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small chimp
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Posted - 2008.12.28 16:01:00 -
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i hate other traders who keep pushing the prices knowing that i will still undercut them by 0.01isk
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.12.28 16:08:00 -
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I hate chimps.
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Stardust CEO
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.12.28 17:01:00 -
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I love hate lamp!
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Amaandia
Third Return Inc.
Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2008.12.28 17:18:00 -
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 Originally by: small chimp
i hate other traders who keep pushing the prices knowing that i will still undercut them by 0.01isk
When people do it you are left awith a choice of either loose a bunch of profit by adjusting your orders or buying up their stock to manipulate the price into what you want it to be.
Consider doing the latter if the profits you are losing outweighs what it costs to buy up their stock. However keep in mind that this can also allow them to get a foothold on your market share.
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Stardust CEO
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.12.28 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Amaandia
When people do it you are left awith a choice of either loose a bunch of profit by adjusting your orders or buying up their stock to manipulate the price into what you want it to be.
Consider doing the latter if the profits you are losing outweighs what it costs to buy up their stock. However keep in mind that this can also allow them to get a foothold on your market share.
Since we're giving out legitimate answers to this ridiculous post, allow me to offer this little gem which I rarely hear mentioned: If you think they may just be trying to sell quickly, wait them out.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.12.28 18:58:00 -
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lamp is the next best thing to wamp.
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Mohram
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.28 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Stardust CEO
I love hate lamp!
I love desk.
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dr doooo
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Posted - 2008.12.28 20:03:00 -
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I would also like to add my .01c in relation to a self important and obviously uniquely groundbreaking opinion regarding one of the 6 available strategies (disregarding sub catagory 2.a subsection 1b - 'market manipulation franchises') available in the Eve markets........: Buy High and sell with a headache.... (Now SHhhhhhhhhhh.)
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Amaandia
Third Return Inc.
Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2008.12.28 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Stardust CEO
Originally by: Amaandia
When people do it you are left awith a choice of either loose a bunch of profit by adjusting your orders or buying up their stock to manipulate the price into what you want it to be.
Consider doing the latter if the profits you are losing outweighs what it costs to buy up their stock. However keep in mind that this can also allow them to get a foothold on your market share.
Since we're giving out legitimate answers to this ridiculous post, allow me to offer this little gem which I rarely hear mentioned: If you think they may just be trying to sell quickly, wait them out.
The question gets asked on a daily basis, so why not answer it for a change.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.28 21:37:00 -
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I believe in the principle that if I can't have a market opportunity, then you can't have it either. Depends how much time I have for market fun and games.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.29 00:12:00 -
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I love waffles |
Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.29 00:15:00 -
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I love constructive post
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Ivar Strahm
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Posted - 2008.12.29 00:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ivar Strahm on 29/12/2008 00:19:32
Originally by: Stardust CEO
[snip]...wait them out.
This. Seriously. When someone is outbidding/undercutting you, wait an hour before adjusting your price again. They will almost always go away.
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nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.29 18:20:00 -
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This is why I think mining is more fun than trading: babysitting orders. lol
Anyway yeah just wait an hour or two. The guy will either be sold out or will be offline/doing something else.
I love...Boats and Hos?
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Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
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Posted - 2008.12.29 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Amaandia
Originally by: Stardust CEO
Originally by: Amaandia
When people do it you are left awith a choice of either loose a bunch of profit by adjusting your orders or buying up their stock to manipulate the price into what you want it to be.
Consider doing the latter if the profits you are losing outweighs what it costs to buy up their stock. However keep in mind that this can also allow them to get a foothold on your market share.
Since we're giving out legitimate answers to this ridiculous post, allow me to offer this little gem which I rarely hear mentioned: If you think they may just be trying to sell quickly, wait them out.
The question gets asked on a daily basis, so why not answer it for a change.
What damn question?
From OP
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i hate other traders who keep pushing the prices knowing that i will still undercut them by 0.01isk
Clue... get one.
AND IT'S LOSE, LOSER!
Originally by: Frenden Dax
My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
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Posted - 2008.12.29 19:15:00 -
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Yeah... I'm tense.
Originally by: Frenden Dax
My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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Xabier
Amarr
THE SORORITY
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Posted - 2008.12.29 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: small chimp
i hate other traders who keep pushing the prices knowing that i will still undercut them by 0.01isk
Try getting out of Jita?
On a serious note, if you get under cut by 0.01 isk, just increase your prices by 20% and keep putting up single unit sell orders midway between the buy/sell prices, idiots then undercut you, you then put another unit up midway between buy and sell price and rinse repeat, when they get low enough buy out there entire stock, delete your silly 1 unit orders and reprice everything back at inflated price.
