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Kehmor Caldari Malevolent Emo Herders	Posted - 2008.12.27 23:21:00 - [1] Edited by: Kehmor on 27/12/2008 23:29:39 Hi I'm Kehmor. I'm sure you have heard about the Moon mineral/complex reaction exploit uncovered by CCP recently. You have probably also heard that the value of this exploit has been estimated by CCP to atleast up to 3.5 trillion (!) With these major providers banned and off the market, the prices for reactions and T2 products will undoubtedly skyrocket over a fairly short term. As a matter of fact you can already see a 15% raise in ferrogel in the major trade hubs, and there is no doubt that T2 products will soon follow. I've been involved in trading and investments in EVE for over 2 years now, I might also mention that I work as an assistant account manager for a European retirement fund, and I have never before seen a better opportunity to make ISK, Now, our wallet just ain't big enough to do this on our own. We've invested more or less all we have but we want MORE to fully exploit this opportunity, because there is ALOT of isk to be made here. Therefore I hereby ask you to make an investment in our project. I offer very beneficial terms, and i guarantee you will get your money - with agreed interest - back, in agreed time. This is what i offer you: Loan us between 1mil - 600 mil, and you will get 10% - 30% interest depending on how long you will let us hold your money. 5 days - 10% 10 days - 20% 20 days - 30% Simply put the money into "Kehmor"'s account, and in the "reason box" write "moon chaos" followed by the number of days we may hold your isk for. For example: "moon chaos - 5" **Isk given in any format other than the one above will be considered a donation and will NOT be refunded. Sorry ** I do guarantee that you will get your money back with interest. I won't ask you to trust me, but at least try me out, with even the lowest amount, and you will get proof that I am being honest. Regards, Kehmor P.S. To the scam callers, don't invest. Thank you. - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
caldicott Minmatar Fuzzpuss Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.27 23:28:00 - [2] 1st! 50m for 20 days i look farward to the result. Caldi
Estel Arador Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.27 23:29:00 - [3] If you're serious (big 'if' here, I know), aren't you a bit late? FREE! jumpclone service
B1G ONE	Posted - 2008.12.27 23:36:00 - [4] Looks promising.. isk sent with more to come if legit.
Kehmor Caldari Malevolent Emo Herders	Posted - 2008.12.27 23:37:00 - [5] Originally by: Estel Arador If you're serious (big 'if' here, I know), aren't you a bit late? Well you are half right, price increases will slow down. However, as I already mentioned significant investment has already been made, and in the right places. However T2 production carries with it other costs aswell, and in my our mad panic to buy as much as possible as quickly as possible, we ran ourselves a bit low to cover these as completely as we would have liked. That is where your investment comes in. Furthermore I predict the trend will continue, and prices will carry on rising for a while to come, if by not such a steep margin. I am serious, if you feel this is too much of a risk, then please look elsewhere. However I certainly will not be losing money in this endeavour, that much is for sure. - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
ingenting 20th Legion Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.27 23:39:00 - [6] Edited by: ingenting on 27/12/2008 23:46:28 I smell scam, tbh. Please have someone known to MD vouch for you. _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu BAAOOM... Told you, newb."
Packtu'sa Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp	Posted - 2008.12.27 23:43:00 - [7] 1.30^(30 / 20) = 1.482 Given that you are starting late, and the heavyweight traders are already in on this opportunity, how do you expect to pull a 48% monthly return? What have your past successes been? You have not been audited. What references can you provide, if any, as an indicator of past performance in the financial markets? Packtu'sa Founder/CEO, Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp (2bn @ 4.5%)
Kehmor Caldari Malevolent Emo Herders	Posted - 2008.12.27 23:53:00 - [8] Originally by: ingenting Edited by: ingenting on 27/12/2008 23:50:29 Edited by: ingenting on 27/12/2008 23:46:28 I smell scam, tbh. Please have someone known to MD vouch for you. Please refer to the last line of the post. Quote: Also, why do you give LESS return for a longer period Simple, returns are going to start decreasing. - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
SentryRaven KIA Corp	Posted - 2008.12.28 00:08:00 - [9] I read the definition of Ponzi scheme a few days ago.... Anything you might want to say regarding that matter? I'd advise pilots keep clear of this investment opportunity. -------- EBANK Forum Manager
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.12.28 00:13:00 - [10] Willing to vouch for this guy, I've known him for quite a while already and he's shown understanding of the markets. I tend to be very wary on topics like these, but I doubt Kehmor is pulling anything here. Anyways, 25mil ISK sent out of my skinny-ass wallet to help establish some trust here. ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Trypoxylon Amarr Exotic Dancers Club Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.28 00:22:00 - [11] Edited by: Trypoxylon on 28/12/2008 00:22:26
Atima Minmatar House of Marbles	Posted - 2008.12.28 00:24:00 - [12] Have an audit preformed to prove that you have actually invested all your isk into this, then more people will consider it.
