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Arrogant Bias
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Posted - 2008.12.28 19:26:00 -
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Yesterday I wanted to show some of my friends the combat in EVE. I was in a 1.0 sec system, and looked for a 0.8 sec system to warp to (I thought I could just go to an asteroid belt and do a quick hunt for pirates). Unfortunately, when I jumped through the stargate, I found myself in a 0.8 sec GALLANTE system. Considering I kill Gallente for my missions (being a Caldari), the Gallante opened fire on my BC that I've been tricking out for the last month...and down it went.
Basically, I'd like to know how to avoid this situation from occurring again. I knew I was warping into a 'high sec' system, but I had NO idea that it was controlled by the Gallente, and I would lose my ship. How do others deal with it? Do you really check every system you go to on the galaxy map before warping? I didn't even think I was near the fringes of Caldari space (I was in Niyabainen, I think, which is only 1 jump from Jita, and only a couple of jumps from major Caldari home bases).
Any help would be much, much appreciated :)
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Rajah Cudlar
Federation Scrap Dealers
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Posted - 2008.12.28 20:31:00 -
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2 suggestions come to mind. Use Ombey's excellent maps to learn the region(s) that you play in. Check out http://www.ombeve.co.uk/. Second, learn to use the F11 map, the one that pops up on the side of your screen. It's a good tool that many players ignore.
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indianaminer
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Posted - 2008.12.28 20:36:00 -
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First off its your job to know where your at in space. Your Caldari and you kill gallente. Why would you not think that if you entered Gallente space you wouldnt be shot at? If you didnt know there areas of space controled by various factions Gallente and Caldari are but two of them. Also its your job as a player to keep an eye on your faction standing your neg in your standing with gallente you need to expect to be killed with you head into there space.
Indianaminer
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spyor
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Posted - 2008.12.28 20:40:00 -
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You know those nasty social skills you dont train....
Start to train em! do diplomacy
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr
101st Space Marine Force
The Leathernecks
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Posted - 2008.12.28 21:19:00 -
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Your map tool gives you the ability to set an avoidance list.
set the entry points to gallente space as avoidance systems, and make sure that you have autopilot set to avoid systems on your avoidance list.
Of course, that only helps with setting autopilot routes. If you just warp to the nearest gate and jump through, you can still screw yourself.
But yes. I'm constantly looking at the map so I know where I am in the scheme of things, both en-route and when I arrive at the destination. I'm also use it heavily to determine the best systems to mission in. Preferably .5 with no neighboring low sec systems. If you do it often enough, eventually, you will start forming a mini-map in your head. In the long run it's worth it. There's no substitute for situational awareness in this game.
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chatgris
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Posted - 2008.12.28 21:19:00 -
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1) Stop shooting at the gallente, reject those missions
2) Train diplomacy until your gallente standing is > -2.0
3) Find gallente agents, do their missions until you have gallente standing up
In the future, switch between running missions for caldari and gallente (keeping your standings balanced for both). Never accept kill empire faction missions, and high sec will remain your playground.
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Kurull Skullsplitter
Minmatar
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.28 21:23:00 -
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You can set colors on the starmap to show you region boundaries. That seems to me the best choice if using a map feature in the game.
Also set the system your going to jump to as Destination if your doing multiple jumps or a Waypoint (using the right click menu on the gate) for single system jumps. This will show you written information on your screen about your destination and next starsystem to jump to. |
Drevilia
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Posted - 2008.12.28 23:14:00 -
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 Originally by: indianaminer
First off its your job to know where your at in space. Your Caldari and you kill gallente. Why would you not think that if you entered Gallente space you wouldnt be shot at? If you didnt know there areas of space controled by various factions Gallente and Caldari are but two of them. Also its your job as a player to keep an eye on your faction standing your neg in your standing with gallente you need to expect to be killed with you head into there space.
Indianaminer
This is the most annoying behavior on the forums. People who just squawk "you should have known better." STFU. The point of the post is that there isn't a tool that notifies you the same way it does when you enter a 0.4 system. By your argument, the system shouldn't warn you about that either, right? I can extend on your argument that the HUD shouldn't show you how much shield and armor you have left either- you should figure it all out in your head from your stats and what weapons are being fired at you, right?
If you have nothing to add, don't post. It's a waste of bandwidth, and annoys the rest of us.
