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Former Scumbag
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.13 22:30:00 -
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As I look at my -10 billion ISK wallet and shortly later my banned accounts I'm only a little bit surprised that it happened. I want to start off by saying I will never buy third party ISK again. It's just like throwing your money down the drain once you get caught -- and you probably will these days.
I know this will cause a great deal of many people to post negative comments and I deserve them. My kind are a plague in Eve and overall it's good that I was banned and my ISK taken out of the Eve economy. So yes, I know I deserve to die, I'm a scumbag, and will always be one, etc. But let me try to make up for what I did by exposing what I did and telling other RMTers who think their method is perfect that it will fail.
First why did I buy ISK via the #1 leading RMT seller (against EULA) instead of just buying a PLEX from CCP (EULA friendly)?
Because I've been doing this for a long time without an issues... I was arrogant and a capitalist. I could take the same amount of money that would be required through legal means and end up with twice the amount of ISK. I also hadn't been caught yet. I'm still a bit perplexed how I was caught, probably on mere suspicion alone. Maybe not.
But I'm done with buying ISK, as I now see CCP is very determined to stamp this out. I suppose I'll be a good person and work on scamming people for ISK instead of buying PLEX (just kidding - maybe).
tldr; I'm a bad man and if your a bad man you're going to lose everything.
HOW ISK SELLERS SELL ISK
Normally it works like this:
Option A) ISK selling company uses bots to farm the drone regions. I've noticed that they always went for Plush Compound and Glossy Compound. (Market tip here -- check what these refine into and realize that they suppressed certain mineral prices)
and/or
Option B) ISK selling company pays other players for ISK at a rate lower than they sell it. I don't know the details on how it exactly works as I've never sold ISK. But I believe the contracted players use minerals or other high value items and transfer them to the ISK selling company.
(Also scamming, hacking accounts, etc so it's claimed -- although I don't think that's truly legitimate claim as it would be their supplies very unstable and they're always stable...)
1) The ISK selling company then sets up a front corporation (the do this on a DAILY basis) with a random boring corp name made by a day old character.
2) Some how they transfer drone alloys, minerals, or moon products to the front corporation.
3) RMTer sends PayPal or Credit Card payment to bad RMT website.
4) The RMTer then is told to apply to join Random Boring Corp Name and to dock at Jita 4-4
5) The ISK selling bad people then purchases X amount of X item as a corporation market order.
6) Once the order is filled they open Deliveries then go to Deliver to Member and select the RMTers name.
7) The RMTer then sells the items at Market Value and quits the corp.
There's no wallet log of the RMTer getting the items so it's believed to be the safest way to do it, also their in the same corp so the activity is considered the same.
My specific process would be the above but with these changes for when I bought it:
1) I would create an alt say BobLikesYou33
2) After I received the items from the ISK sellers and sold them at Market I would have a few billion ISK in my wallet
3) I would then purchase high value items with low volume in mass (level 5 implants, PLEXes, etc)
4) I would then randomly give away whatever I had left to scammers in Jita local (to make more links and hopefully hide my true account and maybe get some dirty scammers banned if I got caught trololol)
5) I would buy a shuttle, put a few BILLION of stuff in it.
6) I would login to my main (on a different account) and go to a safe spot in Jita in a pod.
7) I would fleet up with my RMTer alt then have the shuttle with billions of RMT warp to my main.
8) Then the RMTer would leave the shuttle, leave fleet, and my main would board the shuttle and dock it.
9) I would terminate the BobLikesYou33 character
10) I would then wait till it was flushed and make a new BobLikesYou33 character
This was so (or so I thought) there would be no paper trail or if there was CCP wouldn't look hard enough for it... maybe it would overwrite something in the database. At one point I even had a corporation dedicating to buying ISK with 5 separate accounts to shuffle things through.
WHAT ITEMS DO ISK SELLERS USE?
Glossy Compound, Plush Compound was the old favorite, recently they've been changing that as CCP has been banning more people I assume (or maybe in prep for the drone region nerf).
New items: Tritanium, Moon Products, Salvage Products.