Kehmor Caldari Malevolent Emo Herders	Posted - 2008.12.28 00:28:00 - [13] Ok I was going to just let this run it's course, but perhaps I was not as complete in my original post as I should have been, and I owe it to you to adress a few concerns. First and foremost I have a confession to make. This is mainly intended as a formal posting for the benefit of people who either have invested in me already, or will do so in the next couple of days; namely my mates. Some of them have been kind enough to post here and vouch for me, for whatever worth their opinion is. Namely caldi and grarr, thanks guys! It is also an invite for the public to invest if they so choose, and I realise it is a big choice to make. Why my scheme, why not countless others? I was perhaps arrogant to believe that my legacy extends to the market forums as my investment schemes have been private up until here. I will ask no one to post, however if you desire further references and wish to make the effort any of my past ceo's will vouch for me. My corp history, while dotted with pirate corps, is atleast dotted with respectable ones. As for the industry side of things, crytek is where I first started opperating on this side of things, and if you can track down old members, I'm sure they will put in a good word for me. My current corporation also was founded and filled by old school eve players, many of them well known. Originally by: Packtu'sa 1.30^(30 / 20) = 1.482 Given that you are starting late, and the heavyweight traders are already in on this opportunity, how do you expect to pull a 48% monthly return? This seems to be the main concern beyond "omg scammer". Wellthis is sort of the point. It is too alte to jump on the band wagon now, however luckily I jumepd on it before it became a bandwagon. That is why I am offering you late comers a chance to make some money out of this change in the market environment. If it wasn't too late why would you invest in me when you could just do it yourself. I hope this clears some things up, though I'm sure the more careful among you will still advise against it. Regards, Kehmor - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
Packtu'sa Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp	Posted - 2008.12.28 00:40:00 - [14] It is your job to track down references and have them post, not ours. Originally by: Kehmor This seems to be the main concern beyond "omg scammer". Wellthis is sort of the point. It is too alte to jump on the band wagon now, however luckily I jumepd on it before it became a bandwagon. That is why I am offering you late comers a chance to make some money out of this change in the market environment. If it wasn't too late why would you invest in me when you could just do it yourself. If the opportunity is over as you stated above, how can you hope to utilize investor capital in this venture? Unless you have already borrowed ISK (such as through a loan from EBANK) to work with for trading and are hoping to refinance that, (which clearly is not the case) then I cannot see how this is a viable investment at all. Packtu'sa Founder/CEO, Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp (2bn @ 4.5%)
Kehmor Caldari Malevolent Emo Herders	Posted - 2008.12.28 00:55:00 - [15] Originally by: Packtu'sa It is your job to track down references and have them post, not ours. I can't be bothered. I've got the majority of the isk needed already. People who wanna invest can do background checks, you clearly aren't one of them. Quote: If the opportunity is over as you stated above, how can you hope to utilize investor capital in this venture? Unless you have already borrowed ISK (such as through a loan from EBANK) to work with for trading and are hoping to refinance that, (which clearly is not the case) then I cannot see how this is a viable investment at all. I feel I have already adressed this however I shall humour you as you don't really seem to understand the mechanics of t2 production. In t2 production there are a number of costs, the most prominent being the components/the materials to make them. These are what are currentlys rising rapidly on the market and have already been purchased en-masse. However there are other costs aswell, for example, t1 mineral costs, blue prints, etc. These things are not rising in price, but are still required. I also feel (and you may certainly disagree) that there is still some (but not as much) profit to be made in market investment on the t2 level. Now, as mentioned, much of my investment has already come through, long before this post, if you would like the names of the most prominent investers, they can be provided on a private basis, so long as these individuals agree. These were the main funds used to kickstart this project, and get ahead of the competition. Why have I made this public? A few reasons. One is for a bit of fun, recently I've been very bored in eve. Another is because I still think I can offer the listed returns to the public. And finally is to build some credibility for future projects if I enjoy this one. Regards, Kehmor - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
Estel Arador Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.28 01:03:00 - [16] Originally by: Kehmor And finally is to build some credibility for future projects if I enjoy this one. If that's the case you really should have an audit done now - to see what you've posted so far is correct - and when the investment has been repaid - to see that the money actually came from what you were supposed to be doing. FREE! jumpclone service
Dai'Fail Nofain Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.28 02:17:00 - [17] Edited by: Dai''Fail Nofain on 28/12/2008 02:17:35 Originally by: Kehmor Originally by: Packtu'sa It is your job to track down references and have them post, not ours. I can't be bothered. I've got the majority of the isk needed already. People who wanna invest can do background checks, you clearly aren't one of them. Originally by: Kehmor And finally is to build some credibility for future projects if I enjoy this one. Regards, Kehmor Keep in mind that the checks that you mention are what leads people to invest in trusting you, a comment as above will likely make many think twice about investing just on general principal.