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr
101st Space Marine Force
The Leathernecks
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Posted - 2008.12.29 00:53:00 -
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Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 29/12/2008 00:54:53
Originally by: Drevilia
This is the most annoying behavior on the forums. People who just squawk "you should have known better." STFU. The point of the post is that there isn't a tool that notifies you the same way it does when you enter a 0.4 system. By your argument, the system shouldn't warn you about that either, right? I can extend on your argument that the HUD shouldn't show you how much shield and armor you have left either- you should figure it all out in your head from your stats and what weapons are being fired at you, right?
If you have nothing to add, don't post. It's a waste of bandwidth, and annoys the rest of us.
Learn to make proper allusions. If you aren't a child anymore, stop crying for mommy to hold your hand. If anything is annying, it's the pathetic people that expect other people to babysit them.
The .4 warning is to let you know that if you enter that system, you MAY be podded. As usual, you can lose your ship in any system if you are not paying attention to what you are doing. If players needed a warning that they could lose their ship, there would be a pop-up box every time time we undock.
Going into gallente space when you are KOS only loses your ship, so it does not deserve a special warning. Losing a ship should be no big deal to anyone that follows the prime maximum of EVE.
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thesonarnet
Gallente
0ccam's Razor
UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.29 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Drevilia
This is the most annoying behavior on the forums. People who just squawk "you should have known better." STFU. The point of the post is that there isn't a tool that notifies you the same way it does when you enter a 0.4 system. By your argument, the system shouldn't warn you about that either, right? I can extend on your argument that the HUD shouldn't show you how much shield and armor you have left either- you should figure it all out in your head from your stats and what weapons are being fired at you, right?
If you have nothing to add, don't post. It's a waste of bandwidth, and annoys the rest of us.
agree
One thing I can suggest is that you put some of the border systems on your avoidance map. It doesn't help if your destination is in hostile space but prevents the autopilot from routing you through it for the shortest way.
But after a while of being in the same region, you will learn the names and remember the dangerous zones without the map automatically.
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.12.29 17:53:00 -
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I highly highly recommend ombeve.co.uk.
You should really know the regions you operate in like the back of your hand.
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Pwett
Founder
<Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Mikal Drey
Minmatar
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.29 18:07:00 -
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hey hey
Yes I really know my home systems and know the destination owners.
once you drop faction standings you need to up your game a little and try to figure out who owns what.
tips :
on the system list you can see region and constellation jumps so you can use this to determine if your jumping to a new soverignty.
gates. if you look at the gates you can often tell when your jumping to a new territory. the new gates will take a little getting used to but you can tell by the look of the gate
Ombey ftw.
also when you jump you will get a message notification about enemy of the federation etc (note : NOTIFICATION AND WARNING MESSGE ! !) its hard to read at times if your not paying attention but if your blinky blinky or -5 faction then you really need to up your game a little.
DONT EVER DOCK in a hostile system. I recently docked my transport ship in amarr space and it almost popped wheni undocked and tried to warp out. I used a small trick to get out alive :)
BTW (not a flame) but how did you loose the ship ? they dont scram and you could have easily made the gate if you turned around. or even managed to warp to zero to the next gate. If you have pimped it out then you should have beenable to tank :/
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Arrogant Bias
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Posted - 2008.12.29 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey
hey hey
BTW (not a flame) but how did you loose the ship ? they dont scram and you could have easily made the gate if you turned around. or even managed to warp to zero to the next gate. If you have pimped it out then you should have beenable to tank :/
I was 13 km from the gate when I jumped in; as soon as the warning message came up I was webbed. By the time I realized what was going on, I tried to realign and jump anywhere...but I just got pounded into the ground.
I'll definitely try that map tool out, thanks. As for not going into Gallente space...I really didn't do any background checks because I never had a need to do them before. I just simply jumped into a system, and I found myself in the hands of some angry Gallente. I will keep an eye out from now on, though...
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.12.29 22:44:00 -
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Just take it as a learning experience.
It's like the time you forget you're blinky blinky and set autopilot through hi-sec :)
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Pwett
Founder
<Q> QUANT Hegemony
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lucifers widow
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Posted - 2008.12.30 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Iria Ahrens
Learn to make proper allusions. If you aren't a child anymore, stop crying for mommy to hold your hand. If anything is annying, it's the pathetic people that expect other people to babysit them.