Xabiers Capital Bond #1/2 (FINISHED)
Xabiers Capital Bond #3/4
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Sidi elDarfel
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Posted - 2008.12.29 21:11:00 -
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I hate pants!!!
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720
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Posted - 2008.12.29 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Xabier
On a serious note, if you get under cut by 0.01 isk, just increase your prices by 20% and keep putting up single unit sell orders midway between the buy/sell prices, idiots then undercut you, you then put another unit up midway between buy and sell price and rinse repeat, when they get low enough buy out there entire stock, delete your silly 1 unit orders and reprice everything back at inflated price.
SHHHHH!!!
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
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Posted - 2008.12.29 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
lamp is the next best thing to wamp.
If you need a graphical interface to manage something as simple as a Web server, it's time you go read Neal Stephenson. And if you don't need a graphical interface, why are you wasting the processing cycles on it? Not to mention paying the licensing fees, which, even if they're somehow "free" for you now, wouldn't be by the time you grew your application out to a dozen load-balanced servers.
There's no good reason to use Windows in a server environment in 99% of situations.
MP
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Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral compressionexpansion! WTF? |
ouroboros trading
Gallente
Medics On Fire
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Posted - 2008.12.29 23:53:00 -
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*insert vet trader rant about moving MD back to the bottom of the forums and how they are somehow relevant to eve*
491542? That's Numberwang! |
nether void
Caldari
Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.29 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Ray McCormack
lamp is the next best thing to wamp.
If you need a graphical interface to manage something as simple as a Web server, it's time you go read Neal Stephenson. And if you don't need a graphical interface, why are you wasting the processing cycles on it? Not to mention paying the licensing fees, which, even if they're somehow "free" for you now, wouldn't be by the time you grew your application out to a dozen load-balanced servers.
There's no good reason to use Windows in a server environment in 99% of situations.
MP
Nobody needs a GUI. Everybody wants a GUI.
Nobody needs a car. Everybody wants a car.
Nobody needs electricity. Everybody wants electricity.
Yes those are magnitudes of difference, but the point is that at some point everything besides food and shelter has started as a want and turned into a need. There's no reason not to have a GUI. Process time is cheap. Employee time is not. If you can have 1 employee do the same work as 2 employees by putting GUIs on your management tools or in front of your management processes, you should.
Also, I like Windows everything systems over Windows and Unix based hybrids because then I have an unbroken chain of native interoperability and also a smaller supply chain.
If you need to utilize non-windows servers due to performance need, then I would say that's not 99% of server environments. (I would say this is the case with Oracle - Don't use it unless you plan to have a super-massive database - Oracle does not interface as well with Microsoft products [most clients run Windows - Duh here], is harder to manage, and has some odd licensing issues, IME) Many server environments operate under much smaller magnitudes of scale, so in those cases Windows is a good solution, mainly where it concerns smaller Client-Server solutions, like analyst operations or a few other smaller scale ops we have where I work. These smaller operations govern very important processes and business needs but only have a handful of users and actual server performance.
IME, it is much easier to source and design a smaller scale Client-Server solution using all Microsoft products than it is to patch together a whole bunch of Unix equivalents.
Of course your and my opinions come from two very different contexts, so there's bound to be differing opinions.
/wayofftopic Woops!
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Cayleu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.30 00:10:00 -
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I am one of those people who ignore the .01 game and cut a big chunk off the price hoping you dont follow me. You are interested in maximum profit no matter how long it takes, but I am Wal-Mart. I know what my costs are so I wont sell at a loss, but I'm interested in volume and moving stuff fast. (presuming its not a gigantic item worth > 100M or something) In the long run, I figure I'll make more money selling my 500 items at a small margin than your 50 items at a higher margin.
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
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Posted - 2008.12.30 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: nether void
<stuff>
The problem is, by hiding it behind a GUI, your administration is:
1) Harder to automate,
2) Harder to scale,
3) Harder to document,
and 4) Harder to generalize
than my equivalent administration from the command line. Additionally, by setting the bar lower for your systems administrators, you end up penny-rich and pound-poor. You might pay your administrators 10% less than I do, but mine accomplish the same amount of work in 75% of the time because of the advantages I listed above.
Originally by: nether void
IME, it is much easier to source and design a smaller scale Client-Server solution using all Microsoft products than it is to patch together a whole bunch of Unix equivalents.
Of course your and my opinions come from two very different contexts, so there's bound to be differing opinions.
/wayofftopic Woops!
A client-server operation is going to be different than the majority of modern large-scale server deployments. Almost everything that I'm seeing deployed in the datacenter in which I work right now has is there to serve requests from one of the following three sources:
- a Web browser (by far the most prevalent),
- a SIP appliance, or
- other servers (NNTP, mail, DBMS)
MP
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