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2008.12.28 02:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Kehmor **Isk given in any format other than the one above will be considered a donation and will NOT be refunded. Sorry ** Extremely unprofessional. That line alone would scare off the smarter investors permanently. A pro, scammer or real would not state that they'll suck up any isk that didn't come in the approved form. It's the work of a moment to return isk or to inquire what the intent of the sender is. Even if you're just going to keep the money and run cackling, it's trivial to puff up the prospectus with all sorts of details that indicate your simulated concern for the investor. That's one of many warning signs that tell me, "Don't give isk to this guy!"
Packtu'sa Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp	Posted - 2008.12.28 02:50:00 - [19] Originally by: Kehmor Originally by: Packtu'sa It is your job to track down references and have them post, not ours. I can't be bothered. That speaks volumes about you already. Originally by: Kehmor I feel I have already adressed this however I shall humour you as you don't really seem to understand the mechanics of t2 production. As it so happens, I am quite active in the Tech-II industry, and I actually have a proven track record of success. You, on the other hand, do not. Originally by: Kehmor In t2 production there are a number of costs, the most prominent being the components/the materials to make them. These are what are currentlys rising rapidly on the market and have already been purchased en-masse. However there are other costs aswell, for example, t1 mineral costs, blue prints, etc. These things are not rising in price, but are still required. Aside from you being entirely incorrect (since when were materials the greatest cost in T2 production? Ever heard of invention?) I don't really see the point here. So what if there are other costs? The market is a lot more complicated than production cost, and production cost is a lot more complicated than moon materials. Packtu'sa Founder/CEO, Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp (2bn @ 4.5%)
Ricdics Tleilex Developments Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2008.12.28 02:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Kehmor I feel I have already adressed this however I shall humour you as you don't really seem to understand the mechanics of t2 production. In t2 production there are a number of costs, In your first post you had zero mention of T2 production. It was only your reply to someone else where you advised you would be producing. Why produce though? Why not just sell your stocks at their inflated prices and walk away? A lot of the t2 stuff hasn't actually risen in price as a result of the exploit or those that have are already beginning to settle back down. Sell your goods before the price drops back down and you are left with a very heavy debt (30% per 20 days?) and stocks returning 20% profit margins on purchase price. Why go to all the effort of t2 production, invention or purchasing of bpcs when you can offload your stocks for 10x less work and similar financial gain?
Ubermensch Purifier	Posted - 2008.12.28 03:17:00 - [21] I cannot prove, but I suspect this is a scam for the following reason: The exact text of the first post showed up in my eve mail inbox. Anytime an unsolicited email from a random shows up in my inbox like that, I scan it quickly then delete/block. The first few lines of the email are exactly what I remember... I'm guessing that the rest of the email is the same as well. I am suspicious of any such unsolicited spam in my inbox.
InSession Shuugouteki	Posted - 2008.12.28 03:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Ubermensch Purifier I cannot prove, but I suspect this is a scam for the following reason: The exact text of the first post showed up in my eve mail inbox. Anytime an unsolicited email from a random shows up in my inbox like that, I scan it quickly then delete/block. The first few lines of the email are exactly what I remember... I'm guessing that the rest of the email is the same as well. I am suspicious of any such unsolicited spam in my inbox. I remember getting a mail from that Santa Claus guy that sounded like the OP.