The .4 warning is to let you know that if you enter that system, you MAY be podded.
Dumb ass argument right there, you can be podded in empire as well, nowhere are you immune from it.
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr
101st Space Marine Force
The Leathernecks
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Posted - 2008.12.30 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 30/12/2008 13:09:23
The conditions are totally different. PVP in highsec is not random. It's all calculated.
Don't get hung up on a technicality.
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Miss KillSome
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.30 14:32:00 -
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i made same mistakes few times and i am in game since 2004 :)
AFAIK, there is no warning about that. I warped into caldari space few times and was in gallente milita :) Luckily i was in fast ships everytime, faction police does not scram u..
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Sierra Lima
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Posted - 2008.12.30 15:40:00 -
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If you look at the map and right-click on the region names, you're able to avoid entire regions, not just the entry points. Half a dozen right clicks should stop you ever blundering into Gallente space ever again.
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Aeryl Firebrand
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Posted - 2008.12.30 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Miss KillSome
i made same mistakes few times and i am in game since 2004 :)
AFAIK, there is no warning about that. I warped into caldari space few times and was in gallente milita :) Luckily i was in fast ships everytime, faction police does not scram u..
It took 17 posts for someone to figure out this guy joined the Militia. Well done.
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Xarkon
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Posted - 2009.01.02 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Drevilia
This is the most annoying behavior on the forums. People who just squawk "you should have known better." STFU. The point of the post is that there isn't a tool that notifies you the same way it does when you enter a 0.4 system. By your argument, the system shouldn't warn you about that either, right? I can extend on your argument that the HUD shouldn't show you how much shield and armor you have left either- you should figure it all out in your head from your stats and what weapons are being fired at you, right?
If you have nothing to add, don't post. It's a waste of bandwidth, and annoys the rest of us.
Yes, there is a tool. Its known as your brain. Figure out where it is, figure out what it does, figure out how to use it. If this game it too brain intensive for some, then you need to go back to playing Minesweeper.
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BlindBleu
Gallente
Sirrius Cybernetics
SIRRIUS.
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Posted - 2009.01.03 02:26:00 -
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As one who recently discovered my pilots rating in Amarr Space is -5.42.
I was able to rapidly jump to 0 for each gate thru Amarr Empire. Once or twice my shields got tapped but nothing my ship could not tank. I also had 3 WCS's in my lows because I had some low secs to run thru.
I took my Itty thru the same Amarr Space again with 3 WCS's in my lows. My Itty never even got fired on.
I am still puzzled how you got warp jammed. I never saw any attempts to jam my warp.
Every Plan lasts until the first shot is fired.
"I have a Plan, a good one." Generally means it is not.
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Jax Diggs
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Posted - 2009.01.03 03:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jax Diggs on 03/01/2009 03:42:12
Hey. at least you didn't pull the same trick twice! I actually did, because the particular mission I was on was sending me after a particular Gallente convoy that had a battleship in it, blah blah blah, whatever, and I just assumed that I got killed by the mission rats. I tried it once, then I had my (much more experienced) friend watch me to see what I was doing wrong. I'd never seen him laugh so hard. Anyway, the easiest thing to do, if you're hanging around in Nyabianen is to just stay out of Ilyen-oustra (or whatever that particular system is)....it's the only hi-sec/hi-sec gal/caldari border I've found (and no, I don't get out much). If you want to start moving around though, change your auto-pilot settings, and ombey's maps are awesome. Also, (shameless plug for my favorite EVE utility program) EVE-HQ comes with a route planner for those longer trips. It'll show system sov, sec status, etc, and all sorts of other info. It's pretty sweet.
Edit: I speel reel gud
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Dede Dumdedum
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.03 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Arrogant Bias
Yesterday I wanted to show some of my friends the combat in EVE... ...
sorry for your loss but this made me chuckle..
'hey guys check out this cool game.. you can warp thru space, jump thru gates, and .. get pwned by faction navy' 
the look on your face must have been priceless.. they sign up ?
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blackwalt
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Posted - 2009.01.03 17:31:00 -
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hey bais
sorry about your ship, but i glad you posted , i say this because i learned something new that i didnt know about ( ie that you can set warning to let you know if your headed thought a gate into trouble) . its a hard lesson to learn but now you and others have learned from it . now i must go check im standing with gallante becuase ive been hunting them alot lately, anyway fly safe
later blackwalt
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