00 - [23] Originally by: Kahega Amielden 70 mil? The only people whose salvage ships cost 70 mil are people who deck theirs out with salvage tackle rigs. Usually, only experienced ninjas who are very good at dodging aggro + warping out at the right time do this. Ergo, I conclude that his ship loss netted less than 5 mil. Confirming that my Prestige Salvage Ship (a Dramiel, if you please!) costs much, much more than 70M ISK. Decked out with two Overdrive II's, a Nanofiber Internal Structure II, a Small Shield Extender II, a Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner, three Salvager I's, a Small Tractor Beam I and a Prototype Cloaking Device I, it is the Pinnacle of Salvage Ships! But hey, I'm *Tchell Dahhn* for crying out loud. We're Recruiting!
echohead	Posted - 2008.12.28 01:30:00 - [24] The jerk meter is showing 15 megasnarks on in this thread "In the spirit of Christmass i wont call you names, but you deserve it." "buy youre self 14 trillion match sticks. 154 metric tonnes of liquid glue. a deep lush valley.. then build a bridge and get over it... if you cant gimmie youre stuff via contract" "Just letting you know, being in a noob corp (RMS) is half your problem." " 70 mil? The only people whose salvage ships cost 70 mil are people who deck theirs out with salvage tackle rigs. Usually, only experienced ninjas who are very good at dodging aggro + warping out at the right time do this. Ergo, I conclude that his ship loss netted less than 5 mil. try again" Why cannot people just be nice? I think the OP has a point that salvaging should flag people in my opinion. But at least you can kill them if they loot so thats something. Alot of these looters are in real corps and open to war decs, I know I have decced for less.
Lady Aja Caldari Ore Mongers	Posted - 2008.12.28 02:03:00 - [25] Originally by: echohead The jerk meter is showing 15 megasnarks on in this thread "In the spirit of Christmass i wont call you names, but you deserve it." "buy youre self 14 trillion match sticks. 154 metric tonnes of liquid glue. a deep lush valley.. then build a bridge and get over it... if you cant gimmie youre stuff via contract" "Just letting you know, being in a noob corp (RMS) is half your problem." " 70 mil? The only people whose salvage ships cost 70 mil are people who deck theirs out with salvage tackle rigs. Usually, only experienced ninjas who are very good at dodging aggro + warping out at the right time do this. Ergo, I conclude that his ship loss netted less than 5 mil. try again" Why cannot people just be nice? I think the OP has a point that salvaging should flag people in my opinion. But at least you can kill them if they loot so thats something. Alot of these looters are in real corps and open to war decs, I know I have decced for less. salvaging is working as intended NUFF SAID!!! the moment that CCP makes it an agroing action , then you guys are gonna cry like mad... OH WOE IS ME..! I Shoot them then they pwn my ass.. not fair. just like the carebears did when can flipping came into play. غتيال الموت أصدرته لقتل مو
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.28 03:20:00 - [26] Originally by: echohead The jerk meter is showing 15 megasnarks on in this thread Confirming that I did not show up on the Jerk-o-meter. We're Recruiting!
Jhagiti Tyran Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.12.28 03:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Suddenly Ninjas We support non consensual pvp and want more pvp in EVE! But don't give out kill rights so people can shoot at us!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.28 03:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran Originally by: Suddenly Ninjas We support non consensual pvp and want more pvp in EVE! But don't give out kill rights so people can shoot at us! So, The Church's stand is that Mission Runners should get the bounties, the loot and the salvage? We're Recruiting!
Jhagiti Tyran Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.12.28 04:21:00 - [29] Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 28/12/2008 04:23:28 Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran Originally by: Suddenly Ninjas We support non consensual pvp and want more pvp in EVE! But don't give out kill rights so people can shoot at us! So, The Church's stand is that Mission Runners should get the bounties, the loot and the salvage? Do not be silly and stop trying to put words into my mouth, I just find it amusing that you claim EVE should be a harsh dark world yet you do not want people to have the immediate option to fight for the salvage. If salvaging gave kill rights the same way that taking from a can does they then have the choice of either fighting for it or allowing you to take it unnopposed IE more pvp. Whether the mission runners deserve the bounties loot and salvage is irrelevant to me what I do think important is the fact that if they feel they want it bad enough they can fight over it which is good. PS This is not MORTs view just a personal opinion
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.28 04:57:00 - [30] Edited by: Tchell Dahhn on 28/12/2008 04:57:10 Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran Do not be silly and stop trying to put words into my mouth, I just find it amusing that you claim EVE should be a harsh dark world yet you do not want people to have the immediate option to fight for the salvage. Since you had manufactured a quote from my Corporation, I wanted to know if that was your Corp's stance or personal opinion, so I thank you for clearing up the question. As it is, yes, I do believe EvE should be a cold, dark place, yet CCP has made it their mission to create 'safeties' in all walks of Empire Space. Missioning and Mining are two of the safest occupations in EvE, and the significant (see: HUGE) nerf on scanning was a major turning point to my profession. When you reduce the effectiveness of scan probes by ~85% or more, you've already positioned the profession at a serious disadvantage, so we do, in fact, have to 'fight' for our right to salvage. Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran If salvaging gave kill rights the same way that taking from a can does they then have the choice of either fighting for it or allowing you to take it unnopposed IE more pvp. Opportunities are available to change the dynamic, no question about it, however, I'm of the mind that until CCP makes ALL space 'lowsec' (i.e. shoot 'em anywhere, at anytime) we're still in the right with the claim for salvage going to the quick. Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran Whether the mission runners deserve the bounties loot and salvage is irrelevant to me what I do think important is the fact that if they feel they want it bad enough they can fight over it which is good. Many MR's do, in fact, fight for their salvage, and I'm only sorry that the Concordokkens don't show up on our killboard... Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran PS This is not MORTs view just a personal opinion Just as an FYI, I never thought it was the Church's "Official" stance, but again, I do appreciate you clearing that up. We're Recruiting!

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