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Roymundo Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.12.29 00:45:00 - [1] hi guys. i've seen on the forums that most people earn their cash by everything bar hauling. is hauling a viable source of income, as compared missioning or mining, and if yes, is there a guide to it somewhere? cheers lads.
knifee Caldari Euphoria Released	Posted - 2008.12.29 00:54:00 - [2] Well there are courier contracts that you can accept for isk, maybe have a look at those. How well they pay i have no idea. Also there is a fairly common scam/mistake where the courier mission ends in a 0.0 station that you can reach or dock at. Means that you cant complete it and have to lose your collateral.
Ashen Angel Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.12.29 01:07:00 - [3] It is possible with courier contracts from players and courier missions from npcs Another option many take is to hook up with a group of miners and haul for them (allowing for a more efficient mining operation... and prevent ore theft as well)
Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force The Leathernecks	Posted - 2008.12.29 03:16:00 - [4] Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 29/12/2008 03:16:56 inter-station trading, as opposed to intra-station trading probably has the biggest profit:calender day ratio of all forms of trade. intrastation trading has by far the best profit:setup ratio. In other words. An intra-station trader can earn big profits for only 5-20 minutes of effort, with periodic checks to make sure the product is still priced strategically. The market risk is higher, transit risk is nonexistant. An inter-station trader can earn much bigger profits per day--by playing a larger margin--but travel and research take much longer. The greater margins reduce market risk, but being in an essentially powerless ship has a much higher transit risk. If the inter-station trader is new and simply filling buy/sell orders, there is also a risk of someone else beating you. Although some intra-station traders refuse to even dabble in other forms of trade out of a misguided sence of elitism, most traders use a variety of trading techniques. For example. Someone that primarily does intra-station trading might still jump in a shuttle and check the prices in an other region and set up a buy order there. when the order is filled. Instead of hauling it, the intra-station trader will instead make a contract for someone else to move the goods. Likewise, there is nothing stopping an inter-station trader from setting up their own buy and sell orders at key locations instead of buying and selling at market. An inter-station trader might use contracts to consolidate a region-wide order then do one big load, rather than many small ones. An inter-station trader might also use contracts to avoid dead-heading. -- Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.29 04:49:00 - [5] You can do little odd jobs for your alliance-mates or corp-mates, like ferry things to and from 0.0. That might be worth something. I wouldn't want to make a career out of just hauling. Maybe trading (which involves hauling) though. ............. Now recruiting like-minded pilots.
Drahreg	Posted - 2008.12.29 17:13:00 - [6] Edited by: Drahreg on 29/12/2008 17:15:24 Originally by: Roymundo is hauling a viable source of income, as compared missioning or mining, and if yes, is there a guide to it somewhere? Forget it. After I bought a Providence I was looking for some large transports to get back my investment. No chance to that. The risk on transports that really pay is far too high. You can make a lot more ISK ratting and salvaging in 0.5 sec with a destroyer. Dont forget that you have to pay a collateral when you accept the contract. If you lose the cargo millions are gone. For really profitable contracts you will often have to pay several hundred millions.
Grista	Posted - 2008.12.30 06:23:00 - [7] Edited by: Grista on 30/12/2008 06:24:52 If you have high enough standings, you can run hauling missions for various npc corps. This has been a source of steady income for many empire (and 0.0) based mains and alts for a long time. Getting standing up to do level 4s goes a lot faster if you do it with combat missions, though. edit: http://eveinfo.com/ has a mission database, but I don't know if it's up to date.
Cyprus Black Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.12.30 07:10:00 - [8] You know? I've been looking at all the courier contracts in the region and they all have something in common. Almost all of them require very large deposits and all of them don't reward diddly squat. One in particular seems a bit skewed: Reward: 30,000 Isk Collateral: 72.5 million Isk (47,834 m3 cargo) 7 Jumps Granted, none of those jumps go through low sec, but the reward just seems so disproportional to the amount of work and collateral required. And almost all of the courier contracts look just like this one. WTH? ______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Grista	Posted - 2008.12.30 07:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Cyprus Black You know? I've been looking at all the courier contracts in the region and they all have something in common. Almost all of them require very large deposits and all of them don't reward diddly squat. One in particular seems a bit skewed: Reward: 30,000 Isk Collateral: 72.5 million Isk (47,834 m3 cargo) 7 Jumps Granted, none of those jumps go through low sec, but the reward just seems so disproportional to the amount of work and collateral required. And almost all of the courier contracts look just like this one. WTH? historically, 95% of courier contracts are scams and/or worthless for the time and effort
Ishihiro tanaka Amarr Association of Freelance Agentrunner	Posted - 2008.12.30 07:31:00 - [10] It's a courier mission scam. If you accept these kind of courier missions, be prepared to get suicide ganked in empire. Basically, they want you to pay the 72M collateral, blow you up as they will be monitoring their contracts to see who took the bait and when they blow you up, you're no longer able to complete the mission and therefore they keep the collateral to themselves. Your wallet has just been skimmed 72M isk! .. ... .... .. .... .. .-. --- - .- -. .- -.- .- A bullet, Laser beam or Plasma charge may have your name on it..... A Smartbomb or Shrapnel is adressed "To whom it may concern"...

