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DukeBC
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Posted - 2008.12.26 14:45:00 -
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I know cerberus and ishtar r the popular choices, but how about sacrilege(Amarr)? It s a missle HAC and it s speed s not low, wouldn't it be the best HAC to play PvE with??
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Xori Ruscuv
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.12.26 14:46:00 -
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Zealot is great against Sansha/Bloods, too.
I'm not familiar enough with the Sac to help you there, though.
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DukeBC
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Posted - 2008.12.26 14:58:00 -
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i somehow have the impression that missle boats r genenrally better than gun boats against rats an npc(assuming similar level of sp in either, that is)....maybe that s wrong
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Rennion
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Posted - 2008.12.26 14:59:00 -
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Ishtar all the way imo. Can run plexs, can do lvl 4's, can rat without ammo/guns leaving room for salvage and lewt.
Also you can switch between armour and shield tank on it to suit the rat type.
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Xephys
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Posted - 2008.12.26 15:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Rennion
Ishtar all the way imo. Can run plexs, can do lvl 4's, can rat without ammo/guns leaving room for salvage and lewt.
Also you can switch between armour and shield tank on it to suit the rat type.
I second Ishtar.
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Xori Ruscuv
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.12.26 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Xephys
I second Ishtar.
I third Ishtar.
I think you might have to shield tank it to do the real heavy stuff though. I dunno, I've only ratted with it, tbh. Kindof a waste...
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.12.26 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: DukeBC
i somehow have the impression that missle boats r genenrally better than gun boats against rats an npc(assuming similar level of sp in either, that is)....maybe that s wrong
All depends on what you want to do. None of them is best for all kinds of PvE. Ishtar is indeed versatile, as is sacriledge and cerb. But Eagle, Deimos and Zealot will all be faster at their various kinds of rats. Muninn and Vaga are... well... best at very specific tasks but generally subpar - for PvE duties.
As for plexes the tank will become a tad more important, which means it's even more specific rat <-> hac.
Parrots, commence!
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DukeBC
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Posted - 2008.12.26 15:12:00 -
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i c...think will still go for sacrilege first since it takes me around a week less to train that than the others
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.12.26 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: DukeBC
i c...think will still go for sacrilege first since it takes me around a week less to train that than the others
Once you get HAC V and the supportskills training alternatate hacs is really rahter quick.
Parrots, commence!
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el caido
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Posted - 2008.12.26 15:25:00 -
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Sac is an amazing tank, but its DPS is sh*tpoor on a good day. If you're going that route, you might as well save the ISK with a Drake.
Ishtar.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.12.26 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: el caido
Sac is an amazing tank, but its DPS is sh*tpoor on a good day. If you're going that route, you might as well save the ISK with a Drake.
Ishtar.
Damage is very well comparable to ishtar, higher on most, less on thermal, with less traveltime.
Parrots, commence!
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DukeBC
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Posted - 2008.12.26 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: el caido
Sac is an amazing tank, but its DPS is sh*tpoor on a good day. If you're going that route, you might as well save the ISK with a Drake.
Ishtar.
why tho? the bonus of Sac look pretty solid to me, all increase missle dps except 1 i think
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el caido
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Posted - 2008.12.26 15:37:00 -
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Because missiles are inherently ... not the best.  And NPCs have a nasty habit of using Defenders like it's their job. Very easy to fit though, and you'd be almost guaranteed never to lose it because it can permatank just about any full-aggro.
However, the Ishtar is simply a juggernaut for its class. You can fit a decent armor tank with plenty of versatility for EW/guns/whatever. Or you can fit a monster shield tank and just AFK your missions. With proper drone skills, you can easily sentrysnipe missions like Gone Berserk and Blockade.
This really comes down to your skills and what will work best for you, but if you are asking which ship will run missions faster: Ishtar.
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el caido
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Posted - 2008.12.26 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: el caido
Sac is an amazing tank, but its DPS is sh*tpoor on a good day. If you're going that route, you might as well save the ISK with a Drake.
Ishtar.
Damage is very well comparable to ishtar, higher on most, less on thermal, with less traveltime.
I loled.
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Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2008.12.26 15:46:00 -
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Passive Ishtar is a beast of a ratting ship.
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DukeBC
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Posted - 2008.12.26 16:48:00 -
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ok one last question, assuming adaquate skill for both ishtar and raven and sacrilege, how would u guys rank their dps? ishtar>raven>sac? ishtar>raven=sac?
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VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
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Posted - 2008.12.26 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: DukeBC
ok one last question, assuming adaquate skill for both ishtar and raven and sacrilege, how would u guys rank their dps? ishtar>raven>sac? ishtar>raven=sac?
ball-sac > nut-sac > duckbutter
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Gram Hellfire
New Horizon Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.26 18:58:00 -
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I liked the Sac ratting. The large cargo hold is great for loot.