I hope this information some how helps CCP fight this and I hope it discourages RMTers from making the same mistake I did... Repent or faceth the ban wave from doom. |
Luxi Daphiti
Intelli-core
The Mockers AO
76
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Posted - 2012.04.13 22:58:00 -
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Interesting post, never realised you guys were so sneaky  Thought it was literally you pay for the ISK and then it gets sent to your main, but now I know. |
Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2012.04.13 23:01:00 -
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All that effort put into breaking the rules without getting caught could have been put into some trading and had a similar result without the banning/wallet death.
Especially all that creativity. |
Aina Sasaki
Red Core
Paradigm Shift Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.04.13 23:29:00 -
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Nub Sauce wrote:All that effort put into breaking the rules without getting caught could have been put into some trading and had a similar result without the banning/wallet death.
Especially all that creativity.
Agreed, which is why I say that scamming or cheating in general is pointless. If you are actually clever enough to come up with a complex plan to screw someone, you should be just as capable of making a legitimate plan as well. And in the end... the honest types always make more than the cheaters do in the long run.
- Rei |
Eddie Laydon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.04.14 00:52:00 -
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Well buying PLEX/RMT are all different forms of 'cheating', the difference is one is controlled by CCP and the other one is not.
Imho spending real money on isk is a bit pathetic, not to mention it takes the fun out of the game. If you cant earn enough money the 'normal' way, then perhaps you're not smart enough for this game. |
Moto Akimoto
Tengu and Cash
7
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Posted - 2012.04.14 02:06:00 -
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OP, these RMT transactions were very clever. I'm curious though, now that you've been busted, why are you "dropping the dime" on your former RMT partners? Did CCP make you post this as part of your punishment?
Eddie Laydon wrote:Well buying PLEX/RMT are all different forms of 'cheating', the difference is one is controlled by CCP and the other one is not.
Imho spending real money on isk is a bit pathetic, not to mention it takes the fun out of the game. If you cant earn enough money the 'normal' way, then perhaps you're not smart enough for this game.
Well, I wouldn't call buying PLEX for fiat as "cheating". I say it's more like "specialization" in the global economy. 
At one point, I too thought that buying PLEX for real cash was "lame". But now I believe it's the smart thing to do, why should I grind for 8 hours, waste electricity, and wear down my computer when I can take $10-$20 USD, buy a PLEX, and go do the more fun but less ISK part of the game?
PLEX for real cash is a Win-Win-Win for myself, the grinder, CCP, and PLEX traders. And of course, the pirates who blow up my new shiny ship.
I fail to see who loses in the PLEX transaction.
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Former Scumbag
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 02:44:00 -
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Moto Akimoto wrote:OP, these RMT transactions were very clever. I'm curious though, now that you've been busted, why are you "dropping the dime" on your former RMT partners? Did CCP make you post this as part of your punishment?
It's mainly a warning to other players that have broke the rules in the past. The point is buying ISK from anyone but CCP isn't safe anymore, period.
Why am I explaining the process in detail? Good question. CCP did not make me post this, I'm on a different account as my others have been banned. And honestly I'll probably have all my accounts banned and receive a harsher punishment for posting here.
It just felt like the right thing to do. I really doubt I'll be able to ever afford 10+ billion in legit PLEX so even if I was some how unbanned it wouldn't matter.
Save your account, real life money, and Eve wallet -- don't be like me. |
Nerdy McButtHurt Trald
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.04.14 03:32:00 -
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No matter how great you think you are, there will always be smarter people than yourself.
If CCP has 200-300 people working on Eve there are about 250,000 players out there. There will always be someone who finds game mechanic faults, who either makes huge ISK gains or ends up getting banned.
Examples:
1. Some early salvage parts had no end use (people stockpiled with the obvious assumption that CCP would end up using them)
2. Private auctions
3. Contracts in general
4. PI mechanics
5. Insurance mechanics
It is a constant war. CCP developers out there closing loop holes in which smart people spot and make huge financial gains.