Tanith Darkstar	Posted - 2008.12.30 13:28:00 - [11] Another way the scam works is locked stations in null space
Mithos Victus Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2008.12.30 14:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Cyprus Black You know? I've been looking at all the courier contracts in the region and they all have something in common. Almost all of them require very large deposits and all of them don't reward diddly squat. One in particular seems a bit skewed: Reward: 30,000 Isk Collateral: 72.5 million Isk (47,834 m3 cargo) 7 Jumps Granted, none of those jumps go through low sec, but the reward just seems so disproportional to the amount of work and collateral required. And almost all of the courier contracts look just like this one. WTH? That's because there's always someone who has no qualms with doing said contract at said price. Some people fail to realize that the time to money ratio means they are spending hundreds of hours of their life for what amounts to pocket lint ingame. _______________________________________________ [...a lion lurking in the plain]
Cyno Sid	Posted - 2008.12.31 12:08:00 - [13] The example given Reward: 30,000 Isk Collateral: 72.5 million Isk (47,834 m3 cargo) 7 Jumps Isn't a scam, its someone who has no idea of how to set up a contract. If you look at the amount it would require a Freighter or an Orca to move it. How many BS's would it take to destroy a freighter in highsec, dozens, so is the loss of 2 or 3 dozen Bs's worth 72m back, no chance. There are good hauling jobs and bad ones on contracts. You pointed out a bad one. Don't do it is the answer. The good ones go quickly. Yes, you can make isk from hauling but you need to be fast to grab the good contracts. Certain Regions will offer better contracts than others as there is more stuff being moved around. Stay away from hauling to 00 unless its for your own Corp Alliance as you certainly wont make it and if you do you may find the station has restricted access. And yes, the collateral is often expensive as is the stuff you are moving, so some isk in the bank before you take up hauling is essential
Diedra Kellin Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.12.31 12:36:00 - [14] Also, like many careers in EvE, hauling requires some research. Get to know who puts up good contracts and when they typically go up. Be prepared with collateral money and grab those contracts as they come on line. Then knock 'em out. Know where the stuff is going to/coming from. Even legitimate contracts may have you haul to/from low-sec. It can be done, but you'd better do your intel/scouting first to make it worthwhile. (Ombeve's maps on-line or the Strat Maps are a Godsend for this.) Finally, get to know the person behind those steady contracts. You may be able to cut a better deal or get a private contract relationship going if you build trust, which is always a challenge in EvE. Fly safe.
Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force The Leathernecks	Posted - 2009.01.01 10:07:00 - [15] Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 01/01/2009 10:07:29 Originally by: Grista historically, 95% of courier contracts are scams and/or worthless for the time and effort Not my experience at all. courier contracts are fine for when the origin and destination are along whatever route you were following anyway, and you had the room to spare. Then they are worth it. But yes, most contracts not are worth going out of your way for. Also, A contract for a POS isn't a scam so much as a contract for someone else. It's possible to limit a contract to corp, but not alliance. Of course, if a non-allied character picks up the contract for a POS they can't enter, then it's the player's fault, it doesn't make the contract a scam. And if you are worried about someone monitoring a contract. Go to the origin, accept the contract. Log out for a while, and hours later, log back in. Take a backroute instead of the direct route. -- Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
Locin WeEda Gallente Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2009.01.01 11:03:00 - [16] If you have an alt, there is yet another way to complete a contract without anyone being able to follow you. It does require paranoia V though :) Accept the contract with your alt. Do an exchange contract to your hauler with the courier package in it. Haul the package to the destination. Contract the item back to your alt (that accepted the contract in the first place), and complete the contract. You do not have to be in the same station to complete the contract, the package just have to be in the correct hangar. Red Frog Freight Service
Irulan S'Dijana Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.01 14:19:00 - [17] For the record I make courier contracts to move my stuff. A typical contract from me is: 1,000m3 Collateral: 200mil Reward: 5mil Jumps: 15 or so, all high sec. These tend to be completed within 24 hours, 48 on the outside. - Nobody gets rich in this business. You simply obtain new levels of relative poverty.
Evil Oreo	Posted - 2009.01.02 04:09:00 - [18] Back in my early days of enterprising, I made a good bit of isk buying various trade goods from one station and moving them to another...NPCs (and sometimes players) have pretty profitible buy/sell orders that can be exploited... There was an EXCELLENT tool called eve-trader..in fact, it is still around: http://evetrader.sourceforge.net/ this thing paved the streets with ISK for me when i was a wee nooblet armed only with a hoarder..hehehe
Polysynchronicity Amarr MEK Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.02 08:24:00 - [19] Edited by: Polysynchronicity on 02/01/2009 08:24:19 Originally by: Evil Oreo Back in my early days of enterprising, I made a good bit of isk buying various trade goods from one station and moving them to another...NPCs (and sometimes players) have pretty profitible buy/sell orders that can be exploited... This was nerfed when major alliances exploited it. By jumping freighters full of them through a Titan's jump portal, if I recall correctly. Profits from NPC trading are very low now. From what I've seen, hauling courier contracts is also a lot of work for not much profit. If you've got some brains, though, you can make a LOT of ISK by simply hauling stuff from where it's cheap to where it's expensive. Look around on the market some, compare prices from different regions, then start buying, hauling, and selling. ;) ----------


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