I ran with 2 damage mods, hardeners, and a single repper in the lows. MWD and cap rechargers in the meds. I was able to permarun the mwd and repper and speedtank what i didn't rep. There's a spare high slow for the salvager.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.12.26 22:34:00 -
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Ishtar with sentries gets my vote. Mmmm 
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Elhina Novae
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
Blade.
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Posted - 2008.12.26 22:58:00 -
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Ishtar with Sentries is a good all-round ratting ship.
Zealot vs. Blood/Sansha FTW!
Sacrilege, good all-round and my personal favorite <3
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Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: SurrenderMonkey
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There's an Amarr problem?
Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.
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DukeBC
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Posted - 2008.12.27 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Elhina Novae
Ishtar with Sentries is a good all-round ratting ship.
Zealot vs. Blood/Sansha FTW!
Sacrilege, good all-round and my personal favorite <3
yeh another supporter of my idea 
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Tennotsukai
Minmatar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.12.27 01:47:00 -
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Ishtar
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Commander Yassir
The Seven Sins
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Posted - 2008.12.27 01:47:00 -
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No, the best is hands down the Ishtar, the Sac might be good, but the Ishtar IS the best.
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Slayton Ford
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2008.12.27 02:03:00 -
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Munnin worked great against Sansha. Although ammo usages w/ 425's was still high. Against Gurista an Ishtar is the best.
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Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.12.27 04:37:00 -
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best hac for pve and pvp is the ishtar
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Noskill McCheese
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Posted - 2008.12.27 04:49:00 -
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Has anyone mentioned the Ishtar?
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MCHammerdad
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Posted - 2008.12.27 06:38:00 -
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Well idk about you guys but as far as ratting goes... Deimos kicks all the other hacs ass for thermal/kinetic npc's or even sanshas.
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EFT Warrior
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Posted - 2008.12.27 07:37:00 -
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I'm getting a reading here....
Muninn.
Hah, just kidding you, it's Ishtar.
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McFly
C0LDFIRE
RUDE Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.27 09:14:00 -
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HandsDown ishtar
heavies, ab, med rep, hardener, EANMs and DC
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.27 10:39:00 -
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yay ishtar!
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.12.27 10:50:00 -
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Cerb is easymode ratting. It doesn't have the raw ISK/hr of the Ishtar, but you can just warp to belt @100Km and kite, kite, kite with your triple BCU fit. Works best against kinetic-weak rats, of course.
Being so far from the belt marker is good protection vs wandering ratter hunters.
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echohead
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Posted - 2008.12.27 10:57:00 -
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The one thing the ishtar has is that it can be fitted with tractors and salvagers. Even if another HAC out DPS's it for PVE the Ish seems way more profitable
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Murazzi
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Posted - 2008.12.27 13:45:00 -
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Deimos,
A beast when it comes to gurista's, 3 mag stabs, full neutrons and still easely enough tank to take down the biggest 0.0 spawns.
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DukeBC
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Posted - 2008.12.27 23:46:00 -
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hmm...seems to me that gallente has the best HACs?
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.12.27 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: DukeBC
hmm...seems to me that gallente has the best HACs?
... because the forums said so. =)
Parrots, commence!
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king jks
BSC LEGION
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.12.28 00:24:00 -
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Ishtar, bar none.
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Bager Gray
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.12.28 03:07:00 -
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My personal favorite is the deimos, very fun pve ship, not always the most effecient, but oh well.
But the best pve HAC is the Ishtar
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Gallente
SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2008.12.28 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jesslyn Daggererux on 28/12/2008 08:16:00
i use my ishtar daily and ill even admit to doing a couple missions. hey, i needed an agent to run locates. i never did 4s, just 3s. for what i saw, the ishtar was a kick ass ship for pve. for pvp i so far have never had a problem breaking someones tank, and only once have i ever been up sh*t creek. lucky for me, those particular nubs didnt believe in using scram, so i just warped off and back. i do have t2 sentries and not heavies yet, but damn. garde 2s can put a hurting on someone.
i use 3 med electrons, a small neut, and an offlined salvager (never know when you can come accross a t2 wreak)
AB, disrupt, web, cap booster, sensor booster
2 EANM, 2 med reps, and dc.
aux nano and nano accel rigs
thankfully, caldari love to use kinetic. when they beat my 86.9% shield kinetic they get to have fun with my 91.3% armor kinetic resist. yea, youd think some would get smart and use explosive once in awhile. nope, have never once had it happen. 1035 tank vs kinetic, no drake is gonna kill me. not very fast but 423 is fast enough.
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kjukasfv
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Posted - 2008.12.28 13:14:00 -
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I tried the Sacrelege in PVE, just for "fun" once.. And allthough the dps output is ok'ish with HAMs, the ammo consumption is sick!
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