Kehmor Caldari Malevolent Emo Herders	Posted - 2008.12.28 13:04:00 - [23] Edited by: Kehmor on 28/12/2008 13:06:41 Originally by: Packtu'sa Aside from you being entirely incorrect (since when were materials the greatest cost in T2 production? Ever heard of invention?) Ever heards of BPOs? Despite the hate in this thread, I thank the investers so far. We have now reached the targetted amount, however will be accepting more investments over the next couple of days with the same returns offered. After this the project will be either closed or returns reduced. Before anyone says it, this isn't an "OMG JOIN NOW" post, merely what is going to happen. Thank you Regards, Kehmor - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
Amarr Citizen 155 Tleilex Developments Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2008.12.28 16:08:00 - [24] Originally by: B1G ONE Looks promising.. isk sent with more to come if legit. Soren?? Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Kehmor Caldari Malevolent Emo Herders	Posted - 2008.12.28 17:29:00 - [25] Due to a sudden (and unexpected ) increase in investment following my last post, this opportunity is now closed. I will post again when all the payments have been made. Thank you to all who put your trust in me, you will not regret it. To adress a concern earlier, only one person failed to invest in the correct format, and as I felt a bit bad for this one sod, I returned his isk. Regards, Kehmor - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
Packtu'sa Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp	Posted - 2008.12.28 17:55:00 - [26] So now you're not following through on your word? Interesting. If you classified any of this as "hate" then you are making it clear that you did not do the necessary research before asking for investments in this forum. This is also evidenced by your lack of an audit, your lack of transparency, and your attitude toward criticism. Nobody here really cares if you can get buddies to invest; we care about the viable offers which are brought to the public. Please, by all means, bring some quality offers, but know that this is not one thereof. Packtu'sa Founder/CEO, Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp (2bn @ 4.5%)
Amarr Citizen 155 Tleilex Developments Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2008.12.28 18:34:00 - [27] Edited by: Amarr Citizen 155 on 28/12/2008 18:34:17 What's the connection between kehmor and the 2 guys that posted in support of this investment? I know what it is.... http://www.eve-search.com is your friend. edit: fixed link Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.12.29 00:42:00 - [28] Edited by: Brock Nelson on 29/12/2008 00:43:50 Originally by: Kehmor Hi I'm Kehmor. I'm sure you have heard about the Moon mineral/complex reaction exploit uncovered by CCP recently. You have probably also heard that the value of this exploit has been estimated by CCP to atleast up to 3.5 trillion (!) With these major providers banned and off the market, the prices for reactions and T2 products will undoubtedly skyrocket over a fairly short term. As a matter of fact you can already see a 15% raise in ferrogel in the major trade hubs, and there is no doubt that T2 products will soon follow. I've been involved in trading and investments in EVE for over 2 years now, I might also mention that I work as an assistant account manager for a European retirement fund, and I have never before seen a better opportunity to make ISK, Now, our wallet just ain't big enough to do this on our own. We've invested more or less all we have but we want MORE to fully exploit this opportunity, because there is ALOT of isk to be made here. Therefore I hereby ask you to make an investment in our project. I offer very beneficial terms, and i guarantee you will get your money - with agreed interest - back, in agreed time. This is what i offer you: Loan us between 1mil - 600 mil, and you will get 10% - 30% interest depending on how long you will let us hold your money. 5 days - 10% 10 days - 20% 20 days - 30% Simply put the money into "Kehmor"'s account, and in the "reason box" write "moon chaos" followed by the number of days we may hold your isk for. For example: "moon chaos - 5" **Isk given in any format other than the one above will be considered a donation and will NOT be refunded. Sorry ** I do guarantee that you will get your money back with interest. I won't ask you to trust me, but at least try me out, with even the lowest amount, and you will get proof that I am being honest. Regards, Kehmor P.S. To the scam callers, don't invest. Thank you. From eve-search.com, please don't delete the original post. It makes you look like a scammer...oh wait... 10% for Returning Customers
Kehmor Caldari Malevolent Emo Herders	Posted - 2008.12.29 02:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Packtu'sa So now you're not following through on your word? Interesting. If you classified any of this as "hate" then you are making it clear that you did not do the necessary research before asking for investments in this forum. This is also evidenced by your lack of an audit, your lack of transparency, and your attitude toward criticism. Nobody here really cares if you can get buddies to invest; we care about the viable offers which are brought to the public. Please, by all means, bring some quality offers, but know that this is not one thereof. How am I not following through on my word? As for nobody really caring? Well it was requested by three prominent investers that I create a forum thread, so I did so. Therefore it would seem to me that the people who matter most (to me) did care. I appreciate your concern in regards to whether this is legit or not, but as it is now closed it is your concern no longer I guess. Keep up the good work mate, I'm sorry I don't live up to your expectations. Luckily I have credibility else-where. Fly Safe! Regards, Kehmor - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
Amarr Citizen 155 Tleilex Developments Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2008.12.29 02:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Kehmor How am I not following through on my word? As for nobody really caring? Well it was requested by three prominent investers that I create a forum thread, so I did so. Therefore it would seem to me that the people who matter most (to me) did care. I appreciate your concern in regards to whether this is legit or not, but as it is now closed it is your concern no longer I guess. Keep up the good work mate, I'm sorry I don't live up to your expectations. Luckily I have credibility else-where. Fly Safe! Regards, Kehmor Who are your 3 investors? Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.

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