Just like governments and tax laws |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
228
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Posted - 2012.04.14 03:34:00 -
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This reminds me of my first job working in a restaurant where guys would spend more time and effort shirking work than actually working; these were the dumbest people I have yet to meet so far in my life. |
Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
47
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Posted - 2012.04.14 08:12:00 -
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Eddie Laydon wrote:Well buying PLEX/RMT are all different forms of 'cheating', the difference is one is controlled by CCP and the other one is not.
Imho spending real money on isk is a bit pathetic, not to mention it takes the fun out of the game. If you cant earn enough money the 'normal' way, then perhaps you're not smart enough for this game.
+1 |
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
320
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Posted - 2012.04.14 08:41:00 -
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another reson morphite is going up bigtime!!!
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Kawaai
The Wyld Hunt
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 11:53:00 -
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Eddie Laydon wrote:Well buying PLEX/RMT are all different forms of 'cheating', the difference is one is controlled by CCP and the other one is not.
Imho spending real money on isk is a bit pathetic, not to mention it takes the fun out of the game. If you cant earn enough money the 'normal' way, then perhaps you're not smart enough for this game.
In the micromarket Free to Play games there is a philosophy that might be applicable to this.
In general money spend by a single credit buying player each month is considered to be extremely high (40 quid in average).
Yet consider that for every paying player there are 9 others who do not.
This makes that on the entire player base the average income per player is only 4 quid.
In the industries that create and run these games they are very very happy with the players who do not pay for the extra advantage, this specific group is called cannon flutter. (for the less educated under us cannon flutter is basically a meatshield installed to cash in blows to save more valuable assets' hides.)
Now in eve its nice to see how this goes a bit different mainly thanks to the nature of the game itself.
PLEX buying players are cannon flutter (with this I mean those who purchase it for financial not gametime reasons).
If you suck at the game, but you have a lifestyle that provides you with a financial back bone that allows you to 'invest' in a game as this thats okay. It makes it so that you can acquire assets just like anybody else without really having the same 'skill' as self-providing players do.
This means that to the actual dedicated player base who does not solely depend on RL finance these targets are in general good, sometimes even easy kills. Leading to more fun in game for the dedicated players and sometimes good income too.
For the PLEX buyers, they blow up but they can take the fiscal damage, they just jump in something new and continue.
Its good to have these people, even if they fly well. If you just have 1/10 people who don't, that makes 9 people very joyous in blowing their face off.
Eventually its the PLEX buy community that sells it that makes it that you can play 'for free' and really that makes it a double bonus. |
Nikon Evenstar
X3 Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2012.04.15 04:45:00 -
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Thank you for posting this, it was an interesting read.
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
483
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:12:00 -
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so, maybe those noob ships with 30 plex and stuff was really RTMers. |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity
Exhale.
180
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Posted - 2012.04.15 10:44:00 -
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i know several people who made good isk by probing out the RMT drop points in jita and stealing their ships/cans from under their noses :P
ISK is so stupidly easy to make in eve that i find it amazing people still buy it for cash.
ultimate laziness i suppose... |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
46
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Posted - 2012.04.15 12:52:00 -
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I see RMT as a slight problem as they use bots but botting is by far the biggest scourge whether it's RMT related or not. Destroy botting and you will also destroy RMT killing 2 birds with one stone. |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.04.15 13:56:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:so, maybe those noob ships with 30 plex and stuff was really RTMers.
Relying on the whims of the loot drop dice roll is probably not a smart method of covertly transferring assets. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1523
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:02:00 -
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HELIC0N ONE wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:so, maybe those noob ships with 30 plex and stuff was really RTMers. Relying on the whims of the loot drop dice roll is probably not a smart method of covertly transferring assets.
I think he meant that those noob ships got popped before the transfer could take place.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
ICBMSZ
dresi dungeon
Bipolar Stability
0
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Posted - 2012.04.17 06:48:00 -
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That's quite interesting indeed. Thanks for the detailed description. You learn something new every day. |
Kreeia Dgore
EntroPrelatial Industria
EntroPraetorian Aegis
6
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Posted - 2012.04.17 07:06:00 -
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I wonder how long did it take CCP to find out this system, since they are banning for it. Ideas? |
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Greg Valanti
Looney Clones
36
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Posted - 2012.04.17 11:47:00 -
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Kreeia Dgore wrote:I wonder how long did it take CCP to find out this system, since they are banning for it. Ideas?
There are a lot of data points within the account information, game logs, and internet connection information, which I assume they are able to cross reference with known RMT operations. |
Prophet Avater
Imperium Technologies
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
0
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:06:00 -
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Those player even though they're small percentage in the game take out huge amount of resources, it was estimated 100,000 to 200,000 thousand dollars where taken out of the game by one of the most used RMT websites. I was tempted once to use such resources but instead out of nature paid for plexs, even though I could of both 1 plex for 8 dollars instead of 20 dollars.
They usually tempt newier members, that don't have much to spend in RL but need the isk, they rather buy 2 plexs for 16 dollars instead of paying 20 dollars for one. |
clixor
Celluloid Gurus
0
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:38:00 -
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Prophet Avater wrote:
They usually tempt newier members, that don't have much to spend in RL but need the isk, they rather buy 2 plexs for 16 dollars instead of paying 20 dollars for one.
I find this RMT process highly illogical.
Lazy player doesnt have time/motivation to grind/whatever but goes through ALL this effort (and huge risk, think about CC info being compromised) for iskies while netting the exact same result (be it for a few bucks more) is possible within a few seconds.
 
I think CCP is really nailing it this time with botting and RMT. Two things that ruined the game for me and my 5 alt account and made me quit. For the time being i'm back with just this account, we'll see.
Only thing i'd like to see is CCP is going one step further and preventing people with negative wallets in making new accounts because unless it's a VERY high SP account there is little incentive to put it in the black again.
And props for OP for 'coming out', there should be a RMT-anomynous group :) |
Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
32
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Posted - 2012.04.18 13:35:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:I see RMT as a slight problem as they use bots but botting is by far the biggest scourge whether it's RMT related or not. Destroy botting and you will also destroy RMT killing 2 birds with one stone.
While I agree that botting sucks, killing botting will not stop RMT. Not even close.
You have to realize that in some countries $20 USD is an awful lot of money. I used to live in a place where a family of four could live for a month on under $80. In places like that, you don't need bots. You can just hire people to play, and work them in shifts 24/7 and still make a handsome profit.
The only way to stop RMT completely would make to make a game that's not based on currency, but rather be earned by individual characters. Can't be done in EVE, for obvious reasons. But if you look at WoW, they morphed the game quite nicely around that. There's really no point in buying WoW gold any more, because there's really nothing you can spend it on, besides possibly some vanity stuff. All the best gear is bind on pickup and earned from raids or PvP - meaning it can't be sold or traded, it can only be earned by that character.
Heck, it seems Blizzard is heading the way of the RMT themselves, what with the real money auction house coming in Diablo 3. And if, god help us, they get away with this crap, you can bet your butt it'll show up in their next MMO. And if that is anything like WoW, we'll be up for another decade of clones doing the exact same RMT crap. *shudders* Best not to think about it. |
Kyshonuba
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:46:00 -
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Greg Valanti wrote:Kreeia Dgore wrote:I wonder how long did it take CCP to find out this system, since they are banning for it. Ideas? There are a lot of data points within the account information, game logs, and internet connection information, which I assume they are able to cross reference with known RMT operations.
The archsin of crime is redundancy. Patterns of repetition can be sucessful scanned by detection programms operating on a merely statistic base.
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Real Poison
Aura of Darkness
Nulli Secunda
95
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:51:00 -
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I don't find this very surprising. tbh what took them so long?
they've clearly have ppl capable of doing "datamining" and CCP has vast databases.
They know all the isk faucets in game (e.g. mining, ratting) that create isk.
And there are market transactions which are easily trackable.
Datamine for massive increase in isk/asset value that has no trackable source.
After a while they'll surely removed the most false positives and turnded their findings into program code for better datamining.
At some point they should be pretty sure how to identify "illegal" isk suddenly appearing.
Now the hardest part to seperate illegal RMT transactions is prolly suicide ganking (probably not very efficient) and scams (especially scams involving supercapitals).
But thanks for posting. I enjoy reading stories about ppl getting punished for their RMT sins.
Please keep up swinging the banhammers CCP!  |
Zag'mar Jurkar
Z.E.N
12
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:16:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:I see RMT as a slight problem as they use bots but botting is by far the biggest scourge whether it's RMT related or not. Destroy botting and you will also destroy RMT killing 2 birds with one stone. While I agree that botting sucks, killing botting will not stop RMT. Not even close. You have to realize that in some countries $20 USD is an awful lot of money. I used to live in a place where a family of four could live for a month on under $80. In places like that, you don't need bots. You can just hire people to play, and work them in shifts 24/7 and still make a handsome profit. The only way to stop RMT completely would make to make a game that's not based on currency, but rather be earned by individual characters. Can't be done in EVE, for obvious reasons. But if you look at WoW, they morphed the game quite nicely around that. There's really no point in buying WoW gold any more, because there's really nothing you can spend it on, besides possibly some vanity stuff. All the best gear is bind on pickup and earned from raids or PvP - meaning it can't be sold or traded, it can only be earned by that character. Heck, it seems Blizzard is heading the way of the RMT themselves, what with the real money auction house coming in Diablo 3. And if, god help us, they get away with this crap, you can bet your butt it'll show up in their next MMO. And if that is anything like WoW, we'll be up for another decade of clones doing the exact same RMT crap. *shudders* Best not to think about it.
Not trying to derail the thread, but at the defense of D3's real money auction house, D2Jsp would have taken the lead there and doing it a way that is not illegal since you trade it for "forum gold".
Back on topic, that was a nice read OP. Sounds like a lot of trouble just for some extra isks you could have made yourself while doing it :/. |
Kyshonuba
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:43:00 -
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Real Poison wrote:
.....
CCP knows all the isk faucets in game (e.g. mining, ratting) that create isk.
And there are market transactions which are easily trackable.
Datamine for massive increase in isk/asset value that has no trackable source.
After a while they'll surely removed the most false positives and turnded their findings into program code for better datamining.
At some point they should be pretty sure how to identify "illegal" isk suddenly appearing.
.......
I don't find this very surprising. tbh what took them so long?
they've clearly have ppl capable of doing "datamining" and CCP has vast databases.
Its expensive. Technical educated employees hunting down cheaters who pay about 15 $ a month ... or maybe even less. Once a GM personally checks a specific account RMT is surely revealed in the most cases .
The "real" battelfront lies where the detection programms are working... scanning mutiple accounts for suspicious signs and flagging them afterwards for futher GM- investigation |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
314
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Posted - 2012.04.18 18:27:00 -
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Aina Sasaki wrote:Nub Sauce wrote:All that effort put into breaking the rules without getting caught could have been put into some trading and had a similar result without the banning/wallet death.
Especially all that creativity. Agreed, which is why I say that scamming or cheating in general is pointless. If you are actually clever enough to come up with a complex plan to screw someone, you should be just as capable of making a legitimate plan as well. And in the end... the honest types always make more than the cheaters do in the long run.
With one exception: the cheaters are making real life money which has value out of the game (and can thus afford to repeat their actions ad infinitum), whereas the 'good guys' are just left with a bunch of worthless space pixels that are only around until the end of EVE (which as we know, is coming soon). |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
307
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Posted - 2012.04.19 03:03:00 -
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Dear OP,
First and foremost, I like to congratulate you for taking the first step in weening yourself from the RMT habit. I also want to congratulate you in taking the second step for coming out here in the open to admit your own wrong doing. Finally, I like to thank you for revealing this information to the public so that those around here who make a living hunting bot/RMT users will be able to adapt their skills to precisely hunting their targets that ruin our economy and gameplay. Of course, as you pointed out, that wasn't your main reason, but to warn others to stay away from RMT rings even if they are tempted.
If there is one thing I ever like to see in a bot/RMT user, besides the obvious crash-n-burn rant I make towards them, is that I like to see them admit to their own mistakes in public for it takes a lot of willpower to come out like how you did, let alone reveal critical information that CCP and capsuleers could use in taking down RMT rings. For that, you have my respect for you have taken the steps to reform yourself and pay back what you owe in terms of social and ethical responsibility.
I like to extend a request to all members of this forums to please use this thread to teach newcomers the price players pay for cheating around here. In Eve Online, everything has consequences and every decision we make will influence others one way or the other and no one is exempt from that.
I also like to extend a request to all bot hunters out there to utilize this information so that they can be more effective in hunting down their targets. I'm pretty certain that from now on, every shuttle that comes out of any hub in high-sec will quickly get a lot of attention after this post.
Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
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Kyshonuba
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.04.19 06:10:00 -
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He wont become a better player now that he experienced the consequences of cheating. Placing the fear (of account banning) in peoples hearts doesn't help that much. I understand that it's tempting for ambitious gamers with a low real life budget to get illegal plexes for less then the half of the legal ones. What helps is....
1. Devotion to "Fair Play" ..... because RMT-players get it for half the price compared to legal players.
2. Striving for quality gaming .... because with RMT-money you cut the gaming companies profit and therefore their ability to maintain qualitative gaming services.
Personally i am a "lazy" guy and i dont enjoy learning new gaming rules when i try out a new game. Thats why i like to stick with long term motivating games.
There are already enough "cheap" game designers on the software market whose products may draw peoples attention for about 3-4 weeks ..... at most.
My advice to players like him is, "dont play too cheap". Dont waste money on games that end up as 10$ bargain sales in less then a year. And do not force a companie like CCP to devellop in same direction as it would ruin the fun in Eve online |
Real Poison
Aura of Darkness
Nulli Secunda
95
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Posted - 2012.04.19 06:26:00 -
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Kyshonuba wrote:
Its expensive. Technical educated employees hunting down cheaters who pay about 15 $ a month ... or maybe even less. Once a GM personally checks a specific account RMT is surely revealed in the most cases .
The "real" battelfront lies where the detection programms are working... scanning mutiple accounts for suspicious signs and flagging them afterwards for futher GM- investigation
In this case the player repeatedly made 1day.-old, then biomassed boblikesyou33-alts, which all temporary had a high ISK wallet. Thats probaply the reason why his acount(s) got flagged by those detection programms.
Expensive? they don't need hordes of those experts. Since they also funding their own economics expert just to monitor the health of the ingame economy such a datamining expert is the natural addition since the illegal isk market always threatens the market for the whole playerbase.
And really? If they haven't long implemented routines that make transfers/drops to throwaway alts nothing more than a few extra lines in the database that matters absolutely nothing in the process than they'd never find anyone. So that became imaginary protection long ago.
The concept is like an email spam filter on a mailserver, once you got the bulk of rulesets defined it's going to run automatic. But you still need to invest some daily monitoring to tweak and react to counter the newest tricks. |
Kyshonuba
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.04.19 07:10:00 -
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Real Poison wrote:
The concept is like an email spam filter on a mailserver, once you got the bulk of rulesets defined it's going to run automatic. But you still need to invest some daily monitoring to tweak and react to counter the newest tricks.
Its a data(bank) inquiry accomplished by a programm of your choice... your not scanning exterior traffic like a spam filter does.
But depending on the complexity of the inquiry (ruleset) those scanns may need a loot of cpu-power. I heard that the diabolo II "ruststorm" caused quite some lack on the blizzard gaming servers. |
clixor
Celluloid Gurus
1
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Posted - 2012.04.19 09:59:00 -
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Kyshonuba wrote:Real Poison wrote:
The concept is like an email spam filter on a mailserver, once you got the bulk of rulesets defined it's going to run automatic. But you still need to invest some daily monitoring to tweak and react to counter the newest tricks.
Its a data(bank) inquiry accomplished by a programm of your choice... your not scanning exterior traffic like a spam (or a bot) filter does. But depending on the complexity of the inquiry (ruleset) those scanns may need a loot of cpu-power. I heard that the diabolo II "ruststorm" caused quite some lack on the blizzard gaming servers.
I may be not a software engineer, but i don't have the feeling this is in any way a technical issue, but more an organizational / resource issue. Sreegs said it himself, processes should be in place and it should not be incidental.
Furthermore, people like OP are caught because the RMTer is identified and all THEIR transactions are traced and so identifying the receivers. |
Jupix
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Former Scumbag wrote:
7) I would fleet up with my RMTer alt then have the shuttle with billions of RMT warp to my main.
8) Then the RMTer would leave the shuttle, leave fleet, and my main would board the shuttle and dock it.
This is probably what got your main banned.
I don't think there's any way to transfer considerable wealth in this game without leaving a trace.
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Jupix wrote:Former Scumbag wrote:
7) I would fleet up with my RMTer alt then have the shuttle with billions of RMT warp to my main.
8) Then the RMTer would leave the shuttle, leave fleet, and my main would board the shuttle and dock it.
This is probably what got your main banned. I don't think there's any way to transfer considerable wealth in this game without leaving a trace.
Abso-*******-lutely right.
One of the biggest and commonly-seen assumptions from RMT runners and clients is that large amounts of wealth can be hidden in game if you avoid contracts, trade windows, buy-sell orders, etc. and stick to ship swapping instead or whatever method they think hides the transaction.
The problem with this assumption is because it is what it is: an assumption. They don't know what method is not traceable in game but the fact of the matter is that everything in the server is traced. A ship being swapped in the middle of space in a safespot from an unassociated alt to another still has data attached to it such as where it is, what's in its cargohold, who is piloting the ship, what modules are attached, etc. Even biomassing the alt still leaves a trace because the system has to maintain consistency as to what happened and how.
It's like bookkeeping: Debits must always equal credits and all vendor/client records must be kept even if the vendor or client are no longer associated with the business and all financial statements and payments to vendors and payments from clients must be reported to the government. I have worked in bookkeeping for years and have learned from the mistakes of others that circumventing the system is practically impossible without being discovered.
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Eddie Laydon wrote:Well buying PLEX/RMT are all different forms of 'cheating', the difference is one is controlled by CCP and the other one is not
Imho spending real money on isk is a bit pathetic, not to mention it takes the fun out of the game. If you cant earn enough money the 'normal' way, then perhaps you're not smart enough for this game.
Or maybe they just have real life priorities to worry about and are far more limited for the time they can actually get in game to play. These players with real jobs and know where their priorities should be generally are far better off spending a few extra bucks per month on PLEX to sell to pay for their PVP activity than to play 23/7 and stroking their E-PEEN all day long
Really what is the difference in paying for 4 accounts per month to max out in game income and support PVP activity on 1 account, or paying for 1 account and buying 3 plex per month with the money saved on the other 3 accounts to support the same 1 PVP account. The later costs the same but eliminates all the work associated with the other 3 accounts. If you enjoy that activity all the power to you, but if not buying PLEx is a great alternative
With PLEX over 500 mil and costing $20 USD or less if you buy it on promotion, anyone who values their time at more than minimum wage is way further ahead buying PLEX
I am sure there are very few players if any who can consistently make 500 mil isk/hr. So if $20 of real money can get you 500 mil isk, even if you value your time at minimum wage (about $10/hr where I live) you would have to make 250 mil isk per hour in game to get the same value for your time.
I believe mining is still the lowest isk/hour activity in EVE and is up to about 20 mil/hr, it would take you over 12 hours of mining to make 250 mil isk which is only equal to about $10 real money (24 hours of game time to earn 1 PLEX). Since mining is very boring and most players would consider it work to support their EVE career. Would you really rather work for the equivalent of just over $1 per hour mining in game or spend $20 real money on a PLEX to save your self 24 hour of in game isk grinding.
Personally I only get to play 4 - 5 hours a week if I'm lucky, I rarely reach 24 hours game time in a month. Two young children at home taking up most of my free time. An extra $20 per month to spend that time doing what I want to do rather than grinding isk is well worth